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An entire servers PVP was disabled for ONE STREAMER

PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
edited November 13 in General Discussion
This games Dev team says they wont give special treatment to a streamer. Then they shut the PVP down for thousands of other players because ONE PERSON GOT GANKED HOW IS THIS FAIR TREATMENT ?!?

ONE PERSON I.E. A STREAMER TURNED OFF A GAME FEATURE FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS BECAUSE HE GOT GANKED.. LET THAT SINK IN PEOPLE. DO YOU THINK THEY CARE ABOUT YOU ?

SOME PEOPLE PAID MULTIPLE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY YOUR GAME AND YOU CHANGED IT BECAUSE ONE PERSON GOT GANKED WHAT A JOKE... SHOWING YOUR TRUE COLORS ...

just like every other game Dev team only about streamers and the money that follows....
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  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    This one dev, is the boss of the entire company, and if one of the most influential streamers is checking the game of course they want to make a good impression.

  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    Garrtok wrote: »
    This one dev, is the boss of the entire company, and if one of the most influential streamers is checking the game of course they want to make a good impression.

    making a good impression on a streamer is more important then its player base who paid to play the game ? thousands of people paid to play the game and couldnt use a feature they PAID for. this shows you how much they dont give a crap about paying customers !

    Do you not see how little companies care about players? they care more about one streamer so much they took a feature away for a GOOD IMPRESSION ! YOU KNOW THAT 120 $ PEOPLE PAID TO PLAY THIS FEATURE A GAME SURROUNDING PVP ?!?! AND THEY TURN IT OFF FOR ONE GUY HAD ONE BAD IMPRESSION !!!
  • Its_MeIts_Me Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    This games Dev team says they wont give special treatment to a streamer. Then they shut the PVP down for thousands of other players because ONE PERSON GOT GANKED HOW IS THIS FAIR TREATMENT ?!?

    ONE PERSON I.E. A STREAMER TURNED OFF A GAME FEATURE FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS BECAUSE HE GOT GANKED.. LET THAT SINK IN PEOPLE. DO YOU THINK THEY CARE ABOUT YOU ?

    SOME PEOPLE PAID MULTIPLE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY YOUR GAME AND YOU CHANGED IT BECAUSE ONE PERSON GOT GANKED WHAT A JOKE... SHOWING YOUR TRUE COLORS ...

    just like every other game Dev team only about streamers and the money that follows....

    Can you explain what you are talking about for those of us not privy to the details? The only streamer issue I am aware of was with Asmongold and I am not aware of them shutting down pvp, just a couple callouts from the GM to stop griefing him? What system was shut down and for how long?
    SOME PEOPLE PAID MULTIPLE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY YOUR GAME AND YOU CHANGED IT BECAUSE ONE PERSON GOT GANKED WHAT A JOKE... SHOWING YOUR TRUE COLORS ...

    It seems you are attempting to trivialize this with the suggestion that one guy got ganked. There was stream sniping and announcements that asmongold was logging in prior to the login. People making characters with the name 'KOAsmon' for the purpose of griefing that were waiting at the log in/spawn in point that repeatedly attacked and killed him preventing him from ANY progression at all, this is not simple ganking, this is extreme griefing and kudos to Steven for banning. I would not have even given the 3 warnings Steven did.
  • KalnazzarKalnazzar Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two

    Garrtok wrote: »
    This one dev, is the boss of the entire company, and if one of the most influential streamers is checking the game of course they want to make a good impression.

    making a good impression on a streamer is more important then its player base who paid to play the game ? thousands of people paid to play the game and couldnt use a feature they PAID for. this shows you how much they dont give a crap about paying customers !

    Do you not see how little companies care about players? they care more about one streamer so much they took a feature away for a GOOD IMPRESSION ! YOU KNOW THAT 120 $ PEOPLE PAID TO PLAY THIS FEATURE A GAME SURROUNDING PVP ?!?! AND THEY TURN IT OFF FOR ONE GUY HAD ONE BAD IMPRESSION !!!

    You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what this Alpha testing phase is about. PvP is not the focus of this phase—it’s about server stability, progression systems, and archetype testing. If you didn’t know that, your ignorance is showing. The $120 you paid—or the $500 I paid—was to gain access to help test the game, not to treat it like a finished product or do whatever you want. Testing means following what the developers need feedback on, not indulging in random features they aren’t even focusing on yet.

    As for the starting zone suppression area, I personally think Intrepid waiting to implement it was a bad idea, and I’m not alone in that opinion. Many players agree that it should have been brought in sooner to avoid unnecessary issues. That said, your claim that this is all about 'special treatment' is completely off the mark.

