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I just want to preface this by saying that I've been following AoC for a long time and have played since Phase 1 of A3. I'm giving this feedback because I really want the game to succeed not because I just want to bash it.
How did the pace of leveling feel from level 0 to your highest level (too fast, too slow, or just right)? What made it feel that way?
0-6ish were extremely fast and questing made for a fun, explorative experience. 6-12 were a little more grindy but the pace was still pretty quick. We did notice our dps was really low towards the end and decided to craft gear as none of the mobs (minotaurs) dropped a single piece of gear the entire time we were there. 12-17 wasn't too bad with our new gear but it was definitely much more grindy. 17-20 though was an absolute slog because the crafted gear my 8-man spent 4+ hours making was useless at this point. By the time we realized how consistently the gear from Steelbloom dropped (post buff) we were too weak to contest any spot in there as the other groups had WAY better gear even though they were 3 or more levels lower and we spent hours crafting.
Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced? Why or why not?
Not even a little. Low level crafted gear is completely useless and high-level gear needs so many materials to make that they won't be viable for at least a month probably more like 2 months. We got a recipe that costs 355 Copper Ingots to make...And the worst part is that it gets completely outshined by gear drops from bosses
Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
Gold for crafting is extremely hard to come by early on and material drop rates from the PTR have been significantly reduced. Also, mobs that should drop gear just don't. I was level 20 with starting greys and empty slots after killing humanoids and a rotation of Carphin bosses for literally hours. After the buff to 1-19 gear drop rates, we didn't get a single piece of gear from a Carphin boss after literally ~75 kills. Only mats...
At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
Level 12. No gear drops and crafted gear might as well not exist.
What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
Satisfying: The combat feels great and you're excited to put a new skill point in every level
Frustrating: Everything else. No gear drops, low material drop rates, useless crafted gear.
Quick overview of my group's extremely frustrating experience: We planned to buy gear from vendors early which was removed days before Phase 3 launch, so we decided to kill minotaurs to get drops instead. Unfortunately, we didn't get a single piece of gear the entire time we were there. We then decided to craft gear and xp scrolls to help with the grind only to have the scrolls nerfed from 25% bonus to 4% bonus after hours of farming mats (not to mention the material drop rates were SIGNIFICANTLY reduced compared to PTR). Decided to push on in levels and craft more gear later only to have the 1-19 mob gear drop rate increased right after we had moved on from there but by the time we realized it everyone else was so geared we couldn't compete despite being 3 levels higher than other groups. Farmed bosses in Carphin for gear and levels but didn't get a single piece of gear after the drop changes despite being there for hours and killing ~75 bosses.
To be honest, I have literally no idea what you're doing, Intrepid. You want crafting to matter but the gear sucks compared to what drops. You want gear to matter but need hundreds of materials to craft anything worthwhile. You want crafting to matter but the nodes take so long to level up that no gear even close in power to mob drops can be made for months. You want crafting to matter but nerf things like xp scrolls and material drop rates. This feels like the worst phase of this game by far.
=> I liked having to make gear in the beginning. The other armor quest for the 3 piece green armor quest in the Riverlands is too easy and over-powered.
Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
=> YES! The limited bank space. Horrible bottleneck. I get not wanting to push players out to settlements, but 1 small slot is too limiting.
At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
=> Level 9 to 10. If you reversed the amount of experience needed to level from 9 -> 10 and 10 -> 11, then that will help.
- How did the pace of leveling feel from level 0 to your highest level (too fast, too slow, or just right)? What made it feel that way?
Stopped at level 7 (I think). Progression speed means nothing when the game simply looks, feels and runs bad. A video game have to hit at least 2 of them. To be clear, the game look fine when camera is zoomed in but let's be honest; we are not going to play the game zoomed in. Fix the visuals in such a way that what we look at looks good when the camera is zoomed out or in others words, when we are actually playing the game.- Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced? Why or why not?
