I enjoy PvP when in the mood, however I have a real problem with it being forced on me.
Playing a game like Planetside where I expect PvP (because that's all that game is), that's fine. Being funneled into tighter and tighter leveling zones and forced into PvP areas to do quests? Not cool.
TBH AoC's apparent take on PvP is... dangerous. Any MMO that makes PvP optional does better, whether or not people opt into the PvP aspects. Games that are pure PvE are fine, games that are pure PvP struggle. Meaning PvP is a limited player base.
AoC's flag system sounds to me like it will kill the game quick. I'm willing to give it a go, but honestly I've seen a lot of PvP servers just die quick because nothing discourages grief ganking. That kind of PvP is only fun for one person, and it ruins game experiences for far more then just the one person.
Every game I've played, the "hardcore" kids scream loudest when they lose, brag loudest when they win, and either quit first or second, whichever part they lose on. So I truly hope AoC doesn't promote that sort of attitude in the game.
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T ElfMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
I'm mostly a PvE person, with occasional PvP on my terms. But there are features in Ashes that sound fun like caravans, monster coins, and sieges to some extent. I'm wondering with all the siege opportunities mentioned if one could get burn out on them between working on guild prep, castle sieges, Node sieges, and node wars.
I enjoy PvP when in the mood, however I have a real problem with it being forced on me.
Playing a game like Planetside where I expect PvP (because that's all that game is), that's fine. Being funneled into tighter and tighter leveling zones and forced into PvP areas to do quests? Not cool.
TBH AoC's apparent take on PvP is... dangerous. Any MMO that makes PvP optional does better, whether or not people opt into the PvP aspects. Games that are pure PvE are fine, games that are pure PvP struggle. Meaning PvP is a limited player base.
AoC's flag system sounds to me like it will kill the game quick. I'm willing to give it a go, but honestly I've seen a lot of PvP servers just die quick because nothing discourages grief ganking. That kind of PvP is only fun for one person, and it ruins game experiences for far more then just the one person.
Every game I've played, the "hardcore" kids scream loudest when they lose, brag loudest when they win, and either quit first or second, whichever part they lose on. So I truly hope AoC doesn't promote that sort of attitude in the game.
Hmm... I can understand that but hopefully Ashes will be different. I personally LOVE pvp, it's the only games I ever have played. when I was 14 I got CS:GO and then RUST after and haven't even touched another game since.
I think the penalties for randomly killing people will be way too much, if you aren't trying to actively pvp and you die I don't really think you lose much of anything (Maybe some mats? but very few) And if the person who is going around killing people who aren't trying to PvP dies, they could even lose their GEAR and WEAPONS.
I don't think Ashes is forcing pvp, but then again I have never played an mmo so I don't know. I also only play PvP games so I could have a bias, but thinking of the grinds some of the gear takes to get in other games... and thinking about losing that just over killing new players is insane.
I'm sure if it doesn't work they will quickly have a solution anyway, I HIGHLY doubt they'll just let a system like that (If it's actually terrible) just go unchanged and kill their game. Thanks for the comment ^-^
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GoicoMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
edited April 2019
Gonna probs do a lot of both, so PvX. Really hyped to experience the PvP!
Tbh I barely ever play pvp. I got competitive in first person shooters but never in an mmo game. PvE has been a big part of whether or not I liked an MMO. When it comes to playing In MMOs I typically am looking for a more coop experience. That doesn’t mean I won’t try pvp, but for me PvE is key. It allows me to play with others and it also allows me to play without anyone else for quiet moments.
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GoicoMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Tbh I barely ever play pvp. I got competitive in first person shooters but never in an mmo game. PvE has been a big part of whether or not I liked an MMO. When it comes to playing In MMOs I typically am looking for a more coop experience. That doesn’t mean I won’t try pvp, but for me PvE is key. It allows me to play with others and it also allows me to play without anyone else for quiet moments.
Yea~!! n.n That's what I'm thinking, I'm really competitive in CS and RUST but I feel like that'll ruin some of the magic of Ashes. Maybe after I while I could really get into PvP and high end PvE or whatever (if PvE is competitive, i dunno) But Yeah I'd love to run around with some friends and do PvE for a while, then once I'm a high level try out some PvP stuff.
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KriddonMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
I usually pve which is why I'm so excited for raids in ashes. But with pvp being such a focus I'm also really interested to try my hand in it.
That looks like a great guide~! I'm gunna have to go over it more! Thank you for making such a sweet guide! I hope Ashes is awesome for you c: I can't believe 40 MANNNN raids are a thing, I just found out raids are when you fight the big bosses lol n.n
Tbh I barely ever play pvp. I got competitive in first person shooters but never in an mmo game. PvE has been a big part of whether or not I liked an MMO. When it comes to playing In MMOs I typically am looking for a more coop experience. That doesn’t mean I won’t try pvp, but for me PvE is key. It allows me to play with others and it also allows me to play without anyone else for quiet moments.
