Class System, does it need Overhaul?

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

Does it matter?

Just inform him or show him where to find the correct information.

If he accepts it then pat yourself on the back because you helped the community!
If he doesn't and he argues or doesn't accept your source then you might have cause for discourse.

This forum is so full of negativity, I've admittedly contributed to it a few times, but only in a heavy discussion. Not unprompted like in this thread and some others.

Edit: I guess it matters if what you meant is that there's misinformation on the wiki. In that case yea that's kind of an issue lol

Dreoh wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

Does it matter?

Just inform him or show him where to find the correct information.

If he accepts it then pat yourself on the back because you helped the community!
If he doesn't and he argues or doesn't accept your source then you might have cause for discourse.

This forum is so full of negativity, I've admittedly contributed to it a few times, but only in a heavy discussion. Not unprompted like in this thread and some others.

If it does matter? Sure if i found any interest it clearly does matter for me.

Sure those 2 seems like reasonable possibilities that would happen from informing OP, sadly informing him wasn't my intention, as it was already done....

Oh that's amusing, you found my interest/curiosity to be somewhat negative? Quite a far reach.

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

Does it matter?

Just inform him or show him where to find the correct information.

If he accepts it then pat yourself on the back because you helped the community!
If he doesn't and he argues or doesn't accept your source then you might have cause for discourse.

This forum is so full of negativity, I've admittedly contributed to it a few times, but only in a heavy discussion. Not unprompted like in this thread and some others.

If it does matter? Sure if i found any interest it clearly does matter for me.

Sure those 2 seems like reasonable possibilities that would happen from informing OP, sadly informing him wasn't my intention, as it was already done....

Oh that's amusing, you found my interest/curiosity to be somewhat negative? Quite a far reach.

Fair enough

Though I wasn't saying you were being negative, that's kind of a reach.

Dreoh wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

Does it matter?

Just inform him or show him where to find the correct information.

If he accepts it then pat yourself on the back because you helped the community!
If he doesn't and he argues or doesn't accept your source then you might have cause for discourse.

This forum is so full of negativity, I've admittedly contributed to it a few times, but only in a heavy discussion. Not unprompted like in this thread and some others.

If it does matter? Sure if i found any interest it clearly does matter for me.

Sure those 2 seems like reasonable possibilities that would happen from informing OP, sadly informing him wasn't my intention, as it was already done....

Oh that's amusing, you found my interest/curiosity to be somewhat negative? Quite a far reach.

Fair enough

Though I wasn't saying you were being negative, that's kind of a reach.

"This forum is so full of negativity, I've admittedly contributed to it a few times, but only in a heavy discussion. Not unprompted like in this thread and some others."

I mean you used this phrase in my quote/reply, so yeah... sure.

And yes my intent/interest was the possibility of incorrect information on the wiki.

Dreoh wrote: »

Bro, do you just get off on being contradictory and negative?

Nope, and I'm not sure why you would think either of those things.

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

Does it matter?

Just inform him or show him where to find the correct information.

If he accepts it then pat yourself on the back because you helped the community!
If he doesn't and he argues or doesn't accept your source then you might have cause for discourse.

This forum is so full of negativity, I've admittedly contributed to it a few times, but only in a heavy discussion. Not unprompted like in this thread and some others.

If it does matter? Sure if i found any interest it clearly does matter for me.

Sure those 2 seems like reasonable possibilities that would happen from informing OP, sadly informing him wasn't my intention, as it was already done....

Oh that's amusing, you found my interest/curiosity to be somewhat negative? Quite a far reach.

Fair enough

Though I wasn't saying you were being negative, that's kind of a reach.

"This forum is so full of negativity, I've admittedly contributed to it a few times, but only in a heavy discussion. Not unprompted like in this thread and some others."

I mean you used this phrase in my quote/reply, so yeah... sure.

And yes my intent/interest was the possibility of incorrect information on the wiki.