No. The first 7 levels basically nothing dropped. The game relies on crafting systems to gear up players (it feels like) and the crafting system is not intuitive. Some better crafting tutorial quests might help in this aspect. Still, nothing drops.- Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
What quests? I ran out of them at level 7. Materials and the crafting bag tetris system feels bad. I keep asking "Why? What is the point?" to myself.- At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
Progression never felt fun. The game itself is not fun for a new mage. But beyond that, the game looks bad, it feels bad and it runs bad while playing it. For taking pictures when the camera is zoomed in, it is decent.Anyway, back to the question, I think the reason (of not being fun) is "feeling helpless" when playing a mage. The cooldowns do not let me control the battlefield, and I need to control the battlefield. I do not have the tankiness to render the game irrelevant. I need to kill monsters 1 by 1 even at early game (and it takes multiple spells to kill that 1 single trash mob), or ask someone else to tank/control the trash monsters at which point they just kill the mobs themselves and I just "exist". Existing is not enough for me. I wanna live.
Maybe I'm the problem. But I feel like, as a mage, I need to be able to do "something" during combat. That "thing" is missing in this class/game. There is occasional freeze and that is it. And hopefully someone hasn't frozen the monster before, so it is not immune. And this is early game, against trash mobs. If even the trash monsters are a danger to me, elite monsters are...
- What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
Being able to log in. Seeing the game is actually happening is the most satisfying part of the "progression" if that counts.Now, all that being said, I understand what is being done/developed here. It is a process and I did not give up. I'll keep playing when I'm done with other games. Ashes of Creation is simply not a priority video game for me, not even close, not yet. This is an Alpha build. I understand all that.
If you were to ask me "What would you have us do? What should we fix as a core?" I would list the things below, for the reasons I'll list below.
- I would have you focus on graphics in a way that the game looks good when the camera is zoomed out rather than zoomed in. Zoomed out graphics is what we perceive. I would ask this, perception, to be a "core element" so that game can be developed with this in mind rather than giving it couple of touches to make it just bearable. Obviously, I'll be playing the game zoomed out, most of us will. I understand the argument "finer details, so many polygons etc." I simply do not care about the finer details, most of which I will not perceive during gameplay anyway. So, they don't need to be there to needlessly tank my performance.
- I would have you focus on performance to make the game run at an "acceptable level for the visual quality I perceive". If it is acceptable (for the perceived quality) now, you could optimize to make it run "smooth" in later stages. Calling it "Alpha" and accepting bad performance as a core just to make it barely acceptable after optimizations is a bad idea. Just to be clear, currently, the perceived quality is bad, the perceived performance is bad and the game feels bad.
- I would have you work on the in-game map, the one we open to see what is where. It needs to be easier to read. It needs to be easier on the eye.
Video games used to look good years ago with even older hardware. Technology has undeniably progressed A LOT and yet... We now need to use upscaling technologies, frame generation and whatnot just to get 90+ fps eventaully for low or mediocre graphics quality. I think we are at a point where developers need to ask themselves a simple question; who do we serve? The hardware manufacturers or gamers. That way they will also have their answer to the question of "Who will play this game?".All in all, I feel like, you have fallen the same pit every other developer falls; "reality". All I care about is "what I perceive". This is a video game. Things do not have to be real quality. It is enough for things to create the perception of being quality. This might be confusing. If it is, please feel free to contact me. I'm not a shy guy, nor am I young. In fact, today is my birthday and now I'm a 40-year-old man who have been playing video games since the age of 5. Just like many of you, I also grow up in this "hell hole" And I intend to keep playing for another 30, 40, 50...
I did not organize this post properly. I just wanted to throw it in with the hopes of being helpful.
God speed people.
Honestly it felt slower than last time (level 9.3 atm). But that could be due to having almost no gear to start with in the beginning, not even the basic white ones from vendor were available.
Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced? Why or why not?
As I said above, gear and stats were huge bottlenecks to start out with.
Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
Yes, especially quests that were bugged. It made it extremely frustrating to find out that I couldn't finish the quest and get an "instant level" up sort of feel. Also as many people point it out, crafting stations are all scattered all over place which made it annoying to run around trying to process and craft gear.
While some of the resource spawns been reworked (ore/rocks and wood) and works well now, I couldn't say the same for flowers and hide. It took me way to long just to find some rare daffodil to use for my bow as they seem to be none existent on the map. Animal carcasses still seem to be stuck in the "rarity loop" just as before which is a huge turn off for many.
Another observation I had is that crafted gear progression, especially weapons seem to get exponentially harder as you progress to higher tier with some materials requiring to obtain 100+ of said material. I understand weapons, especially legendary weapons should be hard to come by but at this point it feels nearly impossible or very-very expensive to a point that its not even worth the cost.
At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
When I realized that weapons of higher rarity/quality going to be expensive to craft.
What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
Most satisfying was the ability to final able to craft gear higher than rare quality.
Most frustrating is the client being slow even with a fast internet speeds it wouldn't go above 4 mb/s.
The fact you can ask 3 days after the launch of an entire phase how did level 0 to the highest feel should give your answer. You wanted slow leveling but people can hit 25 in 2 days without much of a issue.
I mainly think this is due to how gear works in this game, as long as you're in a party of 8 you can somewhat completely skip the whole gearing up process in this game and just rely on the odd drops, it doesn't matter if you use a level 1-10 weapon against a level 25 it still does good enough damage to progress so there is no road block to speed level or hump to get over on harder content.
- Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced? Why or why not?
Still have only managed to craft 1 weapon and only by hitting basalt and granite in anvils getting lucky with ore drops, the time sink in this system far exceeds your level. I am nearly level 11 and have only managed to craft one level 0-9 weapon. so basically skipping an entire gear section. I am confused why this game doesnt have gear at any level so 7 for example and actually require level gear to do damage to enemies on level or slightly higher.
- Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
Crafting eats through any gold you make and the gold sink early on is insane again making crafting anything early nearly pointless, would be completely points if you could get a weapon to drop at low level from a mob. I have yet to see any gear drop from a single enemy.
- At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
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The moment I spawned into the world in anvils and completed the mount quest and realised there is 0 actual story line quests to do and just to grind the quest board or do endless running for crafting
What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
still the only satisfying part of this game is combat and classes, but this does not mean mindlessly grinding a pack of mobs until level 25 it needs story quests and engaging quest line to be entertaining, that actually feel rewarding an give you things to do, the game is way to craft/pvp focused and pve is just a chore to achieve the other 2 things
frustrating was the fact anvils is a scam spawn, impossible to travel around solo mobs everywhere and die. to many cliffs to walk around and get up, walk for 30mins between crafting outposts, half if not more of the quests bugged and mobs.
- •How did the pace of leveling feel from level 0 to your highest level (too fast, too slow, or just right)? What made it feel that way?
Im am lvl 11 and the pace feels really good. Not too slow or too fast.•Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced? Why or why not?
Gear: I am lvl 11 and the only item except the starting gear i got is one ring. I actually am kinda okay with that weirdly enough. The reason I am okay with it is that I have only been farming pocket dungeons to get loot. Was maybe a little too rare before the 29/8 update but it feels good now. Drops are so exiting once they drop its really fun this way. I am getting into crafting myself some gear and weapons atm at lvl 11 and that feels like a good pace to get gear aswell so it feels really nice actually. I could have done that earlier so thats why i am okay with only have gotten one ring.
Skills: Feels good, there are plenty of skills to choose and that have a big impact of gameplay and how much healing output i can have as cleric. The harder places you go the more healing abilities you need and those feel in line with eachother.
Stats: My stats are very low since i have not gotten any gear upgrades except the one ring. So my heals feels really low wich Im starting to feel like I really need to change and thats why I stared gathering for some gear upgrades. Otherwise continuing to keep lvling and not getting gear would become more and more difficult wich is expected.
•Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
Not getting gear from pocket dungeons felt like I needed to go do something else to fix that problem. Was getting too difficult otherwise. I have no problem with that, was a nice change of pace to go gather instead of farming pocket dungeons.
•At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
Before the drop rates buff gringing pocket dungeons felt a little grindy and boring since almost no drops at all. Felt like you are not progressing. I like rare drops but it was a little too low, now it is good i think.
•What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
Most satisfying was when I got enough materials to make a spellbook out of legendary/epic materials. Gonna feel real good to finally have the item i grinded mats for.
Most frustrating is probably not being able to pin a recipe on your screen. I constantly forgot wich materials for what item was required.
Levelling pace seems to be fine, it is slower than most games which will let people know this is not the average mmo where you level to max in a week if you want, but it has not been tedious. Levelling past 10
is more of a slog but mostly because of the lack of gear
Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced? Why or why not?
Character power has been an issue for me in after level 10. This is where the bare minimum I was able to get started to just not be enough and additional crafting would be necessary. Problem is it would have to be crafting of initiate gear which I don't want to do since I am already level 10 and want to start gearing myself with adept gear. Playing rogue with crafted green T1 daggers and blue T1 bow, medium gear from parcel quest and wrists from 2nd outpost and tier 1 gloves drop
Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
I would say the biggest problem with the quest system right now is you have no idea what the reward is before you accept a quest so you can't make a good decision on which quest you want to actually take and which ones will just be a waste of time. Making sure quest rewards are on par with their difficulty is what makes you want to finish or at least take all quests. I think mats are in a good place right now, there is still some materials which have inexplicably a different rarity distribution which is fine but there some extremes like dead coral and banyan trees.
If you want people to do more crafting before level 10 gold is definitely the bottleneck
At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
It is at that point now around level 12 where as an alliance we are pushing to level our node and also level ourselves. This double purpose of grinding is making things much better but we are aware it would be so much more fun and faster if we had better gear at this point. Nobody is too stoked to "waste" resources on initiate gear after level 10 so we wait for one of the nodes to get to village stage. This will probably happen soon but until then we are stuck in the slow grind.
What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
Most satisfying part of progression were the artisan comissions I could do for exp instead of competing for a very limited number of mobs with these large populations. It has downsides like not levelling weapon skills and no gear drops but it is a nice way to level up early and introduce people to artisanship. But they have to be worth doing ideally at all levels.
I would say the only frustrating part was on launch day when I had to crate a new character and wait out the queue in order to be able to login into my first character after I logged out because of a bugged quest. Other than that this phase has not been very frustrating.
I am generally pleased with the state of gathering, the random chances for gems and metals are satisfying and makes gathering copper and zinc less frustrating because the nodes can't be targeted directly like before.
Rarity distributions of gatherables still need some work done, I have noticed some changes but currently the rarity distributions of coconut trees and plumeria trees are abysmal similar to huntable animals which really need to be fixed, since it makes medium armor unuseable.
Processing has been made needlessly more complicated with vendor items, this doesn't serve any other purpose than waste time and only adds another gold cost, which doesn't make it more interesting.
I apreciate crafting being more reliant on mob drops, the numbers will probably need to be looked at but we haven't really done any crafting yet. Also more diversity of crafting materials used is good. The system as a whole has a lot of problems like incomplete recipes, many useless materials etc
I leveled a Ranger, Tank and a Fighter to 7, 9 and 9. The speed was comparable for each class and felt good. I gathered and quested, and did some solo grinding.
Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced?
Levels 1-6: Gear and skills felt more than up to the job, at level 7 it became much harder. I had to retreat from some overpulls and rely on rations very often.
Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression?
YES! The Tank (ooh that name) was my first try. I started in the Anvils, and I could not craft a full set of gear. The recipes on the vendor were for a different zone! I could not find a quest equivalent to the one in Riverlands that awards three pieces of starter gear. At level 9 I had rare and uncommon weapons and jewelry but only two pieces of armor.
