Heruwolf wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Those macros and more can absolutely be used in PvP and are very useful and macros in WoW absolutely give the user an edge over someone who doesn't. Especially in PvP. You're gonna have a hard time convincing most WoW players that macros are a bad thing. Currently in WoW you can't do anything more with the Macro system that I can't do with just the macro buttons on my keyboard. I can setup a macro on my keyboard to click two buttons at the same time, giving me an advantage over someone who's playing with a dell keyboard. However, add in the macro system in game, now I have no advantage. Most of the macros that one builds in WoW is to get around bad game mechanics to begin with. For example: #showtooltip /use Barbed Shot /use [@ pettarget]Claw /use [@ pettarget]Bite /use [@ pettarget]Smack The reason a macro like this is used to begin with is because the auto cast system that Blizzard implemented can randomly delay the cast of the hunters pet ability by 1-4 seconds, varying wildly. Yet, you could also just bind this same ability to a different hotkey and then have your keyboard press that button every time you push any of your other rotational abilities. Same thing as I previously stated: #showtooltip /use [@ cursor]Volley This macro simply auto confirms the placement of the ground target ability rather than having to left click to confirm. I can tell you right now, this macro has failed me an equal amount of times as it has helped me. The amount of times this macro ends up putting my Volley on some random lip of the wall texture instead of on the ground where the mobs are is infuriating. Now don't get me wrong, if Intrepid builds systems that don't have this issue and has an auto confirm option, then awesome, no complaints. But the reality is that they probably won't. I'd welcome to be proven wrong. There will always be someone somewhere that wants to be able to do something else with an ability than the game allows. Macros limit that a bit. This entire thread really needs to get off of the "macros are cheating" mentality, cause it's flat wrong. This is an MMO that is being designed for PC. To tell me that you won't have ANY macros at all, is just bad design. So I have to manually type out my recruitment message for my guild every time I want to send it? Or would pasting it from a notepad be an option. Is ctrl+v not considered a macro as well? Cause I can tell you right now, it is.
vmangman wrote: » Those macros and more can absolutely be used in PvP and are very useful and macros in WoW absolutely give the user an edge over someone who doesn't. Especially in PvP.
Neurath wrote: » In SWG they removed the cooldowns which meant Macros would enable one-shots with all skills being activated and active at the same time. It caused chaos for more than 7 days until they hot fixed the mess they caused. I do not see why a seasoned team such as IS can't cover the parameters in cohesion with the functionalities. Macros in themselves are not bad or cheats, its when supportive elements to prevent cheats and bad actors do not exist.
vmangman wrote: » Heruwolf wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Those macros and more can absolutely be used in PvP and are very useful and macros in WoW absolutely give the user an edge over someone who doesn't. Especially in PvP. You're gonna have a hard time convincing most WoW players that macros are a bad thing. Currently in WoW you can't do anything more with the Macro system that I can't do with just the macro buttons on my keyboard. I can setup a macro on my keyboard to click two buttons at the same time, giving me an advantage over someone who's playing with a dell keyboard. However, add in the macro system in game, now I have no advantage. Most of the macros that one builds in WoW is to get around bad game mechanics to begin with. For example: #showtooltip /use Barbed Shot /use [@ pettarget]Claw /use [@ pettarget]Bite /use [@ pettarget]Smack The reason a macro like this is used to begin with is because the auto cast system that Blizzard implemented can randomly delay the cast of the hunters pet ability by 1-4 seconds, varying wildly. Yet, you could also just bind this same ability to a different hotkey and then have your keyboard press that button every time you push any of your other rotational abilities. Same thing as I previously stated: #showtooltip /use [@ cursor]Volley This macro simply auto confirms the placement of the ground target ability rather than having to left click to confirm. I can tell you right now, this macro has failed me an equal amount of times as it has helped me. The amount of times this macro ends up putting my Volley on some random lip of the wall texture instead of on the ground where the mobs are is infuriating. Now don't get me wrong, if Intrepid builds systems that don't have this issue and has an auto confirm option, then awesome, no complaints. But the reality is that they probably won't. I'd welcome to be proven wrong. There will always be someone somewhere that wants to be able to do something else with an ability than the game allows. Macros limit that a bit. This entire thread really needs to get off of the "macros are cheating" mentality, cause it's flat wrong. This is an MMO that is being designed for PC. To tell me that you won't have ANY macros at all, is just bad design. So I have to manually type out my recruitment message for my guild every time I want to send it? Or would pasting it from a notepad be an option. Is ctrl+v not considered a macro as well? Cause I can tell you right now, it is. This is also for @rikardp98 . You two must have just not been very competitive in WoW PvP. Macros will absolutely give someone an advantage over someone who does not use them. All the targeting macros you use in arenas absolutely give you an advantage because you are so much faster to react to other targets. Or macroing your pet to follow you before you drop a trap so that the warrior doesn't taunt it to break the trap? Macros absolutely give you an advantage in PvP. If you claim that they don't give you an advantage then it probably means that you were never very competitive.