If you took it that way I sincerely apologize, that line wasn't directed at you or your quote at all.
It seems like my tendency to do multiple lines of thought in a single comment confuses people as it has for @Noaani and you just now

As for @Noaani anyone can just read through your post history and see. That's not an exaggeration, I implore anyone who thinks I'm being hyperbolic to see for themselves.

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

As am I.

For someone to be that wrong, they usually have a piece of information in their head that they got from somewhere and they just assumed it was right (usually Reddit). Intil that piece of information is identified and corrected, they will continue to have the wrong idea.

Since I couldn't figure out how the OP got as misinformed as they did, I didn't see a point in trying to correct them. Rather, the best thing to do was (and still is) on my opinion to let them know they have it wrong so that they can identify why they are so far off.

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

As am I.

For someone to be that wrong, they usually have a piece of information in their head that they got from somewhere and they just assumed it was right (usually Reddit). Intil that piece of information is identified and corrected, they will continue to have the wrong idea.

Since I couldn't figure out how the OP got as misinformed as they did, I didn't see a point in trying to correct them. Rather, the best thing to do was (and still is) on my opinion to let them know they have it wrong so that they can identify why they are so far off.

You're wrong.

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

As am I.

For someone to be that wrong, they usually have a piece of information in their head that they got from somewhere and they just assumed it was right (usually Reddit). Intil that piece of information is identified and corrected, they will continue to have the wrong idea.

Since I couldn't figure out how the OP got as misinformed as they did, I didn't see a point in trying to correct them. Rather, the best thing to do was (and still is) on my opinion to let them know they have it wrong so that they can identify why they are so far off.

I thought of the possibility of incorrect information on the wiki, because of the following sentence OP used: "Reading from the wiki it said"
I would've honestly and definitely informed him of what he got wrong and what is correct as it helps the community in a pretty positive way, information is never too much in my opinion, but it was already done by the time i got here.

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

As am I.

For someone to be that wrong, they usually have a piece of information in their head that they got from somewhere and they just assumed it was right (usually Reddit). Intil that piece of information is identified and corrected, they will continue to have the wrong idea.

Since I couldn't figure out how the OP got as misinformed as they did, I didn't see a point in trying to correct them. Rather, the best thing to do was (and still is) on my opinion to let them know they have it wrong so that they can identify why they are so far off.

I thought of the possibility of incorrect information on the wiki.

As did I.

If I saw something on the wiki that looked like it could have been where the OP got the wrong info from, I would then have had something to correct. Problem is, the OP was wrong on almost everything they thought about the class system.

Trying to correct people when you can't see how they got to the conclusion they got to is much harder than just saying they got to the wrong conclusion and leaving them to work out the why part of that

Since the OP already made it obvious that they were happy to try and look things up for themselves, I saw (and still see) no point in doing more than pointing out that they are misinformed - made even more true by the fact that there was a direct question asked as to whether they were misinformed or not.

Others may offer up more than that, and good for them. I'm one to let people at least try and find the correct info themself - especially when they have made it obvious that they are willing to do that. If someone is looking for information themself and is on the wrong path, pointing out that they are on the wrong path is all that should be needed, imo. They can then go back and try and find that right path.

Even with others telling him what it is that he got wrong, the OP will still no doubt have spent several hours on the wiki looking at what information is there - exactly the same as he would if my reply was the only one to this thread.

Maybe people would think it less of an issue if I used a smily face or some shit.

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

As am I.

For someone to be that wrong, they usually have a piece of information in their head that they got from somewhere and they just assumed it was right (usually Reddit). Intil that piece of information is identified and corrected, they will continue to have the wrong idea.

Since I couldn't figure out how the OP got as misinformed as they did, I didn't see a point in trying to correct them. Rather, the best thing to do was (and still is) on my opinion to let them know they have it wrong so that they can identify why they are so far off.

I thought of the possibility of incorrect information on the wiki.

As did I.