The Ranger I started in the Riverlands. Even with CRAZY competition for resources, I managed a full set or uncommon medium armor and jewelry and rare weapons by level 7. MUCH more satisfying!
The Fighter benefited from lessons learned! Beginning in the Anvils, I crafted a heroic 2H Axe and uncommon jewelry. At level 7 I made the trek south to the Riverlands and finished gearing up, mostly rare quality heavy armor. Now I'm a well traveled well geared level 9. It would have been more fun AND immersive in my opinion if that could have been accomplished all in the Anvils. Look forward to revisiting that starting area when it's more fleshed out.
What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
Most Satisfying: Completing the look and gear set on the Vek Ranger and Dunir Fighter.
Most Frustrating: Not being able to do the same on a Py'Rai Tank. Disappointing that the two pieces I could craft were designed for Kaelar. The racially unique and thematic variations on the armor sets is a big selling point for me!
My opinion only - I had the chance to participate in every stage so far from Alpha One, and it is encouraging and exciting to see the game coming to life. My hope is that the players (and guilds) that remain match the creativity and energy of the project. Verra deserves more respect than is often present in Global Chat. Rude or goofy character names and some players trying to beat the Alpha instead of testing the game have been the only real sources of disappointment.
Looking forward to what comes next, big thanks!
Pace of leveling feels fine through level 10. Honestly it could even be a little slower and it would line up with other systems better. Especially considering drop rates are intentionally pretty low for gear, more kills/level will mean more gear/level. Gathering Experience being where it is makes it feel productive to do gathering quests and rewards gathering-oriented characters enough that it feels good. Experience from enemies is good too. I also like that stronger enemies that require groups being the most time efficient is a good way to encourage people to group up.
Experience from quests still feels lackluster. Having legendary gathering nodes give more experience than many early quests does make quests feel lacking.
Did your character’s power (gear, skills, stats) feel like it kept up with the challenges you faced? Why or why not?
Surprisingly, the power level was great until level 8 or so. That's when the fact that I had only found 1 piece of gear by then started to hurt. Similarly, crafting was so expensive I couldn't afford crafting gear until late level 8 or so. The stats from leveling do a pretty good job carrying a character to level 10 without much gear.
Skills feel great! Combat system is amazing, having meaningful skill choices feels great. Most of the power levels feel pretty good on the Ranger and Fighter that I leveled. Fighter's AOE feels a little overtuned at low levels, but it's very minor.
Gear really didn't influence power much because gear upgrades didn't really happen for either character. This feels pretty bad. I put in probably 12+ hours in and saw 1 gear drop, crafted 2 weapons, and lamented being broke 1000 times. Crafting fees are a huge part of this, but gear drop rates at low levels hurt a lot too. I haven't tested the new drop rates yet, but hopefully that helps.
Were there any bottlenecks (quests, materials, gold, difficulty spikes) that slowed your progression? Please share details.
Gear. Gear. Gear. Everything flows well except gear. On a fresh server with no marketplace, buying and selling gear is rough. Most players will need to rely on crafting it for themselves or getting it dropped. If the crafting fees are this high, players can't afford the prices, because no one can sell on the marketplace yet, because there are no marketplaces yet. So we have to rely on gear drops from Humanoids, or make do without.
I made do without. I sold the vast majority of my gathered materials to afford the fees of just a few pieces of gear. I also noticed that I paid DRAMATICALLY more in crafting fees for my gear this time around than the prices I paid on the marketplace in Phase 2.5 for the equivalent gear. This means I'm getting gear quite a lot slower this time around. It also felt like loot drops in general were lower too? I might have just been unlucky.
Maybe we could structure crafting reagents/fees so that novice level crafting is cheaper, but higher levels is more expensive? Cheap crafts need one reagent that is cheap, at some higher tier a new, more expensive reagent is added/substituted. It wouldn't need to be every tier. Maybe you only need new ones at Journeyman and Master or something?
