What features you dislike in MMOs and hope Ashes won't have?

As each MMORPGs have some good features (GW2 mounts, crafting system of SWG, housing of Wildstar *RIP* etc), they have some bad ones as well. They tend to have very similar features to WoW and other traditional MMORPGs which most people dislike and think they're outdated. There are two features I see in MMOs and despise. One of them is the 'artificial' feel most of MMOs in which case you just click stuff to do things with the mouse pointer (kills the immersion and looks ugly tbh). The other is boring and non skill based combat (both action: spamming abilities in order and tab: pressing buttons at the right time...) So, what features you don't want to see in Ashes of Creation?

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Dygz

@noaani
The OP can clarify what was meant by "main storyline" and "storyline (main quest)".
What you've written, of course, does not clarify what was meant.
Also, your conclusion about me being a "solo gamer rather than a social one" is false...as usual.

Dygz

Magic Man wrote: »

What bothers me is the uncertainty tbh. What if i have to keep quests all the time till i each max level because it is the most efficient way of gaining XP? Honestly, i want to be left alone and do whatever i want - helping something or someone, doing things and being rewarded for them. When someone tells me 'you need this quest to achieve this' etc i find myself in a position where my freedom is restricted. I want to feel the adrenaline early on (level 10 - 15) by engaging in PvP and kill some mobs that aren't mindless creatures and actually offer a challenge. Don't get me wrong, i like quests when they are fun and interesting. What i'm against is having to rely on them and gameplay consisting of chain quests that take you to level 50 (or whatever is the max lvl). Sure, other stuff will give XP as well but would it really compare to what you get from quests which takes you nicely from lvl 1 to 50? I plan on asking that question for the livestream this month.

Well, but that's why I mentioned Caravan runs and Sieges. We get xp from those activities and even from exploration. You don't have to grab a Caravan quest before participating in a Caravan run. You don't have to grab a quest to participate in a Siege. You don't have to grab a quest to defend your town from a monster attack.
It is likely that there will be plenty of quests that provide extra rewards for most activities. And it is likely that completing quests will be the most efficient way of gaining xp - that's what quests are for.

But, Castle sieges, Node sieges and defending/attacking Caravan runs are forms of PvP combat that should provide a reasonable amount of xp even without being associated with quests.
I think the issue isn't so much about whether non-quest activities provide xp that is comparable to quest activities, but whether non-quest activities give so little xp that leveling without quests feels like a grind.

I think the devs will tell you that there is plenty to do to gain xp at a reasonable pace even without focusing on quests. But, it's great to get clarification directly from the devs.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

What you've written, of course, does not clarify what was meant.

May be not, but it does point out to you that you were wrong to assume that you were absolutely right in your assumption.

Even if your assumption does turn out to be true (which I doubt - and I doubt the poster in question will ever clear it up) you were wrong in assuming you were right.

Blackhearted

The quest discussion could make a thread on its own already

Personally Im fine with having content locked behind quests as long as they make sense.
An ogre city too dangerous to be explored, but after a questline you make friends with ogres and they allow you to visit their city and trade with them.
This type of quest isnt forced on everyone, but say youre a merchant and ogre city has unique reagents. Youd probably like to complete the quest to make profit.

I also hope there wont be too many quests, because in WoW, completing hundreds of tedious quests creates an atmosphere where even the ones that could be interesting are tedious.
Having less quests makes them more meaningful.

I dislike main storylines because theyre usually too rewarding or in other ways forced down on u. The stories can sometimes be enjoyable but they could be enjoyable as regular questlines.
I would really love to have a feeling of freedom in AoC.

Noaani

Blackhearted wrote: »

I also hope there wont be too many quests, because in WoW, completing hundreds of tedious quests creates an atmosphere where even the ones that could be interesting are tedious.
Having less quests makes them more meaningful.

I had 5,000 quests completed when I stopped playing EQ2.

Some quests can be tedious, absolutely.

My hope for any major quest line in Ashes (or any MMORPG) is that there is someone that QC's the quest line as a whole - not just for bugs, but also to make sure it is generally enjoyable.

Dygz

noaani wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

What you've written, of course, does not clarify what was meant.

May be not, but it does point out to you that you were wrong to assume that you were absolutely right in your assumption.

Even if your assumption does turn out to be true (which I doubt - and I doubt the poster in question will ever clear it up) you were wrong in assuming you were right.