If I saw something on the wiki that looked like it could have been where the OP got the wrong info from, I would then have had something to correct. Problem is, the OP was wrong on almost everything they thought about the class system.

Trying to correct people when you can't see how they got to the conclusion they got to is much harder than just saying they got to the wrong conclusion and leaving them to work out the why part of that

Since the OP already made it obvious that they were happy to try and look things up for themselves, I saw (and still see) no point in doing more than pointing out that they are misinformed - made even more true by the fact that there was a direct question asked as to whether they were misinformed or not.

Others may offer up more than that, and good for them. I'm one to let people at least try and find the correct info themself - especially when they have made it obvious that they are willing to do that. If someone is looking for information themself and is on the wrong path, pointing out that they are on the wrong path is all that should be needed, imo. They can then go back and try and find that right path.

Even with others telling him what it is that he got wrong, the OP will still no doubt have spent several hours on the wiki looking at what information is there - exactly the same as he would if my reply was the only one to this thread.

Maybe people would think it less of an issue if I used a smily face or some shit.

Aka, being a dick

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

As am I.

For someone to be that wrong, they usually have a piece of information in their head that they got from somewhere and they just assumed it was right (usually Reddit). Intil that piece of information is identified and corrected, they will continue to have the wrong idea.

Since I couldn't figure out how the OP got as misinformed as they did, I didn't see a point in trying to correct them. Rather, the best thing to do was (and still is) on my opinion to let them know they have it wrong so that they can identify why they are so far off.

I thought of the possibility of incorrect information on the wiki.

As did I.

If I saw something on the wiki that looked like it could have been where the OP got the wrong info from, I would then have had something to correct. Problem is, the OP was wrong on almost everything they thought about the class system.

Trying to correct people when you can't see how they got to the conclusion they got to is much harder than just saying they got to the wrong conclusion and leaving them to work out the why part of that

Since the OP already made it obvious that they were happy to try and look things up for themselves, I saw (and still see) no point in doing more than pointing out that they are misinformed - made even more true by the fact that there was a direct question asked as to whether they were misinformed or not.

Others may offer up more than that, and good for them. I'm one to let people at least try and find the correct info themself - especially when they have made it obvious that they are willing to do that. If someone is looking for information themself and is on the wrong path, pointing out that they are on the wrong path is all that should be needed, imo. They can then go back and try and find that right path.

Even with others telling him what it is that he got wrong, the OP will still no doubt have spent several hours on the wiki looking at what information is there - exactly the same as he would if my reply was the only one to this thread.

Maybe people would think it less of an issue if I used a smily face or some shit.

Hm i understand your point of view and how you approached the post's question, it seems reasonable even tho it wouldn't be my method. Everyone has their own modus operandi and is entitled to their own opinions.
Some misunderstandings happens, as expressing intent through letters can be quite difficult sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s82xJnx1EY

Dreoh wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

As am I.

For someone to be that wrong, they usually have a piece of information in their head that they got from somewhere and they just assumed it was right (usually Reddit). Intil that piece of information is identified and corrected, they will continue to have the wrong idea.

Since I couldn't figure out how the OP got as misinformed as they did, I didn't see a point in trying to correct them. Rather, the best thing to do was (and still is) on my opinion to let them know they have it wrong so that they can identify why they are so far off.

I thought of the possibility of incorrect information on the wiki.

As did I.

If I saw something on the wiki that looked like it could have been where the OP got the wrong info from, I would then have had something to correct. Problem is, the OP was wrong on almost everything they thought about the class system.

Trying to correct people when you can't see how they got to the conclusion they got to is much harder than just saying they got to the wrong conclusion and leaving them to work out the why part of that

Since the OP already made it obvious that they were happy to try and look things up for themselves, I saw (and still see) no point in doing more than pointing out that they are misinformed - made even more true by the fact that there was a direct question asked as to whether they were misinformed or not.

