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PvP only is brain dead and Asmon's video will turn thousands away

First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.


Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.
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  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 11
    Heres a self crafted downvote.


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    Seriously though. They need to add non-pvp to starter zones and towns. that fixes the asmon issue. if he walks out of those zones and still gets farmed hes an idiot for not getting his rabid fans to group with him and protect him.
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  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
    I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
    No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
    Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

    Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.


    Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.


    This game doesn't work without pvp. People should finally understand, that aoc works a bit different than classic MMOs
  • emrakul777emrakul777 Member, Alpha Two
    Garrtok wrote: »
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
    I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
    No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
    Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

    Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.


    Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.


    This game doesn't work without pvp. People should finally understand, that aoc works a bit different than classic MMOs

    Based. Hope Devs will skip this crying weak peoples.
  • caldrincaldrin Member, Alpha Two
    This is a PVP game..

    Many many pve mmos out there already so you can go play one of them.
  • OrymOrym Member, Alpha Two
    "That no one wants".
    False. Alot of people enjoy a system like this.
    This is not a game for everyone.

    "PvP servers only"
    This game is PvX. This is not a pve game with flagging enabled. This is a PvX game with alot of systems that would not work in a "PvE server"

    "Fix this"
    They are probably gonna make the starter experience different than what it is now but not redo the entire philosophy of the game, no.
  • CrowigorCrowigor Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Let's be honest, Asmon is not an idiot and knew this would happen.
    And there are no PvE servers in this game and there won't be. And this is the right approach.
  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 11
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
    I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
    No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
    Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

    Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.


    Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

    May I ask, why you bought an alpha key without knowing the core design of the game? Literally every other aspect of the game could change, but not this.
  • GrimseetheGrimseethe Member, Alpha Two
    Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
    Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
    Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

    how can you suggest that your always proved right when you cant even make an educated purchasing decision, then express buyers remorse..

    Followed by an expected forum post that many of us have seen all to many times. Demanding the game changes for something it cant be...

    I'm not sure if you've noticed but Asmond is actually bad at games. So using him as a gaslight prop to bend the will of a game that is not designed for him and his crowd will not sway the development direction.

    Go back to playing retail WoW...Your game already exists...
  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
    Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

    It's pvx, not pvp only.
    If you don't know what you're buying, you shouldnt ask to change it to something you would like. Feedback is important, but asking a pvx game to have no pvp component is a bit too much. Maybe that's the issue you have with kickstarter MMOs. First understand what they are and want to be.
  • RedLeader1RedLeader1 Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    I don't think that AoC is going to do much for the really big streamers. It requires too much effort and it isn't going to be easy to cheese with the zerg. Watching someone farm grind for 10 hours isn't exactly gripping viewing. While he is putting in the hours grinding, he isn't going to be streaming and earning money.

    Even I, who am more optimistic than most, admit we are talking about 18months to 2 years until live. If Asmon's review is going to influence anyone saying, "I reviewed this game 2 years ago, and it sucked", then we probably wouldn't have got them playing anyway.

    It would have been better to get him in, if only to test how his followers most destructive behaviors could be delt with. Let's face it , if he could have got in, it could easily have been his supporters camping the spawn.

    I find that PvPers gripe a lot when they get out-PvPed. That is why the only PvP games don't last. Once the top dog is established, everyone else is a care-bear, and the game is over.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    Zack (Asmondgold) will likely play it off stream...
    Why there should be a dedicated streamer server is important however...as it will players at least an option as whether or not they want to participate in such content*

    Look I understand Asmond has a zone of influence but he is not making the MMO...Steven is.

    I have watched Asmonds content many times and enjoyed some of it and i can tell you his opinion/position has no impact on my intentions to play Ashes of Creation.

    The fact of the matter is approaching Ashes of Creation as a catered for streamer platform will not pan out as long term viable MMO and just degenerate it into every other MMO currently on offer.

    The ones who cry foul of there not being a PVE have had plenty of time (years) to understand this is a PVX MMO with mandatory player conflict systems required to make the world function.

    The PVE only gamers who moan probably have no intention of playing the game anyway Or like you purchased an alpha test package without reading what you're actually supporting and feel short changed...




  • Zapatos80Zapatos80 Member, Alpha Two
    Steven already said the PVP-safezone tech for the starter area is not implemented yet, but will be down the line.
  • mainedutchmainedutch Member, Alpha Two
    PvE servers is braindead.
  • KalnazzarKalnazzar Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
    Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
    I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
    No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
    Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

    Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.


    Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

    Oh no, not PvP in an MMO! Look, if you want a pure PvE experience, you’ve got options like World of Warcraft (or as we sometimes call it, World of Carebears) or Final Fantasy Online, both fantastic if you’re into story and crafting without any pesky PvP. Ashes of Creation is trying something different—a true PvX hybrid where PvE and PvP are connected to create a more dynamic world. Steven’s been pretty clear about this game’s design, and it’s not trying to be all things to all players. It’s okay if that’s not your thing; there are plenty of MMOs out there that are PvE-focused.

    Now, I’ll agree that there should be safe zones for true beginners and a solid corruption system to handle any griefers, especially for the first few levels. After that? The training wheels come off, and that’s the thrill of Ashes. It’s designed to be challenging, and frankly, it’d be a missed opportunity if the PvE didn’t push players enough to prepare them for the world beyond those early zones.

    So, if you're after easy mode, there’s plenty out there already. Ashes of Creation isn’t supposed to be ‘PvE-only,’ and that’s a big part of what sets it apart. Embrace the difference, or maybe stick to safer shores—Ashes isn’t trying to be just another game.
  • GrimseetheGrimseethe Member, Alpha Two
    Kalnazzar wrote: »
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
    Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    First of all PvP servers only is really bad, PvE MMOs always do better, on every private server im part of, the PvE servers are always more popular.
    I know you have things in place to stop griefing but it wont work, if you're gamers you know the levels folk will go to in order to grief others.
    No one with honour ganks and thats all open world pvp is.
    Adding that you lose XP on death you have a system that no one wants.

    Asmon video of him being harrased straight out the gate, will turn thousands away, honesntly if i knew nothing about the game and didnt already put hundreds towards (I really need to stop doing that, pantheon rise of the fallen if DOA, im never trying it and now it seems like you will fail me also) If Asmon's video was my first introduction to Ashes id completely avoid it.


    Fix this or enjoy a DOA game.

    Oh no, not PvP in an MMO! Look, if you want a pure PvE experience, you’ve got options like World of Warcraft (or as we sometimes call it, World of Carebears) or Final Fantasy Online, both fantastic if you’re into story and crafting without any pesky PvP. Ashes of Creation is trying something different—a true PvX hybrid where PvE and PvP are connected to create a more dynamic world. Steven’s been pretty clear about this game’s design, and it’s not trying to be all things to all players. It’s okay if that’s not your thing; there are plenty of MMOs out there that are PvE-focused.

    Now, I’ll agree that there should be safe zones for true beginners and a solid corruption system to handle any griefers, especially for the first few levels. After that? The training wheels come off, and that’s the thrill of Ashes. It’s designed to be challenging, and frankly, it’d be a missed opportunity if the PvE didn’t push players enough to prepare them for the world beyond those early zones.

    So, if you're after easy mode, there’s plenty out there already. Ashes of Creation isn’t supposed to be ‘PvE-only,’ and that’s a big part of what sets it apart. Embrace the difference, or maybe stick to safer shores—Ashes isn’t trying to be just another game.

    Nowhere did i say i didnt want any pvp.
    Ganking takes no skill, ganking is easy mode.
  • GrimseetheGrimseethe Member, Alpha Two
    mainedutch wrote: »
    PvE servers is braindead.

    You wont be saying that when cowards gank you.
  • mainedutchmainedutch Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    mainedutch wrote: »
    PvE servers is braindead.

    You wont be saying that when cowards gank you.

    Already have and instead of crying about it, I fought them back. Corruption is extremely crippling so it was easy.

    Plus, I'm smart enough to know that the system's not even near complete and it will change.
  • KalnazzarKalnazzar Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    mainedutch wrote: »
    PvE servers is braindead.

    You wont be saying that when cowards gank you.

    No what you said is you want PvP servers which is essentially killing PvP in a game that is extremely competitive for resources gathering resources. Giving PvE players no consequences because you removed the PVP aspect of the game completely destroys the fundamental aspects of it. Ganking will be addressed that’s not PvP but this game is about player driven conflict that means stopping people from farming areas were resources are scarce. Or destroying another node because it’s in your way of development.
  • MasterDeadlyMasterDeadly Member, Alpha Two
    Asmon knew he would be targeted but chose to go live - where people know his in game name, not smart. Secondly I think it’s mart to make first few levels of this game PvP free. I got killed as soon as I got in the game. I am okey with it, but others might not be.
  • BlankRegBlankReg Member, Alpha Two
    Garrtok wrote: »
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
    Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

    It's pvx, not pvp only.
    If you don't know what you're buying, you shouldnt ask to change it to something you would like. Feedback is important, but asking a pvx game to have no pvp component is a bit too much. Maybe that's the issue you have with kickstarter MMOs. First understand what they are and want to be.

