Dungeon finder, Raid finder and Group finder

as the title suggests the discussion is about the different kinds of (finders) we find in games, will AoC have them if yes will they be on all kind of content (raids, dungeons,...etc), what all of you think about it, do you want the game to have this kind of accessibility or not? and in which kind of content do you want them?

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Dygz

cyanideinsanity wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

I don't think group finders will be necessary for Ashes.
People will be living in villages, towns,cities and metros that they will want to defend. Rather than moving on to a new location as they level..

Doesn't each node level increase the difficulty of the area? A village is fine until you're trying to hit max level on lv 10 boars, if so. Also while the world may be big, but I don't think each node will have enough content to keep players that engaged to not go elsewhere. ZOIs however I feel would be more accommodating. Rather then being secluded to their home node, I'd imaging more players would be keeping to their shared piece of the world.

Basically, the nodes level with you. And the mob tables change as the nodes progress.
I don't think I said anything about being secluded to one are or never traveling elsewhere.
The difference is that people will be returning to their homes, rather than constantly dispersing to make new locations their home.
And we will have similar goals as the rest of the citizens of our nodes and regions in terms of defense and node progression. Also, we will have similar goals when it comes to social and religious progression - since we will be getting quests and tasks and services from the buildings we build in our home nodes.

In the early days of the server, the villages will progress to the town stage and then to the city stage.
The mob tables will progress accordingly, so, while we're trying to reach max level, we won't have to leave our home node when the village becomes a town because there will now be level 20 mobs for us to hunt.
We won't be stuck just hunting level 10 mobs.

For those who start playing months later - after villages and towns are mostly locked by well-established cities and metros - newbies might travel from their village to an adjacent town when they're ready to hunt more challenging content, but they will still be returning to their homes and freeholds in the village afterwards - for quite some time. And they will know where to find the homes and freeholds of other citizens in the village and where to find the homes and freeholds of other citizens in the towns and cities.
At some point, an individual might want to move their home from a village to a town or a city - but their friends will be told where the new home is. And that individual will, again, be staying in that home for quite a while.

There will be quests and tasks from the node, and social organizations within the node that send players to exotic locales, but those probably won't solo-only quests and tasks. Even the solo quests will likely send the individual on the same path as caravans.
So finding people to adventure with shouldn't be as much of a challenge in Ashes as finding someone who wants to replay the same dungeon or raid when you do.

insomnia

Of what i recall hearing, there won't be a groupfinder. I think it is a bad idea. I recall in wow, how it was, trying to get a group for a dungeon or group mission. Often you would just outlevel the quest/place, by the time you got a group for it

GrinningJack

This has already been talked to death, NO to all three from Intrepids side.

Dygz

Talked to death on Discord... lmao

Ferryman

Some kind of group finder tool or at least group finder chat section (both local) could be nice QoL things. I am not a fan either of automated group finders with instant teleports to dungeon.

Nagash

it seems like the consensus is that people don't want raid finders

Azryil

Nagash wrote: »

it seems like the consensus is that people don't want raid finders

and for good reason.

Nagash

arzosah wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

it seems like the consensus is that people don't want raid finders

and for good reason.

Indeed

Virtek

I believe Steven said they were debating a physical "Looking for group" bulletin board that you can visit within nodes of a certain stage.
I'm all for that. Post in it that you're looking for a group and then do your shopping at merchant stands nearby.

Keep a lookout for people asking for groups in public chat while they are near that board also shopping and BAM! Group finder with a more social aspect.

You know a physical location to frequent where people are always visiting to find a group.

Bloodless

I don't even like the world or ZOI chat to be a part of the game. I would rather love to see messengers like ravens or owls that people can send messages from when they want to relay information to another city. I am however okay with maybe talk within the node that you are in which will help you organize a group more efficiently. For social reasons, I think guild, group, alliance, and raid chat should be allowed throughout the world though. The main reason I wouldn't want to include world or ZOI chat is that it will break the discovery side of things. You will have people spamming the chat with, "if you want mithril ore then travel northeast to so and so".

crymoar

Probably need to have them. If you have a tight group of friends and / or are a member of a large guild then you won't need to use them.

Azryil

crymoar wrote: »

Probably need to have them. If you have a tight group of friends and / or are a member of a large guild then you won't need to use them.

What is your reasoning for them needing to exist? There are plenty of reasons in this thread for them to not exist they harm the social nature of MMOs.

Morashtak

Shadowfang Keep

Be a dwarf paladin.
Get quest to retrieve part of a hammer from SFK.
Few if any guildees logged on.
Decide to scout it out.
Run my little buns from IF all the way to SFK.
Enjoy the exploration and occasional combat.
Would do it again... with friends.
Would be bored the Xth time but would if I have to.

BFD among many others had this "problem" as well.

Could see a shortcut method but nothing ever as society breaking as LF mechanics.

We'll just have to solve our own "problems".

caedwyn

mytherios wrote: »

as the title suggests the discussion is about the different kinds of (finders) we find in games, will AoC have them if yes will they be on all kind of content (raids, dungeons,...etc), what all of you think about it, do you want the game to have this kind of accessibility or not? and in which kind of content do you want them?

i believe you couldve asked this on their discord and other channels but aside from that
i hope they make a system like that with the exception of working in the same node or local area and add more options to it ...
it certainly is a great tool
either having that or having owls or ravens or bulleting boards or etc....

intrepid always comes up with great ideas so either way ill be ok with their choice

bdoelle

wanderingmist wrote: »

I'm fine with a tool that helps players advertise and join groups. I am definitely NOT fine with an automated group finder where you just press a button and get automatically get put into a group with random people.

Here here!

kawasakininja

I dont like them aswell. Hope they really are not going to be implemented.

Ibarumarky

I remember the good old vanilla wow... that was something... all the way down to molten core...or The travels towards Ahn'Quiraj... it was exhausting but the world felt much better.

Atleast I would suggest a quest board or so... where people can left note that last for some time telling the reader what the person had in mind. (Dungeon,....)

Dygz

aird88 wrote: »

I don't even like the world or ZOI chat to be a part of the game. I would rather love to see messengers like ravens or owls that people can send messages from when they want to relay information to another city. I am however okay with maybe talk within the node that you are in which will help you organize a group more efficiently. For social reasons, I think guild, group, alliance, and raid chat should be allowed throughout the world though. The main reason I wouldn't want to include world or ZOI chat is that it will break the discovery side of things. You will have people spamming the chat with, "if you want mithril ore then travel northeast to so and so".

Ha. I expect to be using discord voice and/or twitch chat most of the time.
In-game chat is sooooo 20th century.
People spamming discoveries via in-game chat is irrelevant when I'm also watching twitch and YouTube vids.

perseus01

I was thinking about this and I don't really like how it takes out the social aspect of finding one either. Makes chat a dustbowl.

Dygz

meh
Typically there is no social aspect of finding others in any case.
One of my biggest pet peeves is people inviting me to join a party or raid without any conversation at all.
Most gamers play MMORPGs to kill stuff as efficiently as possible. They don't care much about being social.

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