Criminals and how to deal with them, should there be a long term penalty

Ok so of course everyone has the right to make a mistake here and there, and shouldn't be branded a felon their whole life.

With that being said there are a certain type of dirtbags out there, that aren't enjoying the game unless they're killing and stealing thier own players.

Now from what I understand you will be able to work off corruption over time and when you die I think you lose some.
But At that point that person the "special" person will just go back and grief again and again rinse and repeat.

Should Kills add up over time and never be able to be removed like any criminal record, and if you rack up enough of these violations have some more serious consequences?

Now all people should have a right to retsore their good name or at least a name in some cases, so if they were tired of the penalties from their criminal days, possibly 1 way to earn back good favor would to pay restitution to it's victims, nothing absurd but a small token of money they've to pay before losing some of that reputation they earned.

That's just 1 thought, I would like to hear you thoughts and if you should be able to commt crimes and have the chance to start a new, or if there should be some lasting consequences.

Thank you for reading.

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khitomer

Noaani wrote: »

Yes, but these people won't be flagged as bounty hunters all the time.

Your assumption about numbers of active hunters at any one time on a given server is just that, an assumption.

We wont know the level of activity in this area of the game until its live.

And for it to be robust and engaging there has to be incentive on both sides.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Yes, but these people won't be flagged as bounty hunters all the time.

Your assumption about numbers of active hunters at any one time on a given server is just that, an assumption.

Yes it is.

Your assumption that there will be enough active hunters at any one time to police a very easy, very dangerous exploit that you want added to the game is also an assumption.

Being corrupt in Ashes is not supposed to be engaging for the corrupt player. It is supposed to be a punishment.

khitomer

Thats just your rather narrow take on it.

A punishment can be ultimately rewarding if you survive the challenge of the world falling down around you.

Thats part of the thrill of open world mmos with a pvp element in them.

Anyways, Im over discussing this with you, since its just a merry go round.

My suggestion stands and hopefully the devs will at least consider implementing something like this in the long run.

Tata.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Thats just your rather narrow take on it.

Well, it is my take on what Steven meant when he said being corrupt is a punishment.

I guess that makes it my take on it.

khitomer

Your interpretation * of the implications of what he meant.

Im not arguing for corruption to be removed because the reason for it being there is justified.

Im arguing that it could also present a level of immersion in that system by which players of exceptional luck or skill might occasionally find gratification in the risk vs reward equation.

End of.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Im arguing that it could also present a level of immersion in that system by which players of exceptional luck or skill find gratification in the risk vs reward equation.

And I am saying that every time Steven has been asked about systems that could potentially add reward or remove punishment from corruption he has said outright no.

I am also saying that if this position changed (positions change, it happens), your suggestion is not robust enough to make the cut, so the very least you should do is come up with an idea that isn't so easily exploitable.

Your lack of willingness to do so suggests that you want a system like this for that exploit.

khitomer

Noaani wrote: »

I am also saying that if this position changed (positions change, it happens), your suggestion is not robust enough to make the cut, so the very least you should do is come up with an idea that isn't so easily exploitable.

Your lack of willingness to do so suggests that you want a system like this for that exploit.

In your opinion* but your opinion is not the one I am concerned with.

So when all is said and done, you have your opinions and assumptions, and I have mine.

You seem to enjoy making assumptions.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

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So when all is said and done, you have your opinions and assumptions, and I have mine.

And is it your opinion that a company putting in $50,000,000+ in to a product would add in a mechanic that is as easily exploited as the one you are talking about?

If that is the kind of opinion you have, it is no wonder you are not concerned with other options.

khitomer

Yadda yadda yadda... merry go round.

I will let you have the last word then, since you so desperately need it.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

I will let you have the last word then, since you so desperately need it.

I mean, you saying

khitomer wrote: »

Tata.

khitomer wrote: »

End of.

don't mean shit. They mean even less when you reply to posts in 3 and 4 minutes (respectively) after saying each.

Nothing is more amusing to me than someone saying they are done with a thread as the last line of a post, then replying to the rest of the post with that last line removed, and see how long it takes for them to reply.

You're on doing that twice so far, my real question now is if you will go for a third or not after it has been pointed out to you.

khitomer

Nah, youre way too invested in something that really isnt a reason to get so angsty over.

Im trying to do us both a favor, but youre like a dog with a bone.

Down, fido.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Nah, youre way too invested

You, son, have no idea.

You get the choice, either stop replying, or don't. I don't care either way, I just find it amusing when people say they will stop and then literally sit there refreshing the page to get in their next reply as quickly as possible.

Also, two minutes is a new record. Go you!

khitomer

No one cares if you care or not.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

No one cares if you care or not.

Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

What I do know is, you are still posting, after saying many times you wouldn't.

I'm not sure what kind of person has so little self control that they can only manage to not do a thing they said they wouldn't do for a mere few minutes - but I do know that this is you!

Dygz

khitomer wrote: »

No one cares if you care or not.

Noaani is going to continue to troll you for 5 more pages or until Wandering Mist tells him to move on.

khitomer

Dygz wrote: »

Noaani is going to continue to troll you for 5 more pages or until Wandering Mist tells him to move on.

I kinda got the picture just now looking at some other threads lol.

Biccus

A: “This person has gained soo much corruption by killing and abusing low levels and people not fighting back”
B: “.... but they’re good a PvP?..”
A: “Oh! Okay then let’s reset their corruption so they can keep griefing!”

Just doesn’t make much sense. Making interesting ways to lower corruption? Sure I can see wanting that but not through something so quick and easy as killing a bounty Hunter.

khitomer

Not through killing bounty hunters, but avoiding being killed by a bunch of them while requiring a certain amount of combat uptime.

The odds are heavily stacked against the corrupted player, based on the increasing degree of consequences as corruption goes higher.

If say the ability to lower or clear corruption only came once a peak of it had been reached, and it required a significant enough combat uptime with same or higher level players to clear it, so that it would be very difficult to actually survive long enough, then that would be a real feat for anyone who could actually accomplish it.

Anyone actually game enough to be willingly corrupt risks their items being looted, so they wouldnt equip gear they wouldnt be comfortable losing permanently, which would in turn make them weaker against bounty hunters, on top of all the other already compromising consequences to gaining heavy corruption.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

khitomer wrote: »

No one cares if you care or not.

Noaani is going to continue to troll you for 5 more pages or until Wandering Mist tells him to move on.

You're just saying that because you are incapable of sticking to an argument, and would rather argue semantics. When you do this, most people just walk away, but I don't and you're not used to that.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Not through killing bounty hunters, but avoiding being killed by a bunch of them.

The odds are heavily stacked against the corrupted player, based on the increasing degree of consequences as corruption goes higher.

If say the ability to lower or clear corruption only came once a peak of it had been reached, and it required a significant enough combat uptime with same or higher level players to clear it, so that it would be very difficult to actually survive long enough, then that would be a real feat for anyone who could actually accomplish it.

Anyone actually game enough to be willingly corrupt risks their items being looted, so they wouldnt equip gear they would be comfortable losing permanently, which would in turn make them weaker against bounty hunters, on top of all the other already compromising consequences to gaining heavy corruption.

This is still a system that players can very easily cheese.

If you want to come up with an idea that could be considered, you don't want to look at increasing the difficulty of clearing corruption as much as you want to increase the difficulty of exploiting the system.

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