PvP only is brain dead and Asmon's video will turn thousands away

First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.

Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

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Sathrago

Heres a self crafted downvote.

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Seriously though. They need to add non-pvp to starter zones and towns. that fixes the asmon issue. if he walks out of those zones and still gets farmed hes an idiot for not getting his rabid fans to group with him and protect him.

Garrtok

Grimseethe wrote: »

First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.

Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

This game doesn't work without pvp. People should finally understand, that aoc works a bit different than classic MMOs

emrakul777

Garrtok wrote: »

Grimseethe wrote: »

First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.

Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

This game doesn't work without pvp. People should finally understand, that aoc works a bit different than classic MMOs

Based. Hope Devs will skip this crying weak peoples.

caldrin

This is a PVP game..

Many many pve mmos out there already so you can go play one of them.

Orym

"That no one wants".
False. Alot of people enjoy a system like this.
This is not a game for everyone.

"PvP servers only"
This game is PvX. This is not a pve game with flagging enabled. This is a PvX game with alot of systems that would not work in a "PvE server"

"Fix this"
They are probably gonna make the starter experience different than what it is now but not redo the entire philosophy of the game, no.

Crowigor

Let's be honest, Asmon is not an idiot and knew this would happen.
And there are no PvE servers in this game and there won't be. And this is the right approach.

Garrtok

Grimseethe wrote: »

First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.

Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

May I ask, why you bought an alpha key without knowing the core design of the game? Literally every other aspect of the game could change, but not this.

Grimseethe

Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

Uncommon Sense

Grimseethe wrote: »

Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

how can you suggest that your always proved right when you cant even make an educated purchasing decision, then express buyers remorse..

Followed by an expected forum post that many of us have seen all to many times. Demanding the game changes for something it cant be...

I'm not sure if you've noticed but Asmond is actually bad at games. So using him as a gaslight prop to bend the will of a game that is not designed for him and his crowd will not sway the development direction.

Go back to playing retail WoW...Your game already exists...

Garrtok

Grimseethe wrote: »

Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

It's pvx, not pvp only.
If you don't know what you're buying, you shouldnt ask to change it to something you would like. Feedback is important, but asking a pvx game to have no pvp component is a bit too much. Maybe that's the issue you have with kickstarter MMOs. First understand what they are and want to be.

RedLeader1

I don't think that AoC is going to do much for the really big streamers. It requires too much effort and it isn't going to be easy to cheese with the zerg. Watching someone farm grind for 10 hours isn't exactly gripping viewing. While he is putting in the hours grinding, he isn't going to be streaming and earning money.

Even I, who am more optimistic than most, admit we are talking about 18months to 2 years until live. If Asmon's review is going to influence anyone saying, "I reviewed this game 2 years ago, and it sucked", then we probably wouldn't have got them playing anyway.

It would have been better to get him in, if only to test how his followers most destructive behaviors could be delt with. Let's face it , if he could have got in, it could easily have been his supporters camping the spawn.

I find that PvPers gripe a lot when they get out-PvPed. That is why the only PvP games don't last. Once the top dog is established, everyone else is a care-bear, and the game is over.

Uncommon Sense

Zack (Asmondgold) will likely play it off stream...
Why there should be a dedicated streamer server is important however...as it will players at least an option as whether or not they want to participate in such content*

Look I understand Asmond has a zone of influence but he is not making the MMO...Steven is.

I have watched Asmonds content many times and enjoyed some of it and i can tell you his opinion/position has no impact on my intentions to play Ashes of Creation.

The fact of the matter is approaching Ashes of Creation as a catered for streamer platform will not pan out as long term viable MMO and just degenerate it into every other MMO currently on offer.

The ones who cry foul of there not being a PVE have had plenty of time (years) to understand this is a PVX MMO with mandatory player conflict systems required to make the world function.

The PVE only gamers who moan probably have no intention of playing the game anyway Or like you purchased an alpha test package without reading what you're actually supporting and feel short changed...