halbarz wrote: » Macros can be handy but in a competitive scene, they can easily create an advantage. To be fair I am glad that Intrepid has decided to take a stance to have no Macro's / addon / etc. It even's the playing field and there is nothing wrong with that.@rikardp98 based on your input regarding Arena's, what you mention is exactly why we do not need add-ons. People should learn how to use the terrain, their skills and etc.
rikardp98 wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Heruwolf wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Those macros and more can absolutely be used in PvP and are very useful and macros in WoW absolutely give the user an edge over someone who doesn't. Especially in PvP. You're gonna have a hard time convincing most WoW players that macros are a bad thing. Currently in WoW you can't do anything more with the Macro system that I can't do with just the macro buttons on my keyboard. I can setup a macro on my keyboard to click two buttons at the same time, giving me an advantage over someone who's playing with a dell keyboard. However, add in the macro system in game, now I have no advantage. Most of the macros that one builds in WoW is to get around bad game mechanics to begin with. For example: #showtooltip /use Barbed Shot /use [@ pettarget]Claw /use [@ pettarget]Bite /use [@ pettarget]Smack The reason a macro like this is used to begin with is because the auto cast system that Blizzard implemented can randomly delay the cast of the hunters pet ability by 1-4 seconds, varying wildly. Yet, you could also just bind this same ability to a different hotkey and then have your keyboard press that button every time you push any of your other rotational abilities. Same thing as I previously stated: #showtooltip /use [@ cursor]Volley This macro simply auto confirms the placement of the ground target ability rather than having to left click to confirm. I can tell you right now, this macro has failed me an equal amount of times as it has helped me. The amount of times this macro ends up putting my Volley on some random lip of the wall texture instead of on the ground where the mobs are is infuriating. Now don't get me wrong, if Intrepid builds systems that don't have this issue and has an auto confirm option, then awesome, no complaints. But the reality is that they probably won't. I'd welcome to be proven wrong. There will always be someone somewhere that wants to be able to do something else with an ability than the game allows. Macros limit that a bit. This entire thread really needs to get off of the "macros are cheating" mentality, cause it's flat wrong. This is an MMO that is being designed for PC. To tell me that you won't have ANY macros at all, is just bad design. So I have to manually type out my recruitment message for my guild every time I want to send it? Or would pasting it from a notepad be an option. Is ctrl+v not considered a macro as well? Cause I can tell you right now, it is. This is also for @rikardp98 . You two must have just not been very competitive in WoW PvP. Macros will absolutely give someone an advantage over someone who does not use them. All the targeting macros you use in arenas absolutely give you an advantage because you are so much faster to react to other targets. Or macroing your pet to follow you before you drop a trap so that the warrior doesn't taunt it to break the trap? Macros absolutely give you an advantage in PvP. If you claim that they don't give you an advantage then it probably means that you were never very competitive. I have never needed to use targeting marcos, and i have also not played hunter. I play Druid, yes they have some macros but non that I needed. As I said, this is my experience and from what you have said, targeting macros and the hunter macro is so simple that it's something you can do without a macro, nothing game changing or a must have. In pvp arena what matters is mostly positioning, interrupting and then burst damage.