    There’s a massive difference between meaningful PvP and griefing someone just to get on a stream with thousands of viewers or harass someone you don’t like. That kind of behavior doesn’t showcase the game—it tarnishes its reputation. If you don’t understand how harmful that could be for the game’s future, then you’re missing the bigger picture entirely.

    Finally, your caps lock ranting and entitled attitude just come off as childish. This Alpha isn’t about catering to your whims. It’s about creating a stable, polished game that will be worth playing when it’s finished. If you can’t grasp that, maybe testing isn’t for you.
  • GarrtokGarrtok Member, Alpha Two
    Garrtok wrote: »
    This one dev, is the boss of the entire company, and if one of the most influential streamers is checking the game of course they want to make a good impression.

    making a good impression on a streamer is more important then its player base who paid to play the game ? thousands of people paid to play the game and couldnt use a feature they PAID for. this shows you how much they dont give a crap about paying customers !

    Do you not see how little companies care about players? they care more about one streamer so much they took a feature away for a GOOD IMPRESSION ! YOU KNOW THAT 120 $ PEOPLE PAID TO PLAY THIS FEATURE A GAME SURROUNDING PVP ?!?! AND THEY TURN IT OFF FOR ONE GUY HAD ONE BAD IMPRESSION !!!

    You paid to test an unfinished alpha game. For an online game where gms can do anything temporarily. And of course making a good impression to a big streamer is important since it attracts more customers. Customers thst are hopefully more calm than you are.
  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
    you've done nothing but cope and make excuses for the game dev's. also the game is a PVX game in TESTING i think its important to TEST the X part to include all parts of the game to find flaws.

    talking to you is as if im speaking to a dev who is really angry and taking it personally. tbh it seems like you might be a fake account and really an angry dev.
  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two

    This game doesn't work without pvp. People should finally understand, that aoc works a bit different than classic MMOs
    in PvP only is brain dead and Asmon's video will turn thousands away Comment by Garrtok November 11

    Mabe it should turn thousands away huh ?
  • KalnazzarKalnazzar Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    you've done nothing but cope and make excuses for the game dev's. also the game is a PVX game in TESTING i think its important to TEST the X part to include all parts of the game to find flaws.

    talking to you is as if im speaking to a dev who is really angry and taking it personally. tbh it seems like you might be a fake account and really an angry dev.

    Your brain must not function, yes this a PvX game but what part of this is Phase 1 that doesn’t involve testing PvP mechanics/balancing or function in this phase of the test are you not understanding. Stop using it’s a PvX game as a way to try and justify being pissed off because “going to take a guess here” your someone who either was part of the group who was doing it and got banned or a friend of the party or your someone who wants to kill low level players to get your jolly off. People like this should not be testing because your not doing that your just playing to enjoy killing people in a system that’s not functioning properly yet.
  • cohrekcohrek Member, Alpha Two
    It's a bad look to say it is okay for the PirateSoftware guy to put someone on a kill-on-sight list so the thousands of players in his 40 guilds will grief players for his grudge. But if a popular streamer is targeted it is bannable. It is too early to tell if these big streamers will have a net positive or negative impact on the game. The publicity is unquestionably good. However, you can imagine people having to pay big streamer guild fees to participate in the game mechanics so they are not griefed being a huge turnoff. It kind of breaks the end-game loop if one guild alliance is so large that it can't realistically be challenged. In those situations, the losing side becomes demoralized and eventually stops showing up and the game dies.
  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
    cohrek wrote: »
    It's a bad look to say it is okay for the PirateSoftware guy to put someone on a kill-on-sight list so the thousands of players in his 40 guilds will grief players for his grudge. But if a popular streamer is targeted it is bannable.

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  • MorgalfMorgalf Member, Alpha Two
    The game is not even released yet. They are still working on the systems that would deter the griefers that were stopped. We paid for the opportunity to help develop the game in good faith, not take advantage of underdeveloped systems.
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  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    e “going to take a guess here” your someone who either was part of the group who was doing it and got banned or a friend of the party or your someone who wants to kill low level players to get your jolly off. People like this should not be testing because your not doing that your just playing to enjoy killing people in a system that’s not functioning properly yet.[/quote]

    Incorrect on all accounts. I simply enjoy PvP. NOT greifing i enjoy PVP one on one situations of even level. currently you cannot do this in any shape or form due to corruption. If not pointed out it will never changed and get worse. The PVE andies like yourself will ruin every game you get ur hands on in the name of social justice.
  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    Morgalf wrote: »
    The game is not even released yet. They are still working on the systems that would deter the griefers that were stopped. We paid for the opportunity to help develop the game in good faith, not take advantage of underdeveloped systems.

