Corruption

Is there some in game mechanic that prevents a corrupted player to just be killed by his own group twice to clear the corruption and then be traded his items back?

If there is nothing that prevents this - then when a corrupted player dies there should be chance for some of the items to disappear. Like you kill corrupted player and you get 3 of his items, and 1 of his items is destroyed.

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Andi

Yeah, EVE-Online had this mechanic for a reason, and it worked great.

Ludullu

Heightened gear decay is pretty much exactly that. Item repair will require mats. If you PKed someone while wearing good gear and then had your friends kill you (especially several times) - your good gear will have to be repaired from huge decay, which means that you'll have to get materials that might've summed up to a full piece of gear.

Also, if you have enough corruption that one death doesn't clear it all - you'll respawn in a random place rather than at the nearest point, so your friends won't be able to immediately find you.

And I definitely hope that clerics can't rez Red players, and I'll give feedback towards that if they can.

Noaani

As NiKr said above.

The corruption isn't actually the penalty. The penalty is the increased death penalties you get if you are killed while corrupt.

If you are killed while corrupt, you gain 4 times the normal death penalties - which means 8 times the death penalties of someone that is a combatant. The experience debt from this (which is a penalty to combat efficacy and mob drop rate), along with the repair cost of your gear - that is the real penalty.

So, if your friends kill you, all they are doing is deciding which of the death penalties you are going to have to deal with. If you are then grouping with those friends, the assumption I would make is that this group is now suffering at least some of that lower drop rate that your experience debt is causing, so it is now a penalty for the whole group.

Githal

Well as long as there are mechanics in place to prevent your group clearing your corruption - then it should be fine. Doesnt really matter the way this is handled as long as this is not something a corrupted player would do.

Andi

Ultima Online had Buc's Den for red characters. No normal NPC would deal with them, and instead call the guards. In Ashes, the NPCs happily deal with corrupted players, so it doesn't even really matter. Make it past the guards somehow and you're fine.

There's a lot that has to be worked on and fixed to make this work.

Ludullu

Andi wrote: »

Ultima Online had Buc's Den for red characters. No normal NPC would deal with them, and instead call the guards. In Ashes, the NPCs happily deal with corrupted players, so it doesn't even really matter. Make it past the guards somehow and you're fine.

There's a lot that has to be worked on and fixed to make this work.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
Player to player trading, interacting with vendors or NPCs, and the ability to access storage is disabled for corrupted players.[34][8][35]

One of these godforsaken days people will start READING THE GOD DAMN WIKI

Andi

Ludullu wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Ultima Online had Buc's Den for red characters. No normal NPC would deal with them, and instead call the guards. In Ashes, the NPCs happily deal with corrupted players, so it doesn't even really matter. Make it past the guards somehow and you're fine.

There's a lot that has to be worked on and fixed to make this work.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
Player to player trading, interacting with vendors or NPCs, and the ability to access storage is disabled for corrupted players.[34][8][35]

One of these godforsaken days people will start READING THE GOD DAMN WIKI

One of these godforsaken days people will start SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GAME RIGHT NOW.

daveywavey

Andi wrote: »

Ludullu wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Ultima Online had Buc's Den for red characters. No normal NPC would deal with them, and instead call the guards. In Ashes, the NPCs happily deal with corrupted players, so it doesn't even really matter. Make it past the guards somehow and you're fine.

There's a lot that has to be worked on and fixed to make this work.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
Player to player trading, interacting with vendors or NPCs, and the ability to access storage is disabled for corrupted players.[34][8][35]

One of these godforsaken days people will start READING THE GOD DAMN WIKI

One of these godforsaken days people will start SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GAME RIGHT NOW.

If only it was in very early Alpha and didn't have all of its intended systems fleshed out, yet.

Oh, wait...

Andi

daveywavey wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Ludullu wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Ultima Online had Buc's Den for red characters. No normal NPC would deal with them, and instead call the guards. In Ashes, the NPCs happily deal with corrupted players, so it doesn't even really matter. Make it past the guards somehow and you're fine.

There's a lot that has to be worked on and fixed to make this work.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
Player to player trading, interacting with vendors or NPCs, and the ability to access storage is disabled for corrupted players.[34][8][35]

One of these godforsaken days people will start READING THE GOD DAMN WIKI

One of these godforsaken days people will start SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GAME RIGHT NOW.

If only it was in very early Alpha and didn't have all of its intended systems fleshed out, yet.

Oh, wait...

Yeah, if only it was in Alpha. We could report bugs.
Oh wait...
We don't do that.
We rather complain on Reddit about it.

hleV

This is why nobody's gonna PK in good gear, even with friends around. The griefing will be planned (NOT prevented), and there will be no spontaneous one-off PKing (I consider spontaneous rare PKs healthy for the game). It's terrible.

Githal

hleV wrote: »

This is why nobody's gonna PK in good gear, even with friends around. The griefing will be planned, and there will be no spontaneous one-off PKing. It's terrible.

its not that easy. If you swap your gear to some mid class items before you PK,
First - you may lose the fight, Second - After this until you clear your corruption you will be stuck with using those items. So now your whole group may die in a group vs group fight when the friends of the one you pk-ed come and fight you coz some of your group players are using weak items.