I think when marketplaces finish. and low level characters can sell things to level 10+ characters, this gets much easier. Perhaps we should add a marketplace to Lionhold/other starting areas to help facilitate early economic trading in the first few days of a new server before nodes hit level 3? The players that hit 10 quickly can use it to buy stuff from casuals for early gear and casuals get some money for crafting fees. Maybe this marketplace is more limited than the ones in the nodes to prevent it from becoming the de facto marketplace (thus depriving nodes of much needed taxes). Maybe it allows only 5 items instead of 20. Maybe there is a price limit. Maybe the tax rate is high enough that it is only good when everything else is not an option.
At what point, if any, did progression start to feel grindy instead of fun? What specifically caused that feeling?
Somewhere around level 7 or 8 the grind starts to feel a lot slower. This is mostly from the lack of gear. I'm at level 11 now, and it does not feel prohibitively grindy, but I could see how other players would find it very boring already. Part of this comes from the lack of drops too. If there were more drops and crafting, it could be 20%-30% slower and still feel good to me. There is very little loot. It makes it feel like fighting things is not really the intention of the game--which...maybe the point is to fight players? This isn't necessarily a bad thing if the intention behind it is better communicated to new players.
What was the most satisfying and the most frustrating part of progression for you?
Most satisfying was probably the gathering XP. Feels great. I know the combat system hasn't changed dramatically, but that's good: it feels great still. Also the quest for the additional bag (I think it's called the "Stockade Sack") is by far the most valuable thing either of my characters encountered. For a long time I have been saying "Bag space is the most powerful stat in every MMO." This bag is better than most any Apprentice/Adept level bag (arguably Apprentice Mining Bag is better, but less versatile) and it feels great to have something like this semi-hidden in the game.
Most frustrating is the lack of gear. I'm not gonna belabor it again, but crafting is prohibitively expensive without marketplaces. It feels like it will still probably be too expensive at low levels even once node marketplaces are up.
Additional Suggestion:
While we're talking about crafting economy problems, there's one we haven't seen yet that won't be a problem until we have a few more nodes and much more node experience that is only tangentially related to this discussion, but that I wanted to mention early.
Your growing Economics team might have mentioned this already but *FASTER ROADS* might be a powerful and elegant solution to an eventual economics issue with marketplaces. Since the mechanic is already in the game, it would hopefully be an easy change.
With as many nodes as we are planning to have, there will soon be a point where player preferences will leave many marketplaces mostly empty, while a handful of favorite marketplaces (this could mean a lot of things and is likely to be an emergent property of how the communities use each node) will have most of the goods, depriving many nodes and mayors of much needed taxes. The limit on Trade Buildings forcing nodes to specialize helps a lot.
However, there are so many specializations that the time it would take to ride around to each specialized market, and back for most of the recipes we have is long enough that it means a lot of other things can't be done during that time. This will force players to find/create favorite markets with generalized goods where they can buy/sell anything they need so they only need to visit one place. Again, it can be hard to predict exactly which market this will be, but players will usually create something like this eventually.
This can be mitigated by lessening the time-cost associated with selling at multiple markets. We've established teleportation will be extremely limited, so that won't work. But the introduction of real life roads made trips between locations more than twice as fast--this seems too fast for the game, but I think if roads gave very generous speed buffs (maybe leveling up with the nodes, capping at +60% or +80% or so) it would help to encourage players to utilize multiple markets in a very large world. It might be necessary to move some gathering nodes further back from the roads for balance reasons in this case.
In P1, the mistake was that lvl10 gear was too strong, making lvl20 gear unneeded.
In P2 the problem was well... first it was like P1, then rebalanced, and since it was mid econ it was better
p2.5 was an unspeakable horror.
P3 now started out strong. However, almost immediately Intrepid shot the economy in the back of the head. Yes gear didn't drop and IT WAS A GOOD THING.
