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Melodies dropping from CC is too punishing

norththemagenorththemage Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
edited March 17 in Bard Archetype
Currently, any incap, stun, trip, or knockback will cause a bard's melody to drop .In a game where CC is plentiful and a lot of pivotal spells are .5 seconds or less, being locked out of your class mechanic for 2 seconds constantly feels clunky.

I think recasting melodies should be about changing your buff and resonance- currently it feels overly punishing to have to recast your melody every time, especially with knockbacks and CC that lasts less than a second.

I have two suggestions that might help

1- Instead of the melody dropping, negate the effect of the aura while the bard is CC'd- groups wouldn't benefit from it when the bard is CC'd.

2- Melody only drops when the bard is stunned, tripped, or incapaciated for at least a few seconds, reducing frustration from "micro CC" and knockbacks.

Comments

  • Jetc17Jetc17 Member, Alpha Two
    Yeah I think it was pulling me out of the 20 second counterpoint buff as well so its especially punishing for anyone trying to weave.
  • SmileGurneySmileGurney Member, Alpha Two
    edited March 17
    It breaks Counterpoint, and that alone was the reason why I use the alternative. It also breaks bard's Resonance mechanics.

    Melody cast being interrupted by everything is one of my main frustrations as a bard player. Melodies should not be interrupted by anything, but death. Melody casting should be also FAR quicker, 2 seconds cast time is far too long in pvp.
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  • norththemagenorththemage Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited March 18
    I do think it's intentional, bard is strong and having a specific weakness to CC is fair when they have the mobility and utility that they do, however I don't think small knockbacks and microstuns are an interesting weakness.

    If it is intentional and this specific implementation stays, I think adding a sound effect for when melodies are broken could be a way to make it feel less frustrating
  • myaccforash2myaccforash2 Member, Alpha Two
    The interruption of melodies is what makes me want to change classes. It's not just giving away. It negates half the effort in mass pvp, and in solo pvp it turns the bard into a class that endlessly presses a melody.
  • SmileGurneySmileGurney Member, Alpha Two
    edited June 17
    Melodies breaking on CC effect puts bard at a massive disadvantage vs rogues, which are already a magic class killers. Technically a rogue can shut down your melody every 5 seconds. Recasting a melody takes 2 seconds (if not dazed), that means you have 3 seconds to attempt hitting your combo finisher. Thump with Advantage allows you to also Silence for 4 or 5 seconds....and then there is DoubleStrike.

    I'm sorry Bucky, but this makes very little sense in small scale.
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  • nanfoodlenanfoodle Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    SmileGurney wrote: »
    It breaks Counterpoint, and that alone was the reason why I use the alternative. It also breaks bard's Resonance mechanics.

    Melody cast being interrupted by everything is one of my main frustrations as a bard player. Melodies should not be interrupted by anything, but death. Melody casting should be also FAR quicker, 2 seconds cast time is far too long in pvp.

    This and anything else is not an option.
  • norththemagenorththemage Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    melodies being removed on CC is a key weakness to the class- classes should have key weaknesses that they try to hide imo. this is part of what sucks about dueling a rogue- no obvious weakness
  • WeGboredWeGbored Member, Alpha Two
    Could not agree more. I actually just had a conversation last week about rerolling because of how often I have to recast my melody. Its also incredibly hard to know when its actually on (at times) because of the buff bar being limited to 10.
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  • SmileGurneySmileGurney Member, Alpha Two
    yellowtwo wrote: »
    melodies being removed on CC is a key weakness to the class- classes should have key weaknesses that they try to hide imo. this is part of what sucks about dueling a rogue- no obvious weakness
    This isn't a key weakness, it literally breaks the class.
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  • myaccforash2myaccforash2 Member, Alpha Two
    They nerfed the bard's mobility and dps. But they absolutely didn't care that in pvp with a rogue you have to turn on the melody 10 times over. "THANK YOU"
  • SmileGurneySmileGurney Member, Alpha Two
    edited June 27
    myaccforash2 wrote: »
    They nerfed the bard's mobility and dps. But they absolutely didn't care that in pvp with a rogue you have to turn on the melody 10 times over. "THANK YOU"
    It was fairly obvious to me how painful this is going to be when they initially added the snake mobs which apply stunning poison on auto-attacks. Terrible design.
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    Blown past falling sands…
  • spacehousespacehouse Member, Alpha Two
    yellowtwo wrote: »
    melodies being removed on CC is a key weakness to the class- classes should have key weaknesses that they try to hide imo. this is part of what sucks about dueling a rogue- no obvious weakness


    The key weakness is all of bards damage is super committal. If you have to roll, heal, cc or anything during your long damage window, you either have to sacrifice the time spent already or take the hit. It’s a massive drawback of bard which is honestly something I really enjoy playing around.

    There’s too much cc in the game to have to spam your melody constantly. Its an anti-fun mech more than a weakness
  • IustinusShivaIustinusShiva Member, Alpha Two
    edited August 31
    SmileGurney wrote: »
    Melodies breaking on CC effect puts bard at a massive disadvantage vs rogues, which are already a magic class killers. Technically a rogue can shut down your melody every 5 seconds. Recasting a melody takes 2 seconds (if not dazed), that means you have 3 seconds to attempt hitting your combo finisher. Thump with Advantage allows you to also Silence for 4 or 5 seconds....and then there is DoubleStrike.

    I'm sorry Bucky, but this makes very little sense in small scale.

    Recasting melody is instant and doesn't prevent your other actions. The bar only matters for coutnerpoint and crescendo - you get the effect as soon as you hit the button and it doesn't block otehr actions. Start attacking right away.

    This does not negate the the annoyance of having to recast this for every cc - but it isn't so dire as to say it eats up your actions for 2 seconds. You just have to remember to press the button.
  • onewingedangelo1onewingedangelo1 Member, Alpha Two
    IustinusShiva wrote: »
    SmileGurney wrote: »
    Melodies breaking on CC effect puts bard at a massive disadvantage vs rogues, which are already a magic class killers. Technically a rogue can shut down your melody every 5 seconds. Recasting a melody takes 2 seconds (if not dazed), that means you have 3 seconds to attempt hitting your combo finisher. Thump with Advantage allows you to also Silence for 4 or 5 seconds....and then there is DoubleStrike.

    I'm sorry Bucky, but this makes very little sense in small scale.

    Recasting melody is instant and doesn't prevent your other actions. The bar only matters for coutnerpoint and crescendo - you get the effect as soon as you hit the button and it doesn't block otehr actions. Start attacking right away.

    This does not negate the the annoyance of having to recast this for every cc - but it isn't so dire as to say it eats up your actions for 2 seconds. You just have to remember to press the button.

    The problem is that the cast bar is currently bugged and even when your song is off, the action bar still appears as if it is on, and the cast bar still has it filled in the bugged stat as if it is on. The only way to tell that your Melody is off is if you noticed you got hit with a CC that broke it. Don't have 10 buffs so you can see the buff is not on your bar (which never happens as there are so many garbage buffs that clutter the bar), or you just click it to test if it is on or not.
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