    I agree and during the testing an entire server was stopped from testing PVP because of one guy. imagine if this happened to every average Joe. Imagine if everytime u got ganked the server shut off PVP. the game would die before it was even done testing.
  • KalnazzarKalnazzar Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    Incorrect on all accounts. I simply enjoy PvP. NOT greifing i enjoy PVP one on one situations of even level. currently you cannot do this in any shape or form due to corruption. If not pointed out it will never changed and get worse. The PVE andies like yourself will ruin every game you get ur hands on in the name of social justice.
    . I’m all for open-world PvP—every post I’ve made has been in defense of it, especially when it comes to PvP for resources and territory. However, what you’re describing is not PvP in the way the developer has repeatedly emphasized. Steven has stated hundreds of times that Ashes of Creation is about fostering 'player conflict,' and it’s worth clarifying what that actually means.

    Player conflict stems from meaningful interactions like fighting over territory, competing for resources, forging alliances, engaging in betrayal, and dealing with the pursuit of wealth. That’s the essence of player-driven conflict in this MMORPG, not random, purposeless fights.
  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    [/quote But that was not PvP in anyway that the Developer himself has stated for 100s of times now


    it was not however in contrast when Pirate software called to kill someone on site and had thousands of followers greifing a group of people. Did u see the server shut down then ?!?!?

    Oh thats right it didnt shut down pvp for those people it just continued on normally see the how wrong that is ? one guy shuts down everything cause hes worth money. while average people who disagree with a streamer get wrecked with no recourse... can you not see the problem here ? I'm telling you we have a streamer culture problem and big companies who profit use them as a weapon for their own interest.
  • PresentPotatoPresentPotato Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    . Territory, Resources, Alliances, Betrayal, Money.[/quote]

    You know who cant enjoy those things or the game u just listed ?

    The group of people who pissed off a streamer. named piratesoftware

    You know who can enjoy those things?

    Asmongold cause he has money and power.
  • thunderfury2024thunderfury2024 Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    There’s a massive difference between meaningful PvP and griefing someone just to get on a stream with thousands of viewers or harass someone you don’t like. That kind of behavior doesn’t showcase the game—it tarnishes its reputation. If you don’t understand how harmful that could be for the game’s future, then you’re missing the bigger picture entirely.

    And that's exactly why only a few people like open PVP.
    Because in almost every game it's just used to annoy people.
    I think a lot of the systems in the game will end up not working as intended and will require massive changes
    Don't think it has a negative impact in the long run.
    The whole game is not really good advertising as it currently stands.
    But people will forget about it if it ends up being good.
  • NamilNamil Member, Alpha Two
    it was not however in contrast when Pirate software called to kill someone on site and had thousands of followers greifing a group of people. Did u see the server shut down then ?!?!?

    Since you're just reiterating another person's opinion, you should probably know the reason they called KOS on that person and guild is because they were meta-gaming by mass reporting PirateSoftware in an attempt to get his account actioned. In my opinion they deserve to have their access stripped rather than just being put on a hit list.

    You aren't owed any specific content, the only thing you're owed is access to the servers when they're available. This is an Alpha, people's characters are going to be wiped and anything that ultimately happens before release doesn't matter at all. Steven has been giving people free mounts and executing boss monsters in testing and they've been dropping items from what I've seen.

    Not to mention the most recent weekend testing period was extended into the monday. So, if you really feel so oppressed by this clearly life-altering inhibition of your right to PvP - they more than made up for that small period of PvP being turned off by giving you a whole 24 extra hours to play.

    If this happened after release, I would actually be on your side. But you just sound entitled.

    Attempting to save face to prevent 40,000 people from getting a bad impression of the game is worth disabling PvP for a short period of time.
  • thunderfury2024thunderfury2024 Member, Alpha Two
    Attempting to save face to prevent 40,000 people from getting a bad impression of the game is worth disabling PvP for a short period of time.

    Most people already get a bad impression of the game when they see the graphics, animations and interface.
    They may not even know that it's an early alpha. I think an unfinished PVP system will be the least of their problems.
  • NamilNamil Member, Alpha Two
    Attempting to save face to prevent 40,000 people from getting a bad impression of the game is worth disabling PvP for a short period of time.

    Most people already get a bad impression of the game when they see the graphics, animations and interface.
    They may not even know that it's an early alpha. I think an unfinished PVP system will be the least of their problems.