This is me.
I've PvPed in MMOs before, however the only time I've *enjoyed* it is when I voluntarily walk into it with the mindset.
I have my PvP pants, and my PvE pants. If I'm hunting mats and critters, I'm not thinking about killing people or looking for any kind of thrill. I don't want to constantly look over my shoulder or, worse, constantly assume everyone I see may or may not attack me for no reason.
I *like* the idea that anyone is killable, and at the same time I don't. I plan on playing a Mage, with a lot of AoE effects. I don't want to accidentally damage someone just because some flagged bastard pokes me with a stick.
TBH Poko, MMO PvP is an entirely different kettle of fish compared to Counterstrike. And for a game like AoC where you don't actually *have* team mates who you can rely on to *not* stab you in the back, it get's overwhelming quick. The flag system is complicated, and potentially grieftastic.
Imagine you're running along, and you see a dude in trouble. He's green so you know he's not up for PvP. He's got himself a fight with a few monsters he likely won't defeat. You decide to help him out and start dropping some AoE spells to thin the herd of critters around him. Some corrupt SoB nails you with an arrow just before you drop your spell and suddenly you're flagged and damage the guy you were trying to help. Now he's flagged, and you're corrupt.
I'm not sure AoC will work exactly like that, but that is a thing I've seen in other MMOs.
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AzathothMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Ashes has always been described as a PvX game, so my goal is to do PvX. I am looking forward to both equally.
PvX for me, I plan on exploring the game to its full measure and with open world PvP your not going to be able to escape PvP.
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VarkunMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Very much a PvX player love to take in all a game has to offer and Ashes has the potential to offer rather a lot.
Close your eyes spread your arms and always trust your cape.
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unknownsystemerrorMember, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One
edited April 2019
For those not following Atlas they implemented different server types because the megas were doing their normal zerg/grief spam. They made a server just for them to play with the ruleset they wanted. Turns out like every other games anecdotal evidence. people don't want deal with asshat behavior. Current populations without even a NA PVE server (conspiracy theory right now it that they are waiting for Empire to fail so they save the cost on adding a new server before implementing NA PVE.)
NA PvP Colonies - 2,516
EU PvP Colonies - 2,926
EU PvE Colonies - 1,625
NA PvP Empires - 115
Edit: Called it. Empires shut down and replaced with NA PVE tomorrow.
PvE: Player vs environment
PvP: Player vs player
PvX: Player vs anything
I'll play PvX. Both is enjoyable and both I'll practise... with friends and new folks I think it will be fabulous :-D
I'll probably be PvX ! I didn't even know that was a thing lol
Me too! I googled PvX 😂
Raids are really great it 40 can be chaotic... organize everything and if there are tricky mechanics.... it could wipe the raid if you have some moment cripples 😅
PvE start... guild captures PvE Castle...
...other guild declare war on the guild to conquer the castle. Nice idea to get ready to rumble
PvX for me, I plan on exploring the game to its full measure and with open world PvP your not going to be able to escape PvP.
I'm looking forward to doing both as well~! n.n I'd love a nice mix of the two~! Seeing as I've never done PvE that should be especially fun for the first time.
PvE: Player vs environment
PvP: Player vs player
PvX: Player vs anything
I'll play PvX. Both is enjoyable and both I'll practise... with friends and new folks I think it will be fabulous :-D
I'll probably be PvX ! I didn't even know that was a thing lol
Me too! I googled PvX 😂
Raids are really great it 40 can be chaotic... organize everything and if there are tricky mechanics.... it could wipe the raid if you have some moment cripples 😅
PvE start... guild captures PvE Castle...
...other guild declare war on the guild to conquer the castle. Nice idea to get ready to rumble
We're gunna do everything LOL~! I'm probably gunna have to look up on raids though if 40 FRICKIN people are gunna in the them ! ^_^ lol
I plan to focus on artisan craft and PvE but also plan to rp as a mercenary guard on caravans.
Ooooo~! n.n That could be really fun~! People could pay you to protect their caravans while they transfer goods~! ^-^ Crafting should be awesome too, your name gets put on everything you craft from what I heard so. You could craft some awesome gear or something and it would be signed by you!
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Playing a game like Planetside where I expect PvP (because that's all that game is), that's fine. Being funneled into tighter and tighter leveling zones and forced into PvP areas to do quests? Not cool.
TBH AoC's apparent take on PvP is... dangerous. Any MMO that makes PvP optional does better, whether or not people opt into the PvP aspects. Games that are pure PvE are fine, games that are pure PvP struggle. Meaning PvP is a limited player base.
AoC's flag system sounds to me like it will kill the game quick. I'm willing to give it a go, but honestly I've seen a lot of PvP servers just die quick because nothing discourages grief ganking. That kind of PvP is only fun for one person, and it ruins game experiences for far more then just the one person.