People who knew what they were doing, were able to farm some gear via named mobs, quests and such.
Artisans were motivated to progress their craft as lvl20 gear was basically not a thing, so lvl10 creafting was viable due to scarcity.
Then the fire nation attacked Intrepid went mental and buffed the ever living hell out of droprates. Now it rains lvl20 gear. So why in damnation would people works tirelessly to advance their professions when lvl20 gear will almost always be better? Profession with a stroke of a db update became irrelevant for the next 2 months until journeyman crafting becomes available. Except maybe for animal husbandy.
Hey but at least PVP Andies and nolifers are happy that they can cause wanton destruction on everybody I guess. It's not like they'll dip after 2-3 months.. oh wait... never mind.
Also why were things renamed to dumb shit like Radiant, and others? Actually is is brainpower spent on renaming things? makes 0 sense whatsoever.
This phase could have been amazing, with the crafting and gathering changes. Getting metals is now downright enjoyable at the casino... i mean metalworking station.
Anvils is nice too. Until you're attacked by 15 hawks & 17 raptors.
Honestly the dropchange was and is a massive killjoy. The more time is spend with the game the more hoghwash the "PVX" seems, and the more i think this is a non-stop pvp game.
I mean it already have been stated that meaningful PVE will not be a thing (as in hard content) and what was hard and enjoyable, like release of Forge when it was actually difficult, is being taken away. Actually the bridge on forge is still not fixed to my knowledge, as you can't walk out of the dungeon. Unstuck kills you, so good luck farming glittering spall, or crafting mats. The bridge solution was
SB is downright dumb with the mobdensity. You fart in the wrong direction and you pull something. If it's buffed to P1 levels it's impossible as pyros will 1shot somebody, if it's nerfed to p2.5 (or current) levels it's literally a joke category.
I guess the remaining hope for those that don't want to pvp nonstop was crafting but oh well it was stillborn... again...
If you haven't bought in yet and you're a PVE or Artisan mindend person dear reader i don't recommend atm.
If you're a PVP Andy, this game is for you.
Steven it's time to bite the bullet admit to yourself, you want to make a pvp game. Not a pvx game.
Thank you for coming to my tedtalk.
oh as for why tik-tok brain: because gear drop is short term gratification, and it sacrifices core pillars of the game.
Glory to Arioch
Glory to Winsted
For my mana addicted brothers:
For the Glory of Quel'Thalas
The first thing that I feel needs to be said is that feedback is a two-way street. We the community, and I specifically, can leave all the feedback we want, but if we don't know the goalposts, then our feedback loses a lot of its use.
* To clarify, if I get to level 20 within 2 days, and say the pace of the game felt good, but the Intrepid Team says their in-house goal is to stretch the leveling process out to about 100 hours to get to level 20, then my feedback will miss the mark. It turns into a complaint about the in-house choice to slow things down, rather than feedback on how it felt to level.
With that out of the way... my feedback is as follows.
- The PACE of LEVELING in the game felt way too fast or ramped up. I approached phase 3 more casually, avoiding grind groups. I focused on the starter quests in Lionshold, pick-up groups for some events, harvesting, crafting, and commissions. As of Friday (3 days of play) I was level 13 and I hadn't ventured outside of the Riverlands. As a person that normally focuses on crafting, I was already feeling like I was going to have to turn around and chain myself to a table to catch up. Some argue that it's all about getting to max level, but to me, that dismisses the hard work developer teams put in to providing low level and mid level content. I want to experience that content, and being able to casually trot my way to level 20 within a week (let alone the crazy fast grind groups that hit level 25 in two days) feels too fast.
- My CHARACTER'S POWER felt unbalanced. I base that statement on the premise that Steven has said in the past the game is supposed to be balanced around groups of 8, with some content that will allow solo play. As a CLERIC main, I was able to solo 1* and some 2* mobs that were within +/- 1 of my level; and that was with only the 3 pieces of armor from the starter quest, no jewelry, and rusty weapons from the Divine Gate area. At no point did I really feel a challenge, unless I went really looking for it, or within some of the dungeons. That made me feel like gear wasn't needed and that if I did have gear, I wouldn't need a group at all.
