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I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

Nagash wrote: »

I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

The WoW fanbase has 2 dividing fanbases within them. The hardcore fanbase who quit during Burning Crusade. They wanted a real challenge and the game didn't provide one so they left.

Then there is the casual fanbase that is the majority of their fanbase to this day who swears WoW is the best thing since sliced bread. They usually never played another MMO before so they got rose tinted vision for everything related to the game.

The casuals are often where the toxicity comes from since all of the hardcore WoW players who didn't use addons to influence from the original game all quit a long time ago. It's why I'm against addons that influence gameplay in any way. Visual customization shouldn't need to be addons in the first place.

WoW raids are fun and all, but it's boring when that is the only thing your game has going for it.

Nagash wrote: »

I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

It's essentially mostly Activision now. WoW was a lot different Pre-Cataclysm. I use to play Vanilla DAOC as well. Gaming had a much different feeling back then with nostalgia and immersion considering I grew up playing many Blizzard games long before WoW was a thing.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

It's essentially mostly Activision now. WoW was a lot different Pre-Cataclysm. I use to play Vanilla DAOC as well. Gaming had a much different feeling back then with nostalgia and immersion considering I grew up playing many Blizzard games long before WoW was a thing.

The original team heading WoW founded Blizzard. Most of them quit due to Activision crap and are even starting their own company as we speak now. Not sure what kind of games they will make, but they might make a new RTS since WC3 got downgraded recently.

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

The WoW fanbase has 2 dividing fanbases within them. The hardcore fanbase who quit during Burning Crusade. They wanted a real challenge and the game didn't provide one so they left.

Then there is the casual fanbase that is the majority of their fanbase to this day who swears WoW is the best thing since sliced bread. They usually never played another MMO before so they got rose tinted vision for everything related to the game.

The casuals are often where the toxicity comes from since all of the hardcore WoW players who didn't use addons to influence from the original game all quit a long time ago. It's why I'm against addons that influence gameplay in any way. Visual customization shouldn't need to be addons in the first place.

WoW raids are fun and all, but it's boring when that is the only thing your game has going for it.

yes you are 100% right

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

It's essentially mostly Activision now. WoW was a lot different Pre-Cataclysm. I use to play Vanilla DAOC as well. Gaming had a much different feeling back then with nostalgia and immersion considering I grew up playing many Blizzard games long before WoW was a thing.

The original team heading WoW founded Blizzard. Most of them quit due to Activision crap and are even starting their own company as we speak now. Not sure what kind of games they will make, but they might make a new RTS since WC3 got downgraded recently.

True! I have been following DreamHaven, Frost Giant and Warchief Gaming. I played a lot of RTS when I was younger from the Blizzard team as well. The company is not what it use to be. Many corporations tend to take over games, force deadlines and crunches to produce games for profit instead of quality. Eventually games for companies like that just turn into means for profit margins instead of what is important to gamers. EA, Activision and Former Besthesda (microsoft bought them out, hoping they do not go down the Greedy Cash Route) are all known for this in the gaming industry which is why I support companies like Intrepid.

Very excited to see what Mike Morhaime is part of next. Not much of a DnD player or tabletop gamer, but very excited for Metzen and the team as well. I'm sure the Former Starcraft devs will produce something many will enjoy

Asgerr

Nagash wrote: »

halbarz wrote: »

Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

True! I have been following DreamHaven, Frost Giant and Warchief Gaming. I played a lot of RTS when I was younger from the Blizzard team as well. The company is not what it use to be. Many corporations tend to take over games, force deadlines and crunches to produce games for profit instead of quality. Eventually games for companies like that just turn into means for profit margins instead of what is important to gamers. EA, Activision and Former Besthesda (microsoft bought them out, hoping they do not go down the Greedy Cash Route) are all known for this in the gaming industry which is why I support companies like Intrepid.