Zapatos80

Steven already said the PVP-safezone tech for the starter area is not implemented yet, but will be down the line.

mainedutch

PvE servers is braindead.

Kalnazzar

Grimseethe wrote: »

Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

Grimseethe wrote: »

First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.

Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

Oh no, not PvP in an MMO! Look, if you want a pure PvE experience, you’ve got options like World of Warcraft (or as we sometimes call it, World of Carebears) or Final Fantasy Online, both fantastic if you’re into story and crafting without any pesky PvP. Ashes of Creation is trying something different—a true PvX hybrid where PvE and PvP are connected to create a more dynamic world. Steven’s been pretty clear about this game’s design, and it’s not trying to be all things to all players. It’s okay if that’s not your thing; there are plenty of MMOs out there that are PvE-focused.

Now, I’ll agree that there should be safe zones for true beginners and a solid corruption system to handle any griefers, especially for the first few levels. After that? The training wheels come off, and that’s the thrill of Ashes. It’s designed to be challenging, and frankly, it’d be a missed opportunity if the PvE didn’t push players enough to prepare them for the world beyond those early zones.

So, if you're after easy mode, there’s plenty out there already. Ashes of Creation isn’t supposed to be ‘PvE-only,’ and that’s a big part of what sets it apart. Embrace the difference, or maybe stick to safer shores—Ashes isn’t trying to be just another game.

Grimseethe

Kalnazzar wrote: »

Grimseethe wrote: »

Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

Grimseethe wrote: »

First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.

Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

Oh no, not PvP in an MMO! Look, if you want a pure PvE experience, you’ve got options like World of Warcraft (or as we sometimes call it, World of Carebears) or Final Fantasy Online, both fantastic if you’re into story and crafting without any pesky PvP. Ashes of Creation is trying something different—a true PvX hybrid where PvE and PvP are connected to create a more dynamic world. Steven’s been pretty clear about this game’s design, and it’s not trying to be all things to all players. It’s okay if that’s not your thing; there are plenty of MMOs out there that are PvE-focused.

Now, I’ll agree that there should be safe zones for true beginners and a solid corruption system to handle any griefers, especially for the first few levels. After that? The training wheels come off, and that’s the thrill of Ashes. It’s designed to be challenging, and frankly, it’d be a missed opportunity if the PvE didn’t push players enough to prepare them for the world beyond those early zones.

So, if you're after easy mode, there’s plenty out there already. Ashes of Creation isn’t supposed to be ‘PvE-only,’ and that’s a big part of what sets it apart. Embrace the difference, or maybe stick to safer shores—Ashes isn’t trying to be just another game.

Nowhere did i say i didnt want any pvp.
Ganking takes no skill, ganking is easy mode.

Grimseethe

mainedutch wrote: »

PvE servers is braindead.

You wont be saying that when cowards gank you.

mainedutch

Grimseethe wrote: »

mainedutch wrote: »

PvE servers is braindead.

You wont be saying that when cowards gank you.

Already have and instead of crying about it, I fought them back. Corruption is extremely crippling so it was easy.

Plus, I'm smart enough to know that the system's not even near complete and it will change.

Kalnazzar

Grimseethe wrote: »

mainedutch wrote: »

PvE servers is braindead.

You wont be saying that when cowards gank you.

No what you said is you want PvP servers which is essentially killing PvP in a game that is extremely competitive for resources gathering resources. Giving PvE players no consequences because you removed the PVP aspect of the game completely destroys the fundamental aspects of it. Ganking will be addressed that’s not PvP but this game is about player driven conflict that means stopping people from farming areas were resources are scarce. Or destroying another node because it’s in your way of development.

MasterDeadly

Asmon knew he would be targeted but chose to go live - where people know his in game name, not smart. Secondly I think it’s mart to make first few levels of this game PvP free. I got killed as soon as I got in the game. I am okey with it, but others might not be.

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