I didn't make an assumption. I stated, "I'm not really sure what "main storyline" means'".
That is an invitation for the OP to clarify what they mean.
You are the one who consistently makes absurd, false assumptions, like this one: "That amounts to you saying that you do not think that progressing regions and Nodes and Religious and Social organizations will involve stories."
And... I'm done discussing this with you. You can have the last word if you wish.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

I didn't make an assumption.

By the time you posted this

Dygz wrote: »

Ghoosty wrote: »

@Dygz Archeage is a sandbox MMO. Even it has a main storyline. If AoC has more theme-park element, we should expect for a main storyline as well.

You really didn’t address what I said.
What I’m responding to is the notion of “doing the main storyline to unlock something” in a game where the primary focuses are Node progression, Religious progression, Social Org progression, Caravan runs and Sieges.
I’m not aware of ArcheAge having those features.

You had made the assumption about what the poster in question was talking about.

Dygz

Nyxxa

Mission tables!

This is an MMORPG not a facebook game. Don't add mission tables or other objects/rewards behind pure waiting time. Hard work should allow you to achieve something faster or to a greater reward.

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Dummo

Too much dailies you feel obliged to do to get all the rewards.

daxiongmao87

Too much emphasis on end game and treating everything pre-endgame as an obstacle instead of part of the game too.

Endgame is fine to have, but what's not is when any level that's not max level is treated as a gate to the game.

Make the leveling memorable, fun, and feel like it's a true journey. Also expand the game not only vertically but laterally.

Attar

Ability bloat without distinction (dot #1, dot #2, dot #3, nuke #1, nuke #2, nuke#3, etc.). I appreciated how swtor did snipers where different shots had different debuffs or buffed the following shots in different ways.

Balrog21

The absorb mechanic
Group finder
Cute costumes, its not a damn fashion show like bdo has become.

Lfmr

-Time gated content. if I can look at a grind and say "Alright, I can go hard for a day or two and get it done." that's fine, but when the content is time gated, it becomes soul sucking, I log on for an hour or two a day, do my in game chores and log off, rinse and repeat for a month.

-Infinite Progression. There needs to be a point at which I am at the peak of my character and the only progression you can achieve after that is sideways, (At least until the next expansion hits.) a clear goal which can be reached, if not loot and power progression becomes less exciting "I got my chest piece.. but it's got the wrong enchantment.. alright, see you next week for the raid..."

awq

Sprint.
Summon mounts in combat.
Auto party finders.

Piedplat

I want one gear set to pvp and pve, I mean no pvp stats. If I chose a new build I will change my gear to follow the build way but dont tell me I am weak because I dont enough pvp-stat. I am a pvp player of all form and pvp-stat is not a solution.

Warth

Top 3 would be:

any typ of incentive to do something while afk (most regeneration, afk fishing etc.)

the game simple being too easy

extensive dailies (1-3 is fine, but if you have to spend the first 2 hours of each day completing dailies, then it gets annoying)

Taraniss

1) I don't want their to be one "mode" for the game. What I mean by that is I don't want it to be easy and I don't want it to be hard. I want it to have layers of each level. I want their to be content that is hard and only a certain amount of skilled players reach that pinnacle. I also want their to be something they get that shows off they hit those marks.

I also want easy content for those who don't have that hardcore desire or don't have the time. Still they feel like their is stuff for them that gets their toon where they want to be. In it's simplest form I prefer an upper,lower,and medium "class" in games.

2) Dailies to the point they are just time sinks to keep me in the game. I don't want to have to do 15 dailies for 2 months to reach some goal that is needed. I am not opposed to this if it is something that has nothing to do with making the game easier. If this system is implemented and it is linked to stuff like cosmetic items then I really can care less. If it is linked to something along the lines of me needing to do this to enter another zone or access a certain part of the dungeon, then I don't want it.

3) I dislike gear that translates to pvp and pve. I prefer them two different types. The player who clears the best dungeons/raids/world bosses I don't think should also have the best gear in pvp. That should be tied to those who do the best and grinded out what they had to for PVP gear that is the better suited for pvp. I have no issue with the best PVE gear being viable in PVP and vice versus. I just don't think it should be universal.

Ravudha

Was just thinking about fears regarding enchanting the other day -

When getting the max enchant becomes a months-long game of rng-fail-rinse-repeat for one item instead of a process where the player can feel tangible progress at each step.

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