Very excited to see what Mike Morhaime is part of next. Not much of a DnD player or tabletop gamer, but very excited for Metzen and the team as well. I'm sure the Former Starcraft devs will produce something many will enjoy

Graybeard games as well. That one is by the former lead designer of Diablo 1 and 2 David Brevik. While he's not doing a whole lot now he might make another game worth noting in the future. It Lurks Below is ok, but I don't like it as much as his older games. xD

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

True! I have been following DreamHaven, Frost Giant and Warchief Gaming. I played a lot of RTS when I was younger from the Blizzard team as well. The company is not what it use to be. Many corporations tend to take over games, force deadlines and crunches to produce games for profit instead of quality. Eventually games for companies like that just turn into means for profit margins instead of what is important to gamers. EA, Activision and Former Besthesda (microsoft bought them out, hoping they do not go down the Greedy Cash Route) are all known for this in the gaming industry which is why I support companies like Intrepid.

Very excited to see what Mike Morhaime is part of next. Not much of a DnD player or tabletop gamer, but very excited for Metzen and the team as well. I'm sure the Former Starcraft devs will produce something many will enjoy

Graybeard games as well. That one is by the former lead designer of Diablo 1 and 2 David Brevik. While he's not doing a whole lot now he might make another game worth noting in the future. It Lurks Below is ok, but I don't like it as much as his older games. xD

oh, I was unaware of Graybeard. I'll check it out. I do know one of the devs who worked on the original Diablo I and II? made path of exile. Diablo 3 was a mistake if you ask me and Diablo 4 is what diablo 3 should have been several years ago.

EDIT: it's nothing against the devs and the hard work they put in to it. Many others including myself were expecting a more dark game like Diablo I. Diablo III just didn't have that immersive captivation for my liking. To be honest, I probably wont even play Diablo IV.

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

True! I have been following DreamHaven, Frost Giant and Warchief Gaming. I played a lot of RTS when I was younger from the Blizzard team as well. The company is not what it use to be. Many corporations tend to take over games, force deadlines and crunches to produce games for profit instead of quality. Eventually games for companies like that just turn into means for profit margins instead of what is important to gamers. EA, Activision and Former Besthesda (microsoft bought them out, hoping they do not go down the Greedy Cash Route) are all known for this in the gaming industry which is why I support companies like Intrepid.

Very excited to see what Mike Morhaime is part of next. Not much of a DnD player or tabletop gamer, but very excited for Metzen and the team as well. I'm sure the Former Starcraft devs will produce something many will enjoy

Graybeard games as well. That one is by the former lead designer of Diablo 1 and 2 David Brevik. While he's not doing a whole lot now he might make another game worth noting in the future. It Lurks Below is ok, but I don't like it as much as his older games. xD

oh, I was unaware of Graybeard. I'll check it out. I do know one of the devs who worked on the original Diablo I and II? made path of exile. Diablo 3 was a mistake if you ask me and Diablo 4 is what diablo 3 should have been several years ago.

I don't know what to think of Diablo 4. The skill design is too similar to Diablo 3 so far for me. Diablo 3 combat was ok, but everything else wasn't even an rpg. xD I don't really like PoE 1, but PoE 2 looks a lot more promising. I just wish PoE organized the games systems a bit more and not had so many remnants of previous systems garbage still in the game.

David Brevik is why the older Diablo games were so organized and flowed so well. I wish he worked with one of the many companies other former members of Blizzard North joined after Hellgate London. Torchlight had 2 former members of Blizzard North, but I'm pretty sure they did the loot design so the game doesn't play as well as other ARPGS.

Asgerr wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

halbarz wrote: »

Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

You can tell when someone like that come to the forums they stand out like a skeleton in a holy convention

Nagash wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

halbarz wrote: »

Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

You can tell when someone like that come to the forums they stand out like a skeleton in a holy convention

Ainz Ool Gown walked into a church once. xD

Dygz

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I always see WoW player (the new line not the old guard) like the CoD fanbase

The WoW fanbase has 2 dividing fanbases within them. The hardcore fanbase who quit during Burning Crusade. They wanted a real challenge and the game didn't provide one so they left.

Then there is the casual fanbase that is the majority of their fanbase to this day who swears WoW is the best thing since sliced bread. They usually never played another MMO before so they got rose tinted vision for everything related to the game.

