I think limiting paid for cosmetics to 1 character and adding a cooldown for swapping are both terrible ideas. If I decided to buy a cosmetic item. I want to own that item and put it on whatever character I bloody well want to. I did pay for it, after all.
in game cosmetics limited to the character that unlocks them? I'm totally okay with. Weirdly enough.
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NagashMember, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Did we not just have the conversation last week?
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I fully support the limitations on cosmetics since I am most likely not even gonna be buying them.
You should already be happy enough that you are allowed to slap down cash to make your character prettier instead of going out and accomplishing something in game to get that pretty cosmetic.
I think most people are misunderstanding this whole issue...
How do we know that having one skin restricted to one character is a worse deal dollar wise than having unrestricted application.
Naturally, if AOC decides to make skins available on multiple characters, the price of those skins will increase versus a skin that is only available to one character. Are we trying to benchmark the pricing of skins against other games now? that doesn't seem reasonable or even possible at this state. We don't even know what constitutes as a fair or unfair price.
That being said, this decision offers more flexibility for players. If you play on one character then just buy 1 skin. If you play multiple characters then just buy 2 skins. Simple as that. Where as, in games where skins can be applied to multiple characters, players who use only 1 character are actually paying a premium on their purchase price (unknowingly). The best analogy is like someone who get super excited on bundle deals/sales, but after they don't even make use of what they bought. Or some bundle sales are not even sales because they are the same price if you bought individually, it is just to make you buy more than what you need.
Personally, I think limiting PAID cosmetics to 1 character at a time makes little to no sense other than for players to have to spend more money on cosmetics they think look cool.
Exactly. You are on point.
Yet, you are missing the point at the same time.
Game dev is a bussines my friend.
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PlateauMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
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PlateauMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
I think most people are misunderstanding this whole issue...
That being said, this decision offers more flexibility for players. If you play on one character then just buy 1 skin. If you play multiple characters then just buy 2 skins. Simple as that.
if anything it provides less in the opposing system if you buy 1 skin that isn't limited to 1 character instead of HAVING to purchase another skin for another character you can simply just use the one you previously purchased rather than making a player have to purchase more cosmetics. Even if your proposal is the reason why can we not actively buy multiple of the same pack/skins? it seems they didn't plan for this system.
you are assuming they're gonna charge the same price in both scenarios.
if money isn't an issue for you, then sure, having one skin useable for multiple characters is more straight forward
but then again, I don't see how an extra click to purchase one more skin is that much more effort.
as for your second point...who said you can‘t buy multiple skins on one account？the game isn't even out
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unknownsystemerrorMember, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One
as for your second point...who said you can‘t buy multiple skins on one account？the game isn't even out
So Steven will occasionally make statements that seem to contradict previous information when he gets excited or has many different things being thrown at him. They always get pointed out and they go back to clean it up. The system of cosmetics being account bound and being able to be used on a single character at at time has long been the answer. An errant maybe caused everyone to freak out a bit. As to your comment about multiple skins on one account? They have also addressed this in the past. I ended up with two because of a promotion, they ended up changing the second one on my account to another one, because duplicate skins have no use.
When I watched the discussion, I got the impression that Steven thought the question was about in-game progress and similar things.
His response was entirely focused on "gameplay progression" and the "alt experience" and "the commitment to a character"
I don't think his response was directed at all to things that are generally account-wide like cosmetics or achievements. I honestly think he misinterpreted the question, and the question was actually directed at those things.
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PlateauMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
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T ElfMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
I don't like the concept of having cooldowns for swapping cosmetics between alts on the same account. Early on we were told that we could only buy one of a cosmetic but we could freely swap them to alts on the same account. There is no valid reason why there should be a cooldown other to be punishing to players.
There is no valid reason why there should be a cooldown other to be punishing to players.
Giving meaningful consideration to when you play your main and your alts = punishment... interesting opinion.
I agree that it may suck if you were switching alts every 5 minutes. But if the cooldown is, say, in the range of a couple of hours, then you'll likely not even notice when playing your alt for a number of hours straight.
Hell, even if it were a 24h cooldown. It just means that you get to spend said 24h with one character. That pushes to you towards progressing that alt, rather than hot potatoing things.
And if you think you'll be changing alts every hour or so, then perhaps what cosmetic they use isn't really a priority that needs to addressed there.
It's a cash grab. There's nothing more to it than that. If you want to play dress-up with cosmetics, you have to buy each character their own outfit, or go through a ballache of unequipping/equipping/cooldown/etc every time you change characters. If you're happy with that, then spend away. If you're not, then vote with your feet and don't buy.
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bad opinion.
As soon as they have been given further proof that the cosmetics:
People freak out about wanting all the skins for all the characters.... what??
Not the same people, different people.
It's too easy to conflate everyone in a crowd into 1 identity.
in game cosmetics limited to the character that unlocks them? I'm totally okay with. Weirdly enough.
You should already be happy enough that you are allowed to slap down cash to make your character prettier instead of going out and accomplishing something in game to get that pretty cosmetic.
How do we know that having one skin restricted to one character is a worse deal dollar wise than having unrestricted application.
Naturally, if AOC decides to make skins available on multiple characters, the price of those skins will increase versus a skin that is only available to one character. Are we trying to benchmark the pricing of skins against other games now? that doesn't seem reasonable or even possible at this state. We don't even know what constitutes as a fair or unfair price.
That being said, this decision offers more flexibility for players. If you play on one character then just buy 1 skin. If you play multiple characters then just buy 2 skins. Simple as that. Where as, in games where skins can be applied to multiple characters, players who use only 1 character are actually paying a premium on their purchase price (unknowingly). The best analogy is like someone who get super excited on bundle deals/sales, but after they don't even make use of what they bought. Or some bundle sales are not even sales because they are the same price if you bought individually, it is just to make you buy more than what you need.
Exactly. You are on point.
Yet, you are missing the point at the same time.
Game dev is a bussines my friend.
you are assuming they're gonna charge the same price in both scenarios.
if money isn't an issue for you, then sure, having one skin useable for multiple characters is more straight forward
but then again, I don't see how an extra click to purchase one more skin is that much more effort.
as for your second point...who said you can‘t buy multiple skins on one account？the game isn't even out
So Steven will occasionally make statements that seem to contradict previous information when he gets excited or has many different things being thrown at him. They always get pointed out and they go back to clean it up. The system of cosmetics being account bound and being able to be used on a single character at at time has long been the answer. An errant maybe caused everyone to freak out a bit. As to your comment about multiple skins on one account? They have also addressed this in the past. I ended up with two because of a promotion, they ended up changing the second one on my account to another one, because duplicate skins have no use.
His response was entirely focused on "gameplay progression" and the "alt experience" and "the commitment to a character"
I don't think his response was directed at all to things that are generally account-wide like cosmetics or achievements. I honestly think he misinterpreted the question, and the question was actually directed at those things.
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Giving meaningful consideration to when you play your main and your alts = punishment... interesting opinion.
I agree that it may suck if you were switching alts every 5 minutes. But if the cooldown is, say, in the range of a couple of hours, then you'll likely not even notice when playing your alt for a number of hours straight.
Hell, even if it were a 24h cooldown. It just means that you get to spend said 24h with one character. That pushes to you towards progressing that alt, rather than hot potatoing things.
And if you think you'll be changing alts every hour or so, then perhaps what cosmetic they use isn't really a priority that needs to addressed there.