PvP Community and GameBalance.

PvP cummunity will know mostly all game balance issues in first month. Not because of intilligence. But because it is just part of the natural learning curve. When you start learning how to surgical dismantle different classes that when it comes into play. Plus not to hard to notice things like a class is to bursty cause you just went from full health to dead in 3 seconds. You could be bad at pvp do a lot of pvp and notice one class really out performing another consistently. Point is as far as the people that pvp all the time they will have a clear picture of game balance in Ashes of Creation.

So if somehow you get wrong or just fail to see some game mechanic. Well a lot of pvpers will not play this game. No point in pvping in this game if pvp game balance is better in the game they are currently playing.

Tosan pvp hunter in WoW was commenting on how th 5v5 bracket was removed because the pvp comunity could not sustain it just not enough people to play. So those guys have 3 million subs I guess but no 5v5 bracket. Maybe Devs ought look into that.

My theory is PvPers out grew WoW saw that pvp system was fundamentaly flawed and went on to other games that had a system that did it better.

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Dygz

Game devs don't have to be omniscient to have more expertise in game design than you.
Yes, "if". I never said that headshots will be in the final implementation.

seaber

dygz wrote: »

Game devs don't have to be omniscient to have more expertise in game design than you.
Yes, "if". I never said that headshots will be in the final implementation.

Appealing to authority is not a good look.
"if" meaning they know headshots bring problems.

Dygz

It's not appealing to authority, it's relying on expertise.
That the devs are debating the inclusion of headshots is not news.

Karthos

I'm not totally sold on the head shot idea because one simple reason. Ping.

This problem is hard to mitigate on games were a headshot is a key component (shooters, ect) but think of the huge advantage an AoE heavy class has on getting head shots, ping be damned.

Xombie

PvP is life

consultant

Dear developers well when the game comes out you are going to have forums filled with people complaining about game balance.

Many of the posts will be from people that need to increase their skill and need to play their class correctly in pvp. Peoople call this L2P or learn to play. Plus if people are not multiclassers then people have a tendency to see the game through only one class making their posts naturally biased.

My advice is to focus on the people that are avid pvpers. On people that pvp a lot or enough to know what they are talking about. Although a person may be very smart and make statements made by looking at game mechanics they miss a lot of things without having the actual experience.

For example some people responded tome saying to run a more defensive set up since no self heals are there for rangers. Well just better to play a mage that has a denfensive cooldown and foregoe running a defensive setup . Or look at this way no point in runningg defensive set up an ranger when you can just run defensive set up on mage. Or really not to helpful since every class can run a defensive set up. Plus running a defensive set up will cost you dps on a supposidley already nerfed dps ranger so better to just play class were you do not have to do that.

The problems caused by not having self heal or defensive cd outweight rangers mobility.

In my personal experience. I noticed that people that are good at pvp usually do not even post . And most of the poeple that post all the time and sound like they know everything about pvp do not even do that much pvp. Kind of like trying to learn how to play basketball from someone that has never played the game.

Karthos

consultant wrote: »

Dear developers well when the game comes out you are going to have forums filled with people complaining about game balance.

Ok Nostradamus

Nagash

consultant wrote: »

Dear developers well when the game comes out you are going to have forums filled with people complaining about game balance.

Many of the posts will be from people that need to increase their skill and need to play their class correctly in pvp. Peoople call this L2P or learn to play. Plus if people are not multiclassers then people have a tendency to see the game through only one class making their posts naturally biased.

My advice is to focus on the people that are avid pvpers. On people that pvp a lot or enough to know what they are talking about. Although a person may be very smart and make statements made by looking at game mechanics they miss a lot of things without having the actual experience.

For example some people responded tome saying to run a more defensive set up since no self heals are there for rangers. Well just better to play a mage that has a denfensive cooldown and foregoe running a defensive setup . Or look at this way no point in runningg defensive set up an ranger when you can just run defensive set up on mage. Or really not to helpful since every class can run a defensive set up. Plus running a defensive set up will cost you dps on a supposidley already nerfed dps ranger so better to just play class were you do not have to do that.

The problems caused by not having self heal or defensive cd outweight rangers mobility.

In my personal experience. I noticed that people that are good at pvp usually do not even post . And most of the poeple that post all the time and sound like they know everything about pvp do not even do that much pvp. Kind of like trying to learn how to play basketball from someone that has never played the game.

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Damokles wrote: »

I would like to see 40vs40 instanced guild battles/wars.
For training purposes only ofc
(It would incentivise guilds to come up with interesting combat group compositions)

Idk how I feel about this. A game I played called Fiesta Online there was like a 30v30 or something guild war system. Have like a 30v30 guild war tournament bracket as a community event every month with in-game mechanics to support it. Give a reward to the top 3 teams in the form of cash shop currency and a special guild accessory of some kind to symbolize the victory.
I think guild wars in general should just be open world. In every MMORPG I've played a lot guild wars has always been a big and enjoyable aspect to the game since I typically join strong PvP guilds. The best part of it is hunting for people, having the war go across multiple parts of the maps, and the skirmish aspect of it. That becomes lost in instanced PvP. Plus there's the issue of segregating PvP too much. I'd say limiting it to open world pvp with specific areas that attract PvP, 15v15 normalized or equalized unranked battlegrounds, 3v3 equalized arena ranked, 1v1 equalized arena ranked, and 1v1 open world duels with no consequences are the best options.

Marzzo

As long as they try to balance PVP and PVE the same way this game will be unbalanced. You can't combine them.

Azathoth

Well, as long as it favors PvE I'm good then.

consultant

Well there are testing out game balance in APOC so it should be decent because of the extensive testing vs putting the game out and letting the players be the test subjects. So even though I have posted a lot on this subject because Intrepid Studios took the initiative to make APOC then they will see how the classes do live and will have a ton of data to draw upon before the game actually goes live.

Copperfield

i forsee alot of problems ahead with balance in pvp..

AOC presenting alot of combinations builds.. this is usually combined with meta builds and insane inbalance issues..

I would be happy and take less builds anyday.. if the balance is easier to handle this way..

What i like to see in AOC: very depth cooperation gameplay... i would love to see an mmorpg which actually utilize group play on a very indepth level..

not many mmorpg have this option..

Undead Canuck

Also remember that the balancing is going to be for groups, not 1v1. There will be times when 1 class is more powerful than another (but then a different class will be able to take them out).
They are looking for the rock-paper-scissors idea (sorry, no lizard, but maybe Spock since @Steven is a Trekkie).

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