Criminals and how to deal with them, should there be a long term penalty

Ok so of course everyone has the right to make a mistake here and there, and shouldn't be branded a felon their whole life.

With that being said there are a certain type of dirtbags out there, that aren't enjoying the game unless they're killing and stealing thier own players.

Now from what I understand you will be able to work off corruption over time and when you die I think you lose some.
But At that point that person the "special" person will just go back and grief again and again rinse and repeat.

Should Kills add up over time and never be able to be removed like any criminal record, and if you rack up enough of these violations have some more serious consequences?

Now all people should have a right to retsore their good name or at least a name in some cases, so if they were tired of the penalties from their criminal days, possibly 1 way to earn back good favor would to pay restitution to it's victims, nothing absurd but a small token of money they've to pay before losing some of that reputation they earned.

That's just 1 thought, I would like to hear you thoughts and if you should be able to commt crimes and have the chance to start a new, or if there should be some lasting consequences.

Thank you for reading.

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khitomer

Santanico wrote: »

That's the point, there is no reward in surviving. Your reward is you live a few more minutes until the next bounty hunter comes.

A path of corruption equals a life on the run until justice is served or you're a corpse. Most likely the later.

They have plenty of PvP where you can be handsomly rewarded with loot while not gaining corruption.

As far as dropping gear so they don't drop it I propose as soon as a player goes corrupted their gear is bound and cannont be removed until death.

This is where the blurred edge of pvp outside 'the rules' excites a certain type of player, and there are many of those in all mmos with a heavy pvp element.

Half the fun for these types of players is trying to find ways to survive what are meant to be insurmountable odds, and that and the potential achievement of that is the reward in itself.

You have a similar dynamic with people who do solo boss kills, etc.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Half the fun for these types of players is trying to find ways to survive what are meant to be insurmountable odds, and that and the potential achievement of that is the reward in itself.

Then why do they need corruption to be removed?

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

If you think you are going to get Steven, or anyone at Intrepid for that matter, to comment on this, you are wrong.

If you want them to even look at it seriously, you need to have basically all players on board agreeing that it is a good idea, and that Intrepid wmshould consider it.

Until you have that, you wont get the opinion you want - and even if we all agree it's a great idea you likely still wont.

That is why I said you need to work on your idea. If you actually want Intrepids opinion on your idea, you need to get the posters here on board first - and you have not done that.

For whatever reason, you keep mistaking your opinion about what Ive said as being an objective fact.

For what ever reason, you keep confusing me stating my opinion for me stating a fact.

khitomer

Noaani wrote: »

Then why do they need corruption to be removed?

Because thats the near impossible part.

Because that represents beating the system and the 'law' within the sandbox of the mmo.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp lol.

Why do solo raid boss killers do what they do?

Because its something thats not supposed to be doable or at least extremely hard, and its something most would not/are not be able to do.

khitomer

Noaani wrote: »

For what ever reason, you keep confusing me stating my opinion for me stating a fact.

This is where you remain confused.

You dont state facts, you state opinions and you often state opinions as facts.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

For what ever reason, you keep confusing me stating my opinion for me stating a fact.

This is where you remain confused.

You dont state facts, you state opinions and you often state opinions as facts.

I state opinions.

If you read them as fact, that is on you.

khitomer wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Then why do they need corruption to be removed?

Because thats the near impossible part.

Because that represents beating the system and the 'law' within the sandbox of the mmo.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp lol.

Why do solo raid boss killers do what they do?

Because its something thats not supposed to be doable or at least extremely hard, and its something most would not be able to do.

The near impossible part is staying alive with the debuffs associated with corruption.

The "beating the system" part is staying alive with those debuffs, ones that are designed to make it hard to stay alive.

I understand wanting a reward for things, but if the goal you are going for here is an incentive to beat the system, or to do the impossible, removing corruption isnt required at all.

Any reward for that same act should be fine.

khitomer

Noaani wrote: »

The near impossible part is staying alive with the debuffs associated with corruption.

The "beating the system" part is staying alive with those debuffs, ones that are designed to make it hard to stay alive.

I understand wanting a reward for things, but if the goal you are going for here is an incentive to beat the system, or to do the impossible, removing corruption isnt required at all.

Any reward for that same act should be fine.

The reward is staying alive when by rights you should not, and any number of other players are trying to ensure that you dont.

The reward is represented by the fact that you didnt die and got to keep your gear which in nearly every circumstance doesnt happen.

Its not rocket science to understand - the same reward as staying alive instead of getting killed, and what that represents, as in any other pvp scenario, except that its extra thrilling because its in an area of wpvp that is designed to be an (almost) fail-proof system.

Corruption represents the imposition of the rules which through skilful and clever use of game mechanics, the rare player should occasionally be allowed to overcome.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

The near impossible part is staying alive with the debuffs associated with corruption.

The "beating the system" part is staying alive with those debuffs, ones that are designed to make it hard to stay alive.

I understand wanting a reward for things, but if the goal you are going for here is an incentive to beat the system, or to do the impossible, removing corruption isnt required at all.

Any reward for that same act should be fine.

The reward is staying alive when by rights you should not, and any number of other players are trying to ensure that you dont.

The reward is represented by the fact that you didnt die and got to keep your gear which in nearly every circumstance doesnt happen.

Its not rocket science to understand - the same reward as staying alive instead of getting killed, and what that represents, as in any other pvp scenario, except that its extra thrilling because its in an area of wpvp that is designed to be an (almost) fail-proof system.