Depraved

Andi wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Ludullu wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Ultima Online had Buc's Den for red characters. No normal NPC would deal with them, and instead call the guards. In Ashes, the NPCs happily deal with corrupted players, so it doesn't even really matter. Make it past the guards somehow and you're fine.

There's a lot that has to be worked on and fixed to make this work.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
Player to player trading, interacting with vendors or NPCs, and the ability to access storage is disabled for corrupted players.[34][8][35]

One of these godforsaken days people will start READING THE GOD DAMN WIKI

One of these godforsaken days people will start SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GAME RIGHT NOW.

If only it was in very early Alpha and didn't have all of its intended systems fleshed out, yet.

Oh, wait...

Yeah, if only it was in Alpha. We could report bugs.
Oh wait...
We don't do that.
We rather complain on Reddit about it.

its not even a bug, they said the current system is a placeholder for how its gonna work

Gosh_of_war

Please fix corruption it feels so bad losing 3 pieces of gear I've gone corrupted twice now both times not intentional. The last time I went corrupted game froze it took me 5 trys to get into the game sure enough I was an ash pile.

Arya_Yeshe

@Githal how about this?

How about the possibility for the bounty hunter to send the corrupted to the gibbets?
Display the corrupted in cages in the public square, after maybe 15 minutes maybe open the cage and release all corrupted to be lynched by the local populace.

Let's say the corrupted is so corrupt that he will have to be killed multiple times to cleanse all the corruption, then after he gets caught by the bounty hunter then he will go to the gibbets and keep being lynched multiple times over and over until he is not corrupt anymore. Every 15 minutes he will be released lol

That would be fun and player driven content, different than letting the corrupted simply run away and pick flowers and maybe be killed by his guild members.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/54506/bounty-hunter-sends-corrupted-to-the-gibbets

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Maybe we could have a NPC by the gibbets, the jailer guy who will ring bell and yell to the town for everybody to come if there's corrupted players to be released so people could have a chance; if there are no corrupted the the npc is idle

This is a very happy system where you use real people as loot piñatas

Volgaris

Ludullu wrote: »

Andi wrote: »

Ultima Online had Buc's Den for red characters. No normal NPC would deal with them, and instead call the guards. In Ashes, the NPCs happily deal with corrupted players, so it doesn't even really matter. Make it past the guards somehow and you're fine.

There's a lot that has to be worked on and fixed to make this work.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
Player to player trading, interacting with vendors or NPCs, and the ability to access storage is disabled for corrupted players.[34][8][35]

One of these godforsaken days people will start READING THE GOD DAMN WIKI

I'm guilty of this, sometimes I couldn't find some info that was there and sometimes I just didn't look. But it's hard to look past all these flaws and ride on hope it'll be worked out right at launch. I've already decided not to participate in this "testing" because it's not fun and takes WAY too much time to do anything meaningful (grind is good for a game, bad for a test). Because of that it makes each one of these semi game breaking systems much worse. Because of the history of empty MMO dev promises I only judge it based off what I see, not what they say it'll become.

Pyrolol

You can’t kill a corrupted player in your party

MDS

what about forcing a debuff on the items equipped in their inventory for the player that gained corruption. regardless if they are traded or banked, then they are subject the the penalty.

or locking corrupt players gear so they cant unequip items or trade. something to lock in the penalty with the gear used to commit the crime.

s0b3it

Not sure if it's already a mechanic but corrupted players should be stopped by guards in towns and either forced to pay a hefty fee or killed. I think a few outlaw sanctuaries/towns could exist for players with corruption so they can still bank/trade etc. The more people you kill the longer the corruption lasts and this would limit your ability to visit major trading/player hubs etc.

Or player bounties could exist, where corrupt player receive a price on their head and can be hunted and handed in for rewards also.

Ludullu

s0b3it wrote: »

Not sure if it's already a mechanic but corrupted players should be stopped by guards in towns and either forced to pay a hefty fee or killed. I think a few outlaw sanctuaries/towns could exist for players with corruption so they can still bank/trade etc. The more people you kill the longer the corruption lasts and this would limit your ability to visit major trading/player hubs etc.

Or player bounties could exist, where corrupt player receive a price on their head and can be hunted and handed in for rewards also.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption#NPC_guards
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Bounty_hunters

Volgaris

Ludullu wrote: »

s0b3it wrote: »

Not sure if it's already a mechanic but corrupted players should be stopped by guards in towns and either forced to pay a hefty fee or killed. I think a few outlaw sanctuaries/towns could exist for players with corruption so they can still bank/trade etc. The more people you kill the longer the corruption lasts and this would limit your ability to visit major trading/player hubs etc.

Or player bounties could exist, where corrupt player receive a price on their head and can be hunted and handed in for rewards also.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption#NPC_guards
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Bounty_hunters

lmao. you should make the wiki part of your signature!

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