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Is taking too long to develop going to kill Ashes?
jimmyhoffa
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With ArcheAge Chronicles releasing in 2026, did Intrepid miss its opportunity?
If ArcheAge Chronicles is not pay to win is Ashes done?
With ArcheAge Chronicles releasing on both console and computer will the player base be so large that Ashes can't compete?
Will it have superior graphics to Ashes being on UE5 and them putting so much effort into graphics?
If ArcheAge Chronicles is not pay to win is Ashes done?
With ArcheAge Chronicles releasing on both console and computer will the player base be so large that Ashes can't compete?
Will it have superior graphics to Ashes being on UE5 and them putting so much effort into graphics?
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I lean towards no.
With ArcheAge Chronicles releasing in 2026, did Intrepid miss its opportunity?
TL is out already, and regardless of how you perceive 'success', if a large number of people who don't hate P2W are still interested in Ashes, it's probably not because they're desperately clamoring for Nodes. i.e. those people are here and not in TL for the same reasons they're mostly probably not going to flock straight to ArcheAge (I think TL is technically closer to Ashes than ArcheAge will be, too)
If ArcheAge Chronicles is not pay to win is Ashes done?
Subscription model? Otherwise there's basically no chance, it would end up being New World style. An MMORPG that has no Microtransactions is either going to constantly make you pay for expansions (probably fine) or have only minor content updates. Just the nature of the game type. Unless you're including Battle Pass/Cosmetics charges, the sustainability of the game type is challenging if your definition of "Pay To Win" is even slightly strict.
With ArcheAge Chronicles releasing on both console and computer will the player base be so large that Ashes can't compete?
Console audience does help a lot, but this isn't even a playerbase size 'issue'? If we're assuming that ArcheAge is incredibly attractive to most console players, it would probably be people that... played AA before on PC but prefer to play the next version on Console? I could see this, we console gamers do be gamin'... but no, I have around 20 years of data to tell you that this shouldn't be too big a deal relative to AA, because many of the bigger non-WoW MMORPGs are available on console. You'll find a lot of people who aren't used to console MMOs thinking this will be some sort of change, but this is really just 'how it's been since 2002'.
Will it have superior graphics to Ashes being on UE5 and them putting so much effort into graphics?
Yes. Not even taking 'style' into account, ofc a big studio will have better graphics than a smaller one. But better graphical potential only matters if your artistic direction works well with it, and a lot of players don't care about how well your god-rays bloom if artistic direction is good enough.
So, no doomsaying plz, there are many things that could 'kill Ashes', but 'the release of other MMOs that aren't too similar' (and apparently even one that is kinda similar) probably won't be it.
Will have to see how AA2's systems pan out, but the idea of instanced housing in AA2 is already a massive turn-off.
What I understand from the post is that some people wait for ArcheAge Chronicles and will go and play it.
But the title is about long development time.
Even if no other better mmo is released, player count goes down overtime.
What is pushing people away?
What is bringing them back?
What is keeping them in the game?
People want to try new games out and streamers sponsored to advertise them pull them away too.
Many are here now because they can afford paying and want to see something new.
They'll get bored once they explored everything and they know all the game mechanics.
There will be a core playing but how large will it be compared to other mmos?
This happens because there is a specific type of player that plays MMOs and lobby games purely for the social 'feel good response'.
Those are the players you will find in the world chat or forums of any game that does not retain 50% or higher of its playerbase, giving some equivalent of 'ded gaem? kek' as their main contribution.
Unfortunately I can tell you, not all of those people are trolling. In my experience, not even 'most of them'. Some people are just not as good at logic.
Devs handle it better now, since YoshiP basically paved the way. "Go play other games and come back."
So now MMORPG devs can focus on making a game that you 'want to log into but don't because there's nothing to do right then', or a game that 'is just comfortable to be in, and triggers nostalgia or has some slow things you can do'.
But those people I mentioned don't care about that, they care about 'wherever the biggest other group of people is'.
So when dealing with those players, the #1 thing you need to maintain to retain them is 'a large population'. If another game takes that from you, those people will 'declare your game to be dead' and then go around making sure 'everyone else knows that'. Because they are informing other people about what they value (and implying that other people should value it).
It does not matter to those people how much fun the thousands of players of Mortal Online II are having, it only matters that there are not 'enough people'.
I think Ashes' "Success" will be delayed a bit by the Development still taking the long time it needs -> but Failure ? N~aaahhh. It would have failed already when long Development Time would be a Game Killer.
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Running out of funds seems unlikely.
And then we will have to see what percentage fo the playerbase was looking for the next decent MMORPG and what percentage was looking for a modern L2/ArcheAge that's not P2W.