Corruption represents the imposition of the rules which through skilful and clever use of game mechanics, the rare player should occasionally be allowed to overcome.

If you stay alive while heavy corrupt, your reward is the fact that you still have your gear, and are free to then go about working that corruption off.

There is no need for a second reward, which is what your suggestion is.

Tacualeon

Santanico wrote: »

That's just 1 thought, I would like to hear you thoughts and if you should be able to commt crimes and have the chance to start a new, or if there should be some lasting consequences.

Thank you for reading.

I think this is a good question and I agree with having lasting consequence, if people can game the game they will do it.

Dygz

khitomer wrote: »

Because thats the near impossible part.
Because that represents beating the system and the 'law' within the sandbox of the mmo.
Why is it so hard for you to grasp lol.
Why do solo raid boss killers do what they do?
Because its something that's not supposed to be doable or at least extremely hard, and its something most would not/are not be able to do.

The impossible part is that it will be impossible to reset to 0 simply for surviving for a long period of time.
Ashes is not a sandbox mmorpg. Ashes is a sandpark mmorpg.

I think it's the reset to 0 that is supposed to be, according to your suggestion, a reward for skillful and clever use of game mechanics, allowing the rare player to overcome the imposition of Corruption.

But, that is not a reward the devs will offer because the devs do not want to reward being Corrupted. And the devs also do not want to reward skillful use of the Corruption mechanic to stay Corrupted.

drclawx

I would add a distinction between criminal and corrupted.

For example, a criminal would be someone who is robbing caravans from your node. What can you do in this
case? How do you get rid of them?

I just picture a situation where it becomes cost/time prohibitive to deal with this situation.

I do like the idea of a blacklist for crafters/freeholds to refuse service to players/guilds. Eventually you may get a bad enough reputation that you cannot buy anything and have to move on.

CriminalCupcake

Im just a Criminal Cupcake...

Sathrago

drclawx wrote: »

I would add a distinction between criminal and corrupted.

For example, a criminal would be someone who is robbing caravans from your node. What can you do in this
case? How do you get rid of them?

I just picture a situation where it becomes cost/time prohibitive to deal with this situation.

I do like the idea of a blacklist for crafters/freeholds to refuse service to players/guilds. Eventually you may get a bad enough reputation that you cannot buy anything and have to move on.

Good point.

Another way to put it would be to say that corruption is something that you attain, by choice for players, but otherwise in the lore you can become corrupted just through exposure. Meaning its more like a deadly infection that rots the brain and causes you to act more and more like a sadistic murderer.

Crime and being a criminal are lesser forms of evil, that are purely through choice. It's something that does not innately change you into a monster, so it's never going to be as bad as corruption. At least in this fantasy setting.

Corruption is basically what old people think happens when you smoke weed. The gateway drug from Hell.

Arya_Yeshe

I made a great post about this, but my post randomly needs moderator approval, the post is about registering how muh damage in gold the criminals do. You know that when someone dies it will be required from him some gold to repair his gear, I think Intrepid should register how much losses you inflictec on others.

And then, bounty hunters in PvP, purple on purple or vs corrupted, should kill them and get some gold in return.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/58899/bounty-hunters#latest

We can't see my post yet, but is one of the first posts.

Aszkalon

ragonrok wrote: »

I would like the warrior node to offer very significant corruption removal.

Then the entire server knows exactly where the reds are and it's their choice to take the risk of going there

Or : just try your best and "hire" many of the PvP-eager People who would become Troublemakers otherwise and create one or a few nice Groups of People for your Node and or Guild, to hunt unsuspecting Caravans with. 😁

How to deal with longterm Criminals however is something we can not know yet. We must wait and see what Sir Steven and his mighty Crew do around Alpha Two and from there forward.

Nerror

The only answer is RL jail for ingame crimes.

daveywavey

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

but my post randomly needs moderator approval

Yeah, they had to make some forum changes recently cos of some accounts that were taking the piss. Just keep trying.

Voeltz

I think the answer to this is a reputation system. Completing quests or participating in activities that help the node give positive reputation that provide bonuses which could include things like discounts at shops or services, unlocks certain quest lines/paths to leadership roles or contributes to qualifying for those within the node/node network. Negative rep gained by killing greens or other criminal acts which results in higher prices, eventually losing access to node services, losing citizenship and being declared an enemy of the state and will be attacked by guards on sight at the higher levels.

This has been vaguely mentioned previously, but I have not heard anything on it recently. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Reputation

Arya_Yeshe

Voeltz wrote: »

I think the answer to this is a reputation system. Completing quests or participating in activities that help the node give positive reputation that provide bonuses which could include things like discounts at shops or services, unlocks certain quest lines/paths to leadership roles or contributes to qualifying for those within the node/node network. Negative rep gained by killing greens or other criminal acts which results in higher prices, eventually losing access to node services, losing citizenship and being declared an enemy of the state and will be attacked by guards on sight at the higher levels.

This has been vaguely mentioned previously, but I have not heard anything on it recently. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Reputation

In EVE, people have to spend some in-game currency and use an item to fix the character status, but if you make way more than you spend then commiting crimes is fine. Just keep farming loot from others and pay the bill later to fix your status.

So, it doesn't affect at all what people do, their actions are the same at all times, people don't care for finnancial tickles if you can make more than you spend

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