Every game I've played, the "hardcore" kids scream loudest when they lose, brag loudest when they win, and either quit first or second, whichever part they lose on. So I truly hope AoC doesn't promote that sort of attitude in the game.
Formerly T-Elf
I hope you can enjoy both~! PvP and PvE! I only play PvP games but I'm giving PvE a shot in MMORPGs! either way I hope you enjoy ashes!
I think PvX is both so I'm probably going to be that too! I don't want to just do one or the other, I wanna do both~! n.n
Well I hope it will be~! So you can get some PvE action as well!
Hmm... I can understand that but hopefully Ashes will be different. I personally LOVE pvp, it's the only games I ever have played. when I was 14 I got CS:GO and then RUST after and haven't even touched another game since.
I think the penalties for randomly killing people will be way too much, if you aren't trying to actively pvp and you die I don't really think you lose much of anything (Maybe some mats? but very few) And if the person who is going around killing people who aren't trying to PvP dies, they could even lose their GEAR and WEAPONS.
I don't think Ashes is forcing pvp, but then again I have never played an mmo so I don't know. I also only play PvP games so I could have a bias, but thinking of the grinds some of the gear takes to get in other games... and thinking about losing that just over killing new players is insane.
I'm sure if it doesn't work they will quickly have a solution anyway, I HIGHLY doubt they'll just let a system like that (If it's actually terrible) just go unchanged and kill their game. Thanks for the comment
Awesome~!!!! n.n I'm hyped too~! For BOTH! It'll be my first MMO so I won't know if I like PvP or PvE, but I'll most likely be doing them both!
Oooooh, nice! Yeah I think this game is gonna have a really good balance between them both.
Yea~!! n.n That's what I'm thinking, I'm really competitive in CS and RUST but I feel like that'll ruin some of the magic of Ashes. Maybe after I while I could really get into PvP and high end PvE or whatever (if PvE is competitive, i dunno) But Yeah I'd love to run around with some friends and do PvE for a while, then once I'm a high level try out some PvP stuff.
I made this guide for newcomers.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/42013/for-all-new-players-who-may-know-next-to-nothing-about-the-game
That looks like a great guide~!
Wow I hadn't even seen the mmo gameplay from dec 2018!!! Some of those monsters look SOOO heckin coooool 0.0
This is me.
I've PvPed in MMOs before, however the only time I've *enjoyed* it is when I voluntarily walk into it with the mindset.
I have my PvP pants, and my PvE pants. If I'm hunting mats and critters, I'm not thinking about killing people or looking for any kind of thrill. I don't want to constantly look over my shoulder or, worse, constantly assume everyone I see may or may not attack me for no reason.
I *like* the idea that anyone is killable, and at the same time I don't. I plan on playing a Mage, with a lot of AoE effects. I don't want to accidentally damage someone just because some flagged bastard pokes me with a stick.
TBH Poko, MMO PvP is an entirely different kettle of fish compared to Counterstrike. And for a game like AoC where you don't actually *have* team mates who you can rely on to *not* stab you in the back, it get's overwhelming quick. The flag system is complicated, and potentially grieftastic.
Imagine you're running along, and you see a dude in trouble. He's green so you know he's not up for PvP. He's got himself a fight with a few monsters he likely won't defeat. You decide to help him out and start dropping some AoE spells to thin the herd of critters around him. Some corrupt SoB nails you with an arrow just before you drop your spell and suddenly you're flagged and damage the guy you were trying to help. Now he's flagged, and you're corrupt.
I'm not sure AoC will work exactly like that, but that is a thing I've seen in other MMOs.
NA PvP Colonies - 2,516
EU PvP Colonies - 2,926
EU PvE Colonies - 1,625
NA PvP Empires - 115
Edit: Called it. Empires shut down and replaced with NA PVE tomorrow.
Me too! I googled PvX 😂
Raids are really great it 40 can be chaotic... organize everything and if there are tricky mechanics.... it could wipe the raid if you have some moment cripples 😅
PvE start... guild captures PvE Castle...
...other guild declare war on the guild to conquer the castle. Nice idea to get ready to rumble
I'm looking forward to doing both as well~! n.n I'd love a nice mix of the two~! Seeing as I've never done PvE that should be especially fun for the first time.
We're gunna do everything LOL~! I'm probably gunna have to look up on raids though if 40 FRICKIN people are gunna in the them ! ^_^ lol
Ooooo~! n.n That could be really fun~! People could pay you to protect their caravans while they transfer goods~! ^-^ Crafting should be awesome too, your name gets put on everything you craft from what I heard so. You could craft some awesome gear or something and it would be signed by you!
Awesome!
True ouo but I've seen some... people who just ONLY want one or the other cx and hate the idea of even trying out the other so o-o weird!
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