Pay-wall on the CC in advance

So Intrepid is considering releasing the character creator in advance only for people that pre-order the game... This gives a couple of hours headstart for people not having to worry about creating their characters at launch. I have a pre-order pack, this doesn't affect me, still I think this is messed up. Big step in the wrong direction. What happened to the "We don't need your money" ?

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Liniker

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Even though @Liniker's method of delivery is abrasive, they're right. Early access for character creation is pay-for-convenience.

I will try to be kind and lovely from now on, my bad

Liniker

Merek wrote: »

Gotta say though, you're building a really solid, good reputation for your guild with these posts. Keep it up.

All good, add us to your blacklist and try to do something about it in-game. My guild will be easy to find, If you end up on our server just look for the top-ranking players/guilds on each PvP season

a lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep

Liniker

sarkado wrote: »

Let's all remember that many of us who pre-order certain packs get a 1-2 day head start, so you've already lost me because I've already made 2 days worth of farming ahead of your 1 hour lost to creating a character.

To bad nobody gonna roll on a headstart server besides 3/4 guilds lmao, and last time I checked they will make it separate and let people know which servers are headstart... so sorry but big nope

Noaani

Liniker wrote: »

Merek wrote: »

Gotta say though, you're building a really solid, good reputation for your guild with these posts. Keep it up.

All good, add us to your blacklist and try to do something about it in-game. My guild will be easy to find, If you end up on our server just look for the top-ranking players/guilds on each PvP season

a lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep

You're the sheep here though.

So, to my knowledge, you've not said what you would rather Intrepid do. This thread is full if you complaining without offering a potential solution, absolutely sheep behavior.

Nerror

I think the smartest thing Intrepid can do is to make a great character creator and just release it as a completely free stand-alone download with no strings attached other than perhaps an Intrepid account. Or maybe only require the account if people want to save their creations. No name reservations of course, unless you have that pack already.

Chances are much higher people will actually pay for a month of subscription AFTER they have made that kick-ass character in the creator. I don't really see a downside to it, unless they release a buggy POS.

Noaani

Nerror wrote: »

I think the smartest thing Intrepid can do is to make a great character creator and just release it as a completely free stand-alone download with no strings attached other than perhaps an Intrepid account.

They essentially have this, except it is a game account not an Intrepid account.

In order to get a game account though, you need to have game time.

Gizban

Liniker wrote: »

pyreal wrote: »

You are doing a disservice to this endeavor with your deceptions.

@pyreal you wrote that because I didn't list ALL the packages and said "and so on..." at the end..... and I am the one using sketchy wording.... it is clearly just an example, everyone here knows pre-order packs start at 75$, your "new comer" argument doesn't belong in this discussion, and even if packages where 30$ that's not even the point, the point is that they Are more expensive than the entry-level of 15$ from the sub. Moving on...

pyreal wrote: »

Is it because it gives someone an unspecific, unspecified, subjective head start from 3 minutes to 3 hours in a game that that will take approximately 225 HOURS to reach max level, which in itself is not 'beating the game'?
So the heinous '1 hour advantage' equates to a 1 in 225 PAY TO WIN!

Again, your argument is wrong, dangerous for the game and Needs to be ignored. It DOESN'T matter if its 3 minutes, 3 hours or 600 hours advantage. you asked me HOW is that an advantage, and you answered it. It SAVES TIME; That's the advantage.

I literally saw your same argument being used to defend MULTIPLE p2w games saying "oohhh but this item only gives a 5% boost- ohh but this will only help you a tiny bit" I disagree with you 100% I couldn't care less if it's 1 minute or 1000 hours or if some cash shop item gives me 0,1% XP boost or 1000% XP boost, a Convenience is a convenience, an advantage is an advantage, and P2W is P2W (obviously not saying ashes is p2w if they implement that but still, it's unfair)

So if "everyone here knows pre-order packs start at $75", why are you throwing out big pre-order pack prices? And why do you list one as $500, when the highest pre-order pack on the store today is $375?

/e sniffs, his face twisting in revulsion

You are conflating a buyable item that DIRECTLY AFFECTS your character/performance, with a launch window pre-order bonus that does NOTHING to your character, and cannot be 'used' while in the game world.

I have decided you are silly, and perhaps shall leave you to your silliness.

Noaani

pyreal wrote: »

I have decided you are silly, and perhaps shall leave you to your silliness.

I agree.

This thread is - to me - as silly as the idea of duel wielding shields, which has official Intrepid agreement as being silly.

