Which cleric / healer do you think is best for PVP? And to hunt alone?

I've always liked healers, but beyond support they can't do much more.

This seems to be changing in Ashes, so you think it's better for pvp, for groups and for hunting alone.

pvp: Cleric / Bard? Cleric / Mage? Cleric / summoner?

In group: Cleric / bard?

Hunt alone: Cleric / summoner? Cleric / Mage?

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Warth

Noaani wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

Just because there is less potential gain doesn't change the fact it's a system to encourage meaningful pvp.

Explain to me, please, how the corruption system encourages open world PvP.

He never said that it encourages open world pvp. He said that it encourages meaningful PvP aka PvP with a tangible gain rather than PvP just for fucks sake/to grief someone.

Which is indeed what it does. It encourages to restrict yourself to only PK when its meaningful.

I do not think that this is the topic of le thread though

Noaani

Warth wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

Just because there is less potential gain doesn't change the fact it's a system to encourage meaningful pvp.

Explain to me, please, how the corruption system encourages open world PvP.

He never said that it encourages open world pvp. He said that it encourages meaningful PvP aka PvP with a tangible gain rather than PvP just for fucks sake/to grief someone.

Which is indeed what it does. It encourages to restrict yourself to only PK when its meaningful.

I do not think that this is the topic of le thread though

I would agree that it discourages meaningless PvP - which I think is the point you are trying to make.

If corruption is discouraging meanless PvP, then now explain to me how that is not an attempt to focus the PvP desires of players in to PvP forms that do not involve corruption.

That is, after all, what I said.

mcstackerson

Noaani wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

Just because there is less potential gain doesn't change the fact it's a system to encourage meaningful pvp.

Explain to me, please, how the corruption system encourages open world PvP.

He never said that it encourages open world pvp. He said that it encourages meaningful PvP aka PvP with a tangible gain rather than PvP just for fucks sake/to grief someone.

Which is indeed what it does. It encourages to restrict yourself to only PK when its meaningful.

I do not think that this is the topic of le thread though

I would agree that it discourages meaningless PvP - which I think is the point you are trying to make.

If corruption is discouraging meanless PvP, then now explain to me how that is not an attempt to focus the PvP desires of players in to PvP forms that do not involve corruption.

That is, after all, what I said.

Here is what i quoted:

Noaani wrote: »

While you are right that the game is designed around meaningful PvP, the best, easiest description of what Intrepid mean by meaningful PvP would be anything that doesn't involve the corruption system.

Tell me if i'm misinterpreting this but it looks like you are saying that meaningful pvp is anything that doesn't involve corruption, which to me, implies you are saying the corruption system isn't a form of meaningful pvp.

Yes, the system encourages you to go after those higher yielding, lower risk activities but the frequency of those activities is unknown. It's probably not going to be every day that you are able to catch people running caravans or will get caught up in a node siege. It will probably be more common for you to come in conflict with players while farming in the open world outside of those activities.

Noaani

mcstackerson wrote: »

Yes, the system encourages you to go after those higher yielding.

This is whay I am saying, why are you arguing this point?

Assuming that you agree that it is Intrepids design intention, if you are then saying that you do not think those events will happen often enough, you are basically saying you have no faith in Intrepid dsigning a good game.

I mean, if that is their intent - to use corruption to encourage people in to those other forms of PvP - then OBVIOUSLY they will make sure those other forms of PvP are frequent enough to meet that design intent.

Leiloni

nilv wrote: »

My +15 years of MMORPG experience says that it will be High Priest. If you don’t play it, you will be outside of the META and no one is going to take you into groups. Also you won’t be able to hunt alone with any of the healers. If you try, you will be ganked by groups of people and there is no way around that. So I would really suggest if you are interested in playing AoC start preparing your premade group of people and then just play with those people. Constant parties FTW!

⇻ theNILV ⇺

I don't think so. I think Cleric/X anything will be able to main heal a party and Cleric/Cleric will be overkill to the point where you're going to start wanting a different secondary who can do something more than heal. I think this will be true for every archetype - each will be able to perform their role regardless of secondary class. I think Cleric/Cleric will be overkill in many situations outside of perhaps large scale PvP raids or PvE raids, where you may want a couple Cleric/Cleric for the extra heals they can offer. But you won't need them in most content, so I think players will find a lot of different Cleric combos useful. Especially since you'll run into PvP, PvE, solo, group all in the same build - since the game is open world I think builds that can do other things will be more useful. But I also think your secondary class and it's usefulness will also largely depend on what the rest of your group is running.

CounselorMin

I have always played a healer. Always. Main'ed a priest in WOW from day 1 of the game, through every expansion except WoD and Legion. I really hope they bring a completely different healing kit for multiple classes. It is a disappointment to me to learn the primary healer for throughout the game is only the cleric, and so I hope there's a world of difference between all the 8 archetypes. Haven't dove in to the game yet to see how they're different, so would certainly appreciate any updated information if there is any on this topic. Thanks for the original post, OP.

Alsop

There is no info about skills from 10 to 50, so no one knows for sure.
I would like to see something like a nature healers that heals over time and adds cc resistances and extra armor (maybe the summon/cleric will handle that roll?). My best experience as a healer was on albion as a nature healer, a guy high on weeds casting area healing over time with a huge wooden staff, increasing armor values of his team , replenising mana and taking off stuns from his tem mates. Yes, it may never heal as well as a holy healer, but the constant healing means that the party never has to stop, it is continuous gameplay without any pause.

Also it was always funny to equip a tank armor, use the ability that surrounded you with brambles that damage the enemies that hit you and see how the dual dagger assassin killed himself by hitting you.

Gannito

Although the main topic of the thread was different, here is a question about pvp:

- Once you die in a solitary pvp, another one of wars, or alliances, or sieges to castles / nodes (I don't know what the sieges will be), will you lose experience points? That is, since they talk about L2, yes, I also come from that game, and one of the things that made me hate pvp was precisely losing experience points, which then took you a month to recover, because you did not have the enough time to recover soon, nor the right equipment to hunt depending on what or not you could go with your usual group. The xp loss theme will make me play this game pvp or just to enjoy it, without getting into trouble.

Gannito

Gannito wrote: »

Although the main topic of the thread was different, here is a question about pvp:

- Once you die in a solitary pvp, another one of wars, or alliances, or sieges to castles / nodes (I don't know what the sieges will be), will you lose experience points? That is, since they talk about L2, yes, I also come from that game, and one of the things that made me hate pvp was precisely losing experience points, which then took you a month to recover, because you did not have the enough time to recover soon, nor the right equipment to hunt depending on what or not you could go with your usual group. The xp loss theme will make me play this game pvp or just to enjoy it, without getting into trouble.

Sorry, for this, here

> https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/48637/death-penalty-what-do-we-want#latest

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