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Please Delay P3
davenb
Member, Alpha Two
Im gonna be honest, the vast majority I've seen isn't hyped for P3 Launch and I know many people who dont even wanna play when its launched in August (spare me the its not a game its a test argument).
If you compare P2 to the current Phase 2.5 it was an overall step backwards it was downright terrible to play with the reduced gear drop the inability to craft and the gold inflation (which to some fault is due to the hacking/rmt). This is not a good thing you want people to engage with your game and ideally push the limit to get the best testing results. To clarify I'm not saying "this game sucks" or anything I'm saying that I think they should delay the next Phase further to give themself more time so they can launch with more features ready and especially the Summoner class. They teased a lot of great things in their last Livestream however they are most certainly not ready for a while if they launch into P3 (based on exerpience from the past so far) especially since they announced that Summoner is 2 Months away after Launch, which bummed a lot of people out myself included and makes people not wanna participate in P3 (I am undecieded).
So in the end I do hope that Intreped allows themself for a bit more time at the least til Summoner is ready, since everyone has access to PTR now we have a great testing ground in the meanwhile.
PS: Personally I want 1 Megaserver again it was quite fun to play with everyone across the Globe. (Sorry flat earthers)
If you compare P2 to the current Phase 2.5 it was an overall step backwards it was downright terrible to play with the reduced gear drop the inability to craft and the gold inflation (which to some fault is due to the hacking/rmt). This is not a good thing you want people to engage with your game and ideally push the limit to get the best testing results. To clarify I'm not saying "this game sucks" or anything I'm saying that I think they should delay the next Phase further to give themself more time so they can launch with more features ready and especially the Summoner class. They teased a lot of great things in their last Livestream however they are most certainly not ready for a while if they launch into P3 (based on exerpience from the past so far) especially since they announced that Summoner is 2 Months away after Launch, which bummed a lot of people out myself included and makes people not wanna participate in P3 (I am undecieded).
So in the end I do hope that Intreped allows themself for a bit more time at the least til Summoner is ready, since everyone has access to PTR now we have a great testing ground in the meanwhile.
PS: Personally I want 1 Megaserver again it was quite fun to play with everyone across the Globe. (Sorry flat earthers)
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So, while I agree with a request for delay, I doubt Intrepid can really afford that. They've had issues with being called a scam for years now. They've had multiple delays of multiple things (including this P3 already). If they delay it again, they'll get even more shit poured onto them.
They're in a lose-lose situation. They'll release an incomplete P3 and people will complain. They'll delay P3 - people will complain. I'd say that releasing it would still be marginally better, cause Intrepid would still have the crutch of "it's all an alpha" (no matter how trite that sounds by now), while a delay will just be met with scorn from even outside of the community and for the worst possible reasons.
The broader mmo community considers it a scam, due to how long it's taking. And any new delay is simply more ammo and "proof" for their claims.
And if they have too much of that proof by the time the game releases, all the newcomers will find on google is posts about the somewhat suspicious production of the game.
While releasing P3 "on time" would just upset some hardcore followers of the game, while still keeping them interested in the long run, exactly because all of those people already know that the game is not a scam.
This is not the game, you and your friends are not here to play.
This is a test.
If you do not wish to test right now, don't.
You are not supposed to be *hyped* about a test, because a test is not going to always be fun. It is not supposed to always be fun. If it were always fun, it would not be a test.
The reason the test should go ahead when Intrepid are ready for the test to go ahead is because Intrepid need the data they are intended on getting from the test.
You and your friends treating this test like a game and so not being hyped for it does not alter the fact that Intrepid need test data.
Burning out on an early stage test is nothing new. If you aren't wanting to test this time around, it is no great loss.
Take this one off.
there is much more to P3 than summoner
People seem to argue just because they like to argue
I mean, you are obviously welcome to think that, but keep in mind when you do that I am not the one looking at a test that exists in order to get the game in to an enjoyable state, realizing that I am not enjoying said tests, and asking that they be postponed until the game is in an enjoyable state.
You quite literally argue just to argue, which I don't even mind but at least bring up an actual point to what I said and not this "Its not for you to enjoy nonsense". Otherwise Good Luck on the next Post
That is a mischaractarisation of that statement.
I get in to discussions/debates with people to get results and change. Moreso change in peoples thinking than change in game design, but both have happened.
My point here can be reduced down to one simple notion: running a test in an MMORPG is expensive, if Intrepid are running a test it is because they see value in it. Why should your preference for Intrepid to wait for no good reason take precidence over the value Intrepid assume they will get out of the next test?
You state they should wait for the summoner -but why? It can be added to the test when it is ready. You make statements that things "aren't ready", yet this is a test and things aren't supposed to be ready.
Your arguments boil down to what you want to play, not what Intrepid want to test.
You should stop.
However, consider that this "launch" of "P3" is really just "Fresh servers" and "New Alpha testing Build".
Alpha testing is not a theme park, its a construction site. Right now, it IS about breaking things, stress testing systems, and giving real feedback while its still early enough to matter. If we wait for it to be "fun" then really, we are just polishing the floors while the roof's still leaking.
Delays = less data. Less data = more delays and worse game. Every test phase gives Intrepid valuable info, not just buggy stuffs, but player behaviour, balance, econ, etc etc. Pushing back testing because some people are bummed or upset about "its not fun enough" makes no sense from a game development perspective.