Mennis

We are 2-3 years before release, these guys are being open about the development. They are trying to add a handy, cool feature to the game, why are we mixing money into this already. It's an option, if you want you pay for it, otherwise you wait. Most games dont even have features likes this. When you give a hand they want to take your whole arm kinda situation.

Liniker

Noaani wrote: »

You're the sheep here though.

So, to my knowledge, you've not said what you would rather Intrepid do. This thread is full if you complaining without offering a potential solution, absolutely sheep behavior.

pyreal wrote: »

I have decided you are silly, and perhaps shall leave you to your silliness.

@Noaani @pyreal I offered multiple solutions, you crybabies are the ones complaining about my thread lmao

I did offer a solution plus; the company DIRECTOR said that even Negative feedback Without solutions like "this sucks" are Welcome.

You kids get offended by someone criticizing a company or some decision. You and all these fanboys are the reason why the MMORPG genre went to shit, I dealt with the same fanboys in multiple games, defending every move and going against every single negative feedback given. You are the problem. Please do as you said and don't reply to my threads again.

Songcaller

You can catch more flies with honey than you can with salt. Is there a need to be so aggressive in your stance? We have given enough reasons to show how the concept is perfectly acceptable. If your only response is to criticise and name call, then your argument falls short.

Liniker

Neurath wrote: »

You can catch more flies with honey than you can with salt. Is there a need to be so aggressive in your stance? We have given enough reasons to show how the concept is perfectly acceptable. If your only response is to criticise and name call, then your argument falls short.

I'm not worried about catching flies. Nor am I worried about changing your opinions. I have given all the reasons why I think early access for character creation is pay-for-convenience if they only release it for backers, as others also agreed on this thread.

I am only being abrasive with people that are trying to change the narrative cuz they get offended by feedback. You can disagree all you want, that's fine, just don't tell me I'm doing a "disservice" or I'm a "sheep cuz I am complaining"(?) absolute nonsense....

bloodprophet

Best part is a two page scrap over something that won't exist.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Character_creator

Leiloni

maouw wrote: »

I understood it as:
purchase game before you can create a character

The other option is to store the character creator data on client's local files and then import them serverside during actual character creation - then anyone can create a character, but only subscribers can actually play.

This doesn't use any server resources, but the downside is that it could (?) put more pressure on the servers during launch since everyone will be bombarding the server with premade character datasets.
Whereas a pre-launch character creator that sets up a character on the server before launch avoids this - but then you won't want non-subscribers to create characters on the server rent free.

I think that's what FFXIV did at launch maybe?

Liniker

bloodprophet wrote: »

Best part is a two page scrap over something that won't exist.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Character_creator

@bloodprophet Maybe you missed the last livestream Q&A segment, timestamp is 01:14:40

https://youtu.be/YGQWEQK2iWI?t=4478

Songcaller

Steven said 'We haven't made a decision yet but we'll let you know when we've made a decision.' I don't see what the issue is. So far, you're the only person who is complaining about the issue when the issue may or may not even exist.

bloodprophet

Try again 1:14:40
In previous streams they have talked about giving it out ahead of time and having contests maybe.
Still a non answer concerning a non issue.

Liniker

Neurath wrote: »

Steven said 'We haven't made a decision yet but we'll let you know when we've made a decision.' I don't see what the issue is. So far, you're the only person who is complaining about the issue when the issue may or may not even exist.

@Neurath @bloodprophet I'm confused, so you guys are saying we need to Wait, for something we disagreed to be implemented, and only then after it's already implemented, we can give feedback and talk about it?

If tomorrow intrepid says: "We still don't know if we gonna bring guns to Ashes of creation and make it a shooter, we are considering it" You will just wait, rely on "maybe they won't do it" and talk about it after it's done?

Songcaller

I don't understand the aversion. It's like arguing against the whole games industry who gives pre-order bonuses for all of the games bought prier to release. I personally see the issue as gaming the quality because a lot of games are incomplete or a buggy mess at launch.

If IS can iron out all of the issues and give those people who have backed an earlier access to a character creation and name reservations, then, I would not be against it because the same argument can be used against the Kickstarter benefits compared to all the current packages available.

Sometimes, you must take the rough with the smooth and sometimes you can bend the rules. If someone wants to wait until launch day to buy in then that is a choice someone makes. There is no reason to stump all of the backers in an attempt to appease people who may or may not play ever. The argument is the same argument you applied with guns.

bloodprophet

No I said it won't be there. Not wait and see.
I think everyone with an account will have access and Margret Or Toast will run a community event or two around it. Again restating it won't be there.
But to play devil's advocate "IF" they chose to go they way. So what? I have never spent more the 15 minutes in any creator. Don't understand how anyone can spend and hour or 2 being so indecisive on something so small.

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