vmangman wrote: » rikardp98 wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Heruwolf wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Those macros and more can absolutely be used in PvP and are very useful and macros in WoW absolutely give the user an edge over someone who doesn't. Especially in PvP. You're gonna have a hard time convincing most WoW players that macros are a bad thing. Currently in WoW you can't do anything more with the Macro system that I can't do with just the macro buttons on my keyboard. I can setup a macro on my keyboard to click two buttons at the same time, giving me an advantage over someone who's playing with a dell keyboard. However, add in the macro system in game, now I have no advantage. Most of the macros that one builds in WoW is to get around bad game mechanics to begin with. For example: #showtooltip /use Barbed Shot /use [@ pettarget]Claw /use [@ pettarget]Bite /use [@ pettarget]Smack The reason a macro like this is used to begin with is because the auto cast system that Blizzard implemented can randomly delay the cast of the hunters pet ability by 1-4 seconds, varying wildly. Yet, you could also just bind this same ability to a different hotkey and then have your keyboard press that button every time you push any of your other rotational abilities. Same thing as I previously stated: #showtooltip /use [@ cursor]Volley This macro simply auto confirms the placement of the ground target ability rather than having to left click to confirm. I can tell you right now, this macro has failed me an equal amount of times as it has helped me. The amount of times this macro ends up putting my Volley on some random lip of the wall texture instead of on the ground where the mobs are is infuriating. Now don't get me wrong, if Intrepid builds systems that don't have this issue and has an auto confirm option, then awesome, no complaints. But the reality is that they probably won't. I'd welcome to be proven wrong. There will always be someone somewhere that wants to be able to do something else with an ability than the game allows. Macros limit that a bit. This entire thread really needs to get off of the "macros are cheating" mentality, cause it's flat wrong. This is an MMO that is being designed for PC. To tell me that you won't have ANY macros at all, is just bad design. So I have to manually type out my recruitment message for my guild every time I want to send it? Or would pasting it from a notepad be an option. Is ctrl+v not considered a macro as well? Cause I can tell you right now, it is. This is also for @rikardp98 . You two must have just not been very competitive in WoW PvP. Macros will absolutely give someone an advantage over someone who does not use them. All the targeting macros you use in arenas absolutely give you an advantage because you are so much faster to react to other targets. Or macroing your pet to follow you before you drop a trap so that the warrior doesn't taunt it to break the trap? Macros absolutely give you an advantage in PvP. If you claim that they don't give you an advantage then it probably means that you were never very competitive. I have never needed to use targeting marcos, and i have also not played hunter. I play Druid, yes they have some macros but non that I needed. As I said, this is my experience and from what you have said, targeting macros and the hunter macro is so simple that it's something you can do without a macro, nothing game changing or a must have. In pvp arena what matters is mostly positioning, interrupting and then burst damage. Please stop talking if you don't know what you're talking about. You cannot play WoW arena at a high level without targeting macros (and other types of macros). You need to be able to instantly shadowstep kick the healer once you see him casting. Switching to him instantly with a targeting macro is how you do that effectively. Macros are absolutely an advantage in WoW PvP.
rikardp98 wrote: » vmangman wrote: » rikardp98 wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Heruwolf wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Those macros and more can absolutely be used in PvP and are very useful and macros in WoW absolutely give the user an edge over someone who doesn't. Especially in PvP. You're gonna have a hard time convincing most WoW players that macros are a bad thing. Currently in WoW you can't do anything more with the Macro system that I can't do with just the macro buttons on my keyboard. I can setup a macro on my keyboard to click two buttons at the same time, giving me an advantage over someone who's playing with a dell keyboard. However, add in the macro system in game, now I have no advantage. Most of the macros that one builds in WoW is to get around bad game mechanics to begin with. For example: #showtooltip /use Barbed Shot /use [@ pettarget]Claw /use [@ pettarget]Bite /use [@ pettarget]Smack The reason a macro like this is used to begin with is because the auto cast system that Blizzard implemented can randomly delay the cast of the hunters pet ability by 1-4 seconds, varying wildly. Yet, you could also just bind this same ability to a different hotkey and then have your keyboard press that button every time you push any of your other rotational abilities. Same thing as I previously stated: #showtooltip /use [@ cursor]Volley This macro simply auto confirms the placement of the ground target ability rather than having to left click to confirm. I can tell you right now, this macro has failed me an equal amount of times as it has helped me. The amount of times this macro ends up putting my Volley on some random lip of the wall texture instead of on the ground where the mobs are is infuriating. Now don't get me wrong, if Intrepid builds systems that don't have this issue and has an auto confirm option, then awesome, no complaints. But the reality is that they probably won't. I'd welcome to be proven wrong. There will always be someone somewhere that wants to be able to do something else with an ability than the game allows. Macros limit that a bit. This entire thread really needs to get off of the "macros are cheating" mentality, cause it's flat wrong. This is an MMO that is being designed for PC. To tell me that you won't have ANY macros at all, is just bad design. So I have to manually type out my recruitment message for my guild every time I want to send it? Or would pasting it from a notepad be an option. Is ctrl+v not considered a macro as well? Cause I can tell you right now, it is. This is also for @rikardp98 . You two must have just not been very competitive in WoW PvP. Macros will absolutely give someone an advantage over someone who does not use them. All the targeting macros you use in arenas absolutely give you an advantage because you are so much faster to react to other targets. Or macroing your pet to follow you before you drop a trap so that the warrior doesn't taunt it to break the trap? Macros absolutely