LMAO
Is it possible to be more biased??
I am a casual-challenge player. I quit WoW after Cataclysm.
Quitting has little to do with wanting a real challenge and everything to do with the game feeling like the same 5 quests just with different skins and flavor text. And it's play through new content in 6 weeks or less and then repeat dungeons and raids over and over and over again for 2+ years while waiting for the next expansion.
WoW is way too themepark.

As a casual-challenge player, I will, of course, say that it's the hardcore-challenge players who are toxic.
Casual-challenge players are too casual to be toxic.

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

halbarz wrote: »

Let's pick up our pitchforks and push them back to WoW.

On a serious note, it is sad to see what happened and hopefully, they get to enjoy the game / TBC classic.

agreed its a shame what's happening to WoW but the hardcore WoW fan base is "special"

I think Asmongold himself said it best. The issue with the hardcore WoW players is that they're only WoW players. Some of them don't even play other videogames. So their views may be narrow and their attachement to the game unhealthy

You can tell when someone like that come to the forums they stand out like a skeleton in a holy convention

Ainz Ool Gown walked into a church once. xD

touche

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

True! I have been following DreamHaven, Frost Giant and Warchief Gaming. I played a lot of RTS when I was younger from the Blizzard team as well. The company is not what it use to be. Many corporations tend to take over games, force deadlines and crunches to produce games for profit instead of quality. Eventually games for companies like that just turn into means for profit margins instead of what is important to gamers. EA, Activision and Former Besthesda (microsoft bought them out, hoping they do not go down the Greedy Cash Route) are all known for this in the gaming industry which is why I support companies like Intrepid.

Very excited to see what Mike Morhaime is part of next. Not much of a DnD player or tabletop gamer, but very excited for Metzen and the team as well. I'm sure the Former Starcraft devs will produce something many will enjoy

Graybeard games as well. That one is by the former lead designer of Diablo 1 and 2 David Brevik. While he's not doing a whole lot now he might make another game worth noting in the future. It Lurks Below is ok, but I don't like it as much as his older games. xD

oh, I was unaware of Graybeard. I'll check it out. I do know one of the devs who worked on the original Diablo I and II? made path of exile. Diablo 3 was a mistake if you ask me and Diablo 4 is what diablo 3 should have been several years ago.

I don't know what to think of Diablo 4. The skill design is too similar to Diablo 3 so far for me. Diablo 3 combat was ok, but everything else wasn't even an rpg. xD I don't really like PoE 1, but PoE 2 looks a lot more promising. I just wish PoE organized the games systems a bit more and not had so many remnants of previous systems garbage still in the game.

David Brevik is why the older Diablo games were so organized and flowed so well. I wish he worked with one of the many companies other former members of Blizzard North joined after Hellgate London. Torchlight had 2 former members of Blizzard North, but I'm pretty sure they did the loot design so the game doesn't play as well as other ARPGS.

Diablo IV does reminds me of a re-skinned Diablo III with simpler designs around Offence and Defence instead of multiple stats. You just focus your points around two attributes now. All they had to do for Diablo III was make it more like Diablo II with Diablo I dark lore and aesthetics.

Diablo III took a bright and colourful adventurous path many were displeased about. Not only that, months after launch they changed the game's Magic find system and replaced it with endless Paragon leveling so it just became and endless scaling grind between gear and monsters where your gear was relatively equivalent to the mobs you wanted to combat against.

Games need that gap between player gear, skill and monsters/mobs that supply that level of challenging content which gives the effect of a "harder" difficulty instead of which step on the ladder you are at which has no real relevance to skill versus time invested. It's why I find the mythic content in WoW relatively boring because WoW is turning into Diablo III, except more focused around some group play for now.

But I will definitely keep an eye on Graybeard!

Daedrik45

@Nagash if you don’t want wow players to play This game then you might want to tell Steven to stop interviewing with top WoW streamers? And let’s not generalize the WoW community there are a lot of good people who play the game. I’d be happy to bring them on board this game to play with.