Real Testers are WAY better than Hype Tourists. Asking Intrepid to delay to bring in more "hyped" players only really then brings in waves of people who dip out the second things are not shiny and perfect. I'd rather Intrepid keep moving the train forward with dedicated testers who actually understand what an alpha test pre-release build is supposed to be. Intrepid, and this game, needs people to log in when its messy and broken and "not fun", when gear is scarce, when things dont work, when crafting is janky. This is when the best dev work happens, and when the data flows like spice.... And they dont need 10,000 testers, most of whom are here to "have fun" and start whining when things break (which they do, in alpha, and beta testing)
I understand what you are trying to ask for. I just think you are approaching it too much from the position of a Hype Tourist and not enough from a Real Tester.
I get in to discussions/debates with people to get results and change. Moreso change in peoples thinking than change in game design, but both have happened."
Yea no, you argue to argue, you dont even care for the context nor do you care for what Is even stated so again bring up an actual point or leave it at that.
"My point here can be reduced down to one simple notion: running a test in an MMORPG is expensive, if Intrepid are running a test it is because they see value in it. Why should your preference for Intrepid to wait for no good reason take precidence over the value Intrepid assume they will get out of the next test?"
Now who is mischaractarisation what I said, also your statement about costs makes no sense? Delaying a Phase does not mean delaying the overall testphase the "costs" remain the same/similar, what I said has nothing to do with them pouring more money into their project which Im gonna suspect you are not even familiar with? Granted there could be more servercosts due to more server workers needed to due high capacity of players, which I reckon is in their interest. There is also the PTR running which yes costs more money however that does not conflict with anything what I have said.
"You state they should wait for the summoner -but why? It can be added to the test when it is ready. You make statements that things "aren't ready", yet this is a test and things aren't supposed to be ready."
Now this is cherry picking, I said many features which granted I do not spelled out one by one, since I tried to keep myself short. I am not gonna reiterate myself as I already stated it however as I posted this in Discord and on Reddit as well you are welcome there to follow the discussion.
My "Argument" boils down to that I ask them to delay as I dont see them not being ready to start a new phase, if they are then great, I dont believe but obviously I cant see behind the curtain, saying that is ok allowing themself some time however is hardly controvercial and trying to dispute that is comically nonsense.
You should take your own advise and just stop.
Great feedback, Im gonna be honest "Alpha testing is not a themepark" and whatnot is just semantics but I agree although the point is not to wait til its "fun" its to where we have something actually to test, when a new Phase launches you have the most player densitity and my request is there to retain them in order to get more "testing done" I am sure you understand what I mean by that.
"Delay = less-data" I dont fully agree on, you have still the live server and the ptr where you potentially could do those tests, obviously those tests that needed a higher capacity could not be done, though I dont think they are in need to rush those. Just wanna to point out that it reinforces my argument.
"Real Testers are WAY better than Hype Tourists" This is where I dont agree on, any form of Tester is valuable in my eyes even the "tourist" it justs points out where and when people lose interests, though I understand what you mean and as Real tester I wanna keep people on the servers and not leaving immediatly which means features that roll out in the future doesnt get the attention that it could. Lets take dynamic lawless zones for example which comes at some point in P3 if the server died out like it does currently you dont have enough people to test the friction within those zones, just to give an example.
If I were to make the choice I would launch in P3 with the new Economy System in Place and the Nodes System functional with Vassal Nodes, Node Deaths and so on, also of course Summoner which people seem hung on, I tried using it as reference point but yea. Good Feedback
We already know there are economic changes to this next beta phase from what 2.5 had. We know that because 2.5 was essentially a surprise beta phase, and the econ team basically threw together something just to see how players would react.
Players reacted badly, they are aware of that. There was never any real intention for the 2.5 economy to be how things are with the live game - it was literally just a test to see how players would react. This is what testing is for.
However, the fact that there will be economic changes in phase three compared to 2.5 doesn't mean the economy will be "fixed", it will just be different.
While the summoner may not be ready there are plenty of other things that will be. There are fixes to the client, the server and the network that all need to be tested. There are changes to some classes, to some mobs, to some quests. There are improvements to the game world, to textures, lighting and probably a few minor adjustments to some aspects of player character models (i don't expect major changes here though).
These things all need to be tested. Delaying it for no good reason is not worth entertaining.
A3 won't have the character permanence players are expecting.
Whatever grind Andys think repeating the same boring grinding loops, contributed quite a bit to the general population burnout.
Blown past falling sands…
You mean what a whole lot of good points you cant contest in any way.
I agree with a delay if the economy features are not going to make it in. It seems strange to start a whole new phase and then later introduce a critical system like the economy. Now they could choose to just not wipe yet. That might could also work if they wipe when the new economy feature is added.
They claim to be buckling down to get everything ready. I would think that is a constant state, given how far behind the game is.
I rarely post on these forums anymore. The game is just taking so long to be made. The MMO forum I do use, does not even talk about this game anymore. I am concerned at whether or not this game is going to have the funding needed to reach the finish line. His company has a lot of overhead at the moment with 200+ employees, utilities, supplies and other line items. I used to think this game would release in 2026. Now I have pushed that back to 2027, or/and the game releases with less features.
I refuted to every time but it doesn't matter. I will give you one attempt.
Give me one reason why they should not consider a delay.
Possibly I just dont believe in it frankly, it would be great if I were wrong though. They could and Im certain they will do a wipe again though from the Dev. perspective I would try avoid that esp since P3 is the "Content Phase"
Because they have things to test.
None of your "reasons" trump that. None of then even warrant a second thought.
Absolutely without a doubt.
There is no world in which alpha test 3.0 is the last alpha test for this game.
LOL. nice one, that being said Im not gonna interact with you anymore.
You clearly seem too disconnected.