Others may offer up more than that, and good for them. I'm one to let people at least try and find the correct info themself - especially when they have made it obvious that they are willing to do that. If someone is looking for information themself and is on the wrong path, pointing out that they are on the wrong path is all that should be needed, imo. They can then go back and try and find that right path.

Even with others telling him what it is that he got wrong, the OP will still no doubt have spent several hours on the wiki looking at what information is there - exactly the same as he would if my reply was the only one to this thread.

Maybe people would think it less of an issue if I used a smily face or some shit.

Aka, being a dick

Question; am I misinformed about this thing?
Answer; yes.

Where is being a dick in that?

You seem to have forgotten, the OP specifically asked if they were misinformed, I answered that question in a way that leaves no ambiguity at all.

A dick is the kind of person that would claim someone that just gave a direct answer to a direct person is being a dick.

Palagos

Thank you all for your help. It's obvious that you all try to help in your own way and I appreciate it a lot.

@JamesSunderland I tried to find the page from the wiki but I couldn't find it, I am not sure if I simply misread or it was stated in another page on the wiki other than the class page.

@Noaani I appreciate your help but it's honestly hard to know you were helping from your first comment. Your reply didn't contribute in any way, since I said I read on the wiki it was a certain way and you said it was wrong, I was unsure if wiki was wrong and where to find information. Also I asked other questions which you didn't contend with in any way. You can answer any way you want but because of that initial minimal answer you have written almost an essay explaining yourself, might just be faster to go the extra step next time but judging from your answers you don't want to, and that's fine too but this might happen to you again.

Edit: Spelling error

akabear

@Palagos welcome to the community.

Next month the NDA will be lifted and with a bit of luck there might just be a gradual shift away from quoting and miss quoting and counter quoting of what the wiki or Steven and/or what Tom, Dick and Harriet believe they know or don`t know on the forums to some visual diversions and more vibrant discussions.

McMackMuck

@Palagos Welcome! I only discovered Ashes 6 months ago and I also found some elements of the community to be a little cranky. I pop in here every few days to see what is being discussed.

MY OPINIONS...
I (try to) ignore comments I don't find helpful and just thank those that are helpful. That way I don't spend valuable minutes of my life unproductively wading into a mud slinging matches against random people on the internet.

If anyone is missing information on the game then I wholeheartedly recommend...
1) reading up on:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
https://ashes101.com/
I found that Jahlon's videos are quick way to absorb information as he's pretty direct; other official content creators are available! Search around and see which format you prefer. Within a couple of months, depending on your spare time, you should have caught up with the basic concepts.

2a) Ask QUESTIONS in the official Ashes of Creation Discord \ Questions channel.
There are a number of very responsive and well informed people there that will get you up to speed with the current state of the game development. There's no such thing as a dumb question, although knowing exactly how to ask the question so that it can be easily answered can sometimes be tricky (for me, at least!).

2b) Ask QUESTIONS in the Forum using "Ask A Question"
It doesn't seem to be as easy to find the Question creation as it should be, but I don't use this method so maybe I'm missing an easier route.
"CATEGORIES at the top of page, NEW DISCUSSION on the right hand side with 'Ask a Question' as a drop down box".
I think some elements of the (forum) community get a little annoyed when people use DISCUSSION to ask a question that shows they haven't done their research. They don't always stop to check if the poster is new or not before criticizing. I'm in favor of just pointing people at the above links.

I think it's healthy for us to focus on the common goal of seeing Ashes of Creation released with the best guidance/feedback we can collectively offer. It helps if you know the current state of the game development before starting discussions in the forum, otherwise some people may pick holes in your comments.

I hope this helps everyone that takes the time to read it!
Mack

Tulima

@Palagos Welcome to the community bro. I recommend lazypeons video on ashes. He gave a nice overview of the game.

Palagos

@Tulima @McMackMuck @akabear
Thank you all for the welcoming! Super excited for this game. I will definitely check out all the resources you linked!