    It's PvX and I was noticing how many people are forgetting that. Steven was clear about the PvX nature of the game since the very start. It's an important difference from PvP and PvX.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    mainedutch wrote: »
    PvE servers is braindead.

    You wont be saying that when cowards gank you.

    If the cowards want to get account banned and loose everything along with the $15 subscription.
    There wont be anywhere to hide, Servers are persistent you cant just dip into another shard...

    If you actually took the time to learn the corruption system and follow the open development process while acknowledge this is an Alpha test. You'd stop making dumb uneducated quips trying to make a game something it isn't.

    You're essentially expressing your own ignorance at this point, in which case who's "braindead"
  • _Relic_Relic Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 12
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    Nowhere did i say i didnt want any pvp.
    Ganking takes no skill, ganking is easy mode.

    Then you'll be happy after you realize how the game systems work, and intend to work. It punishes griefing to a point that there is little to no point. The systems, node systems and caravans especially, are what encourage spontaneous small or large scale PvP.

    I haven't seen an MMO encourage that aspect since maybe sewers in Imperial City expansion of ESO, which was probably the peak of PvP for that game for me. Because it created spontaneous PvP, and you risked losing real gains - not like queueing into a BG, castle siege or something.

  • MorgalfMorgalf Member, Alpha Two
    Personally, I do not see the problem with PvE servers. However, I think Asmon's video is not such a big deal. Once you're out of the starter zone there is no longer an issue. People do not want to corrupt themselves once they get some gear. So it's a temporary issue. Furthermore, it was not that bad.
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  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    BlankReg wrote: »
    Garrtok wrote: »
    Grimseethe wrote: »
    Comments are what i espected...time always proves me right.
    Bought into the game long ago, didnt know it was pvp only back then.

    It's pvx, not pvp only.
    If you don't know what you're buying, you shouldnt ask to change it to something you would like. Feedback is important, but asking a pvx game to have no pvp component is a bit too much. Maybe that's the issue you have with kickstarter MMOs. First understand what they are and want to be.

    It's PvX and I was noticing how many people are forgetting that. Steven was clear about the PvX nature of the game since the very start. It's an important difference from PvP and PvX.

    That's what I wrote?
  • SathragoSathrago Member, Alpha Two
    what people keep forgetting is that when you sign up to play an open-world pvp game you are consenting to pvp. full stop. barring pvp-free zones like the starter zone and maybe towns (we will see). Players have an intrinsic right to attack you outside of those zones. So you played yourself if you wanted to go into the game and avoid pvp. Someone will eventually set you in their sights, be ready or be the poor sod giving away your hard work.

    Asmon knew the game would be like this. Its not his fault that the starter zone can be a gank box, thats on steven and co. But its absolutely on him for not even trying to get friends and fans to group with him for protection when he KNOWS theres a target on his back due to his streaming.
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  • GaidaxGaidax Member, Alpha Two
    I don't think the game is DoA or anything, but I would vote with both hands for having more PvE oriented ruleset realms alongside for PvP ones.

    I absolutely think not having a more PvE-oriented server option would be a big turnoff for that more casual playerbase core that carries MMOs.

    This game has a potential to be more than just yet another niche PvP MMO and it would be a shame to see it waste that by excluding what is usually the bulk of MMO playerbase.
  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    Gaidax wrote: »
    I don't think the game is DoA or anything, but I would vote with both hands for having more PvE oriented ruleset realms alongside for PvP ones.

    I absolutely think not having a more PvE-oriented server option would be a big turnoff for that more casual playerbase core that carries MMOs.

    This game has a potential to be more than just yet another niche PvP MMO and it would be a shame to see it waste that by excluding what is usually the bulk of MMO playerbase.

    The game doesn't work without pvp. Again.
  • KotterKotter Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    it's so true, like some have said, there's plenty of PvE games out there to play already.
    i think the AoC ruleset is a nice option to have.
    please don't ruin it for others.
  • VeeshanVeeshan Member, Alpha Two
    Sathrago wrote: »
    Heres a self crafted downvote.


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    Seriously though. They need to add non-pvp to starter zones and towns. that fixes the asmon issue. if he walks out of those zones and still gets farmed hes an idiot for not getting his rabid fans to group with him and protect him.

    which is intended just not realy top be put in game yet, i think i heard it be coming to next weekend test somewhere though
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