give you an advantage in PvP. If you claim that they don't give you an advantage then it probably means that you were never very competitive. I have never needed to use targeting marcos, and i have also not played hunter. I play Druid, yes they have some macros but non that I needed. As I said, this is my experience and from what you have said, targeting macros and the hunter macro is so simple that it's something you can do without a macro, nothing game changing or a must have. In pvp arena what matters is mostly positioning, interrupting and then burst damage. Please stop talking if you don't know what you're talking about. You cannot play WoW arena at a high level without targeting macros (and other types of macros). You need to be able to instantly shadowstep kick the healer once you see him casting. Switching to him instantly with a targeting macro is how you do that effectively. Macros are absolutely an advantage in WoW PvP. i will not stop talking because I'm talking from my own experience, and if you have experience with that you need targeting marcos then you should talk about that, not say "shut up". The shadowstep+kick marco is a macro I have never used before. The target=focus is a interesting targeting mechanic that I have not really used before. I can see situations were this macro can really save time and give you an advantage. I'm not really sure what to think about that, being able to store a target by /focus is extremely powerful.
vmangman wrote: » rikardp98 wrote: » vmangman wrote: » rikardp98 wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Heruwolf wrote: » vmangman wrote: » Those macros and more can absolutely be used in PvP and are very useful and macros in WoW absolutely give the user an edge over someone who doesn't. Especially in PvP. You're gonna have a hard time convincing most WoW players that macros are a bad thing. Currently in WoW you can't do anything more with the Macro system that I can't do with just the macro buttons on my keyboard. I can setup a macro on my keyboard to click two buttons at the same time, giving me an advantage over someone who's playing with a dell keyboard. However, add in the macro system in game, now I have no advantage. Most of the macros that one builds in WoW is to get around bad game mechanics to begin with. For example: #showtooltip /use Barbed Shot /use [@ pettarget]Claw /use [@ pettarget]Bite /use [@ pettarget]Smack The reason a macro like this is used to begin with is because the auto cast system that Blizzard implemented can randomly delay the cast of the hunters pet ability by 1-4 seconds, varying wildly. Yet, you could also just bind this same ability to a different hotkey and then have your keyboard press that button every time you push any of your other rotational abilities. Same thing as I previously stated: #showtooltip /use [@ cursor]Volley This macro simply auto confirms the placement of the ground target ability rather than having to left click to confirm. I can tell you right now, this macro has failed me an equal amount of times as it has helped me. The amount of times this macro ends up putting my Volley on some random lip of the wall texture instead of on the ground where the mobs are is infuriating. Now don't get me wrong, if Intrepid builds systems that don't have this issue and has an auto confirm option, then awesome, no complaints. But the reality is that they probably won't. I'd welcome to be proven wrong. There will always be someone somewhere that wants to be able to do something else with an ability than the game allows. Macros limit that a bit. This entire thread really needs to get off of the "macros are cheating" mentality, cause it's flat wrong. This is an MMO that is being designed for PC. To tell me that you won't have ANY macros at all, is just bad design. So I have to manually type out my recruitment message for my guild every time I want to send it? Or would pasting it from a notepad be an option. Is ctrl+v not considered a macro as well? Cause I can tell you right now, it is. This is also for @rikardp98 . You two must have just not been very competitive in WoW PvP. Macros will absolutely give someone an advantage over someone who does not use them. All the targeting macros you use in arenas absolutely give you an advantage because you are so much faster to react to other targets. Or macroing your pet to follow you before you drop a trap so that the warrior doesn't taunt it to break the trap? Macros absolutely give you an advantage in PvP. If you claim that they don't give you an advantage then it probably means that you were never very competitive. I have never needed to use targeting marcos, and i have also not played hunter. I play Druid, yes they have some macros but non that I needed. As I said, this is my experience and from what you have said, targeting macros and the hunter macro is so simple that it's something you can do without a macro, nothing game changing or a must have. In pvp arena what matters is mostly positioning, interrupting and then burst damage. Please stop talking if you don't know what you're talking about. You cannot play WoW arena at a high level without targeting macros (and other types of macros). You need to be able to instantly shadowstep kick the healer once you see him casting. Switching to him instantly with a targeting macro is how you do that effectively. Macros are absolutely an advantage in WoW PvP. i will not stop talking because I'm talking from my own experience, and if you have experience with that you need targeting marcos then you should talk about that, not say "shut up". The shadowstep+kick marco is a macro I have never used before. The target=focus is a interesting targeting mechanic that I have not really used before. I can see situations were this macro can really save time and give you an advantage. I'm not really sure what to think about that, being able to store a target by /focus is extremely powerful. Yes, it's very powerful. You need to stop talking because I explained to you how these macros give an advantage if you're trying to be competitive in PvP and even though you have clearly not tried to be competitive in PvP, you contradict me and act like you know what I'm talking about. If you have not used a basic macro such as shadowstep kick (or something similar for whatever class you are playing) on your focus target so that you can interrupt the healer's cast, then you do not understand how powerful macros can be. These macros are insanely powerful and you cannot compete in WoW PvP without them. Period. Macros can give great advantages to those who use them and I am glad that Intrepid doesn't allow them. Edit: What you're doing is the equivalent of you telling me that cars aren't faster than bikes because you never drive over 20 mph... just because you don't use macros (the car) to their full potential, it doesn't mean that the macros (the car) can't do a lot more than what you're using them for.