    That's your personal opinion if you think all of that is bad, I personally I think it's in a good place. Being camped right out of the gate is objectively bad, and there isn't really an argument for it. So yes, it will be a huge concern for a lot of people that aren't as interested in PvP and will set a bad impression for more PvE orientated players.
  • thunderfury2024thunderfury2024 Member, Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    That's your personal opinion if you think all of that is bad, I personally I think it's in a good place. Being camped right out of the gate is objectively bad, and there isn't really an argument for it. So yes, it will be a huge concern for a lot of people that aren't as interested in PvP and will set a bad impression for more PvE orientated players.

    Of course it's my personal opinion. But I've read it often enough in the Twitch chat.

    Of course Asmongold has an influence. But I wouldn't overestimate it. He's made enough videos about how bad WoW is now and yet the game is doing just fine.

    In my opinion, it's much worse to sell the game in its current state for 120 euros.

    It's not enough to say that it's a very early version and you shouldn't buy it if you're expecting a finished game.
    Many people just say “This is the MMO that is being sold for 120 euros”.

    I think it would have been much better to wait another year and then implement a much more finished version.
    There is a reason why no other game studio releases such early versions without a NDA.

    I think the fact that people were banned because of Asmongold also has a clearly negative impact. And I'm not saying I think the behavior of the people in question is good, quite the opposite.

    But it's not a good thing when streamers are given preferential treatment in public.
  • KalnazzarKalnazzar Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited November 13
    “Streamers given preferential treatment in public” I’m currently at work so my reply will be short but I have more to say on the subject but I’ll do so when I get home. So a guild of 300, 800, 50 even if they are all in discord talking and someone kills said player and he puts a KoA on this person or a guild and all there friends are told, and kill this guy or guild mercilessly is that player or guild privilege? No because it’s part of the game the guy attacked him while they were in his stream watching him play. So people shouldn’t have consequences for being fudge heads and killing the guy just because he is a streamer. Would have done the same with my guild, same thing would have happened if he was a streamer or not. Only thing being a streamer did was let the whole world watch the guy and his guild get roasted for a bad decision they made.
  • ShoklenShoklen Member, Alpha Two
    I happened to have been watching when this was playing out live. PvP can be fun but it was clear griefing was happening. Steven sent out warnings, and his own words, several warnings. They did not stop. So they turned it off. If children will not listen, then they have their toys taken away. Pretty simple really.
  • Its_MeIts_Me Member, Alpha Two
    Shoklen wrote: »
    I happened to have been watching when this was playing out live. PvP can be fun but it was clear griefing was happening. Steven sent out warnings, and his own words, several warnings. They did not stop. So they turned it off. If children will not listen, then they have their toys taken away. Pretty simple really.

    As you were also there, what systems were shut down and for how long or is this just propaganda?
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    This same kind of response happened around Alpha 1...

    Lots of tantrums

    Tantrums stopped after a few weeks...

    Silence

    Alpha 2

    Lots of tantrums...

    The whole Asmond situation was a massive oversight by Asmond and Intrepid...Systems that were ment to protect the new player experience was not in place...

    Now the damage control looks like favoritism...

    Mistakes were made, So all that can happen is Learn and improve...

  • RocketFarmerRocketFarmer Member, Alpha Two
    I think they will enforce punishment for targeted harassment of players when they have the evidence to do so. So while it’s possible to go after an individual player or a small group of players, care should be taken to avoid the appearance of targeted harassment. Kind of like the rules and then the spirit of the rules. Even if you follow rules as written, breaking the spirit of those rules can often be worse than actually breaking a rule.
  • Uncommon SenseUncommon Sense Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I would also like to mention that many streamers also tested the game did not experience the same thing as Asmond..

    The problem is not the game, the issue is Asmond's "fanbase" and the fact he wont be able to livestream playing it...Which pretty much happens to him whatever multiplayer game he plays...

    Intrepid should have known better...But now we all have to watch some fallout and damage control...Which is unfortunate
  • ElministerElminister Member, Alpha Two
    So you'd like it if someone was always there when you spawned in to kill you over and over and over? Regardless of what you say, I know as well as you know that you wouldn't like that. It's because it's not pvp, it's griefing for the sake of griefing.
  • CaerylCaeryl Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Honestly, don't bother replying to this child. They only have one mode: yelling and raging like someone sniped them in CoD
  • Flashfirez23Flashfirez23 Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    This is why streamers should all be forced to be on one dedicated server away from those who don’t want to deal with the issues they bring.
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