* When playing other classes, it felt more challenging, but I still didn't really feel the impact or need for gear all that much.
- Did I feel like there were any BOTTLENECKS?
+ Not to adventuring, no. I was able to coast my way to level 12 very easily. The EXP slowed down a bit after that, but it didn't feel like a bottleneck.
+ On the crafting side... looking at the processing/crafting bench felt like a bottleneck. Joke aside, I like the complex recipes and process involved in crafting, but it felt a lot more expensive and more of a resource burden than it needed to be, at least in the initial stages. I understand that Glint was made a lot easier to obtain, but not to that degree. The other issue that I felt with crafting that I didn't while adventuring was the time invested or wasted in traveling back and forth to different stations. I didn't feel that while adventuring. Stations don't have to be right next to each other, like they were in the marketplace in Phase 2, but having to go from Briarmoor Farms to Avens End over and over got old fast.
- At no point did adventuring feel grindy; at least not yet. Crafting on the other hand, felt grindy AF from the start. The reasons for that are legion, but the biggest is in the comparison between the speed of leveling your adventure class and crafting profession. If the difference were in some way comparable, I don't know if it wouldn't feel like that, but there is that HUGE difference. If I were able to take a more relaxed approach to the crafting, it wouldn't feel so grindy, but the idea that I have to catch up and level super fast just to keep up with the adventure side...
+ The crafting/processing stations being so far apart in the beginner area and the slower settlement progression (which I feel is at the right pace and won't complain about) made me feel like I was wasting a lot of my time just gophering from one place to another. The fact that crafting recipes require multiple items from different professions is a good thing, but having those stations in different locations made it frustrating.
+ The limited size of the bags and the sheer variety of items needed made it so that I would have to take multiple trips from one location to another. And dropping mats on death (which I'm okay with) just made those trips feel even more of a burden.
* If I die adventuring, yes I drop mats, but if the focus is just to level, I can recoup my loss fairly quickly. As a crafter, that loss isn't that easy to recover from, especially if you're carrying high grade materials.
+ As a crafter, if the gear I craft isn't needed, and I am simply just crafting it to sell to the vendor or trash it, it enhances that grindy feeling. To explain further, the fact that players can progress to level 10 and above very quickly and without any gear makes most of what the crafters do obsolete or unneeded, and therefore, it feels like crafting into the void. Crafters need to be able to sell their products in order to keep up the process smoothly, and in the initial days of Phase 3, that didn't happen.
- The MOST SATISFYING part of Phase 3 so far was the availability of cosmetics.
- The MOST FRUSTRATING part of Phase 3 so far is the absolute insult to crafters and the return of static nodes.
- The MOST CONFUSING part is seeing items listed in the patch notes as fixed and encountering the problems within 5 mins of logging in (an example is the hair).
I'm far from filling the slots with at least a common item. It seems like you don't even need the gear. Currently, it's enough to level up to 20 and then worry about the items, which makes crafting useless.
Unfortunately, the introductory crafting quests are neither feasible nor suitable for introducing the player to crafting at this point. At this point, I would expect to be able to simply try out all the professions briefly to see which ones I enjoy. And that's a real shame, because the crafting system seems really well thought out.
The improvement in crafting and questing was noticeable. The new system is much better, and mining, in particular, is more appealing. The ores now fit much better into the environment. However, the professions can't keep up with the game.
I think the complexity of crafting is far too high for the first 10 levels. To introduce and engage players, radically simplifying the effort would be sufficient. Only from levels 11 to 20 do you have enough time to enjoy the complexity of crafting, as the pace of progression slows down. The system is really good, but should only be given full depth later on.
By the time I'm trying to craft sets like "Ambitious Academic's," other players are already at a level where they no longer need that gear.