Tyranthraxus wrote: » In SWG, you were able to multi-instance and run macros to gather resources and /forage items, such as the ingredients you needed for the Ice Cream Man collection. You and I may not have considered this cheating, since we were paying for subs (3, in my case), but I'm sure there are plenty of people who would look at something like this and consider it as cheating. Long live SWG! I played Legends for a couple more years, stating in 2016. If it had better gameplay (i.e. collision-detection that wasn't knee-high) and better graphics, I'd still be playing SWG: Legends, to this day. It was a much better game than SWTOR - even if SWTOR had far-better PvE content.
PollexTroy wrote: » Its just the sad truth of it. MMO mouse and keyboard will provide macros for combat. Any competitive advantage will be used and abused. You will be at a distinct disadvantage if you don't use a macro mouse and or keyboard in PVP/PVE combat.
Warth wrote: » PollexTroy wrote: » Its just the sad truth of it. MMO mouse and keyboard will provide macros for combat. Any competitive advantage will be used and abused. You will be at a distinct disadvantage if you don't use a macro mouse and or keyboard in PVP/PVE combat. There has been a very long history of MMOs, where the Mouse/Keyboard macros were flagged by the MMO's anti cheating system and led to bans, which sparked the usual "i got banned for no reason" hate threads in the forums). It comes down to one simple thing, If the macro offer functionalities, that go against the terms of service, you may get banned, whether it's utilizing Keyboard/Mouse software, a 3rd party program or a bug in the game internal system (assuming of course, that their anti-cheating systems work properly). Unless Intrepid installs a rootkit, they wouldn't be able to differentiate between inputs through third party software and inputs through keyboard/mouses anyway.
rikardp98 wrote: » PollexTroy wrote: » Its just the sad truth of it. MMO mouse and keyboard will provide macros for combat. Any competitive advantage will be used and abused. You will be at a distinct disadvantage if you don't use a macro mouse and or keyboard in PVP/PVE combat. Yeah that's true, just as keybinds is a Warth wrote: » PollexTroy wrote: » Its just the sad truth of it. MMO mouse and keyboard will provide macros for combat. Any competitive advantage will be used and abused. You will be at a distinct disadvantage if you don't use a macro mouse and or keyboard in PVP/PVE combat. There has been a very long history of MMOs, where the Mouse/Keyboard macros were flagged by the MMO's anti cheating system and led to bans, which sparked the usual "i got banned for no reason" hate threads in the forums). It comes down to one simple thing, If the macro offer functionalities, that go against the terms of service, you may get banned, whether it's utilizing Keyboard/Mouse software, a 3rd party program or a bug in the game internal system (assuming of course, that their anti-cheating systems work properly). Unless Intrepid installs a rootkit, they wouldn't be able to differentiate between inputs through third party software and inputs through keyboard/mouses anyway. How about special made keyboards like the razer taurus, or a mouse with side buttons? Should these also be against tos? And if so, what kind of keyboard and mouse should be allowed? I personally don't think ashes will be a game where one need combat macros, I just feel like macro is very useful outside of combat when it comes to changing gear with /equip commands, saving curtain texts like "Enchanter LFW...." (I know there will be shops but advertisement is always good). If IP implement a in-game macro system they will have full control over the macros and can easily identify macro from their own system.
