Looted/Rewarded Gear Appearance --> Biome Based

As we know everyone will start off in different areas and then head towards even more different areas.

What I think would be cool, would be having gear be biome dependant.

So, say I level in a snowy area, my level 10 chest piece will be fur lined and looking warm and padded. This would contrast with a level 10 chest piece earned in a desert biome, would look much more breezy and colorful.

This would greatly help get the sense that, one person you came across, actually travelled all the way from a certain area of the world. It tells the story of your and everyone's character around you.

Now, I know this would require a looooot more assets to be added to the game, and might be too much. But what do you guys think? Is there a way to make it more feasible, whilst preserving the idea behind it?

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Songcaller

I like the idea but I've bought cosmetic skins which are 'biome based' and I want to wear them in all biomes. I understand the pull for immersion but I have a pull to be unique looking wherever I can be.

bloodprophet

The vast majority of gear is crafted.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Crafting
Anything that you want to bring into existence in the world is going to be built by players: Whether that is Ships, Siege engines, Weapons, Armor, etc.[10] – Jeffrey Bard

That aid I like the idea of the gear looking like it is from different biomes and offering different protections.

Vhaeyne

Always, like to see stuff like this. Seems like something that would have been talked about a lot if IG planned on doing it.

That said, I did do a little "RP" in FFXIV when we were proging E3S a year or two ago... I wore a swim suit.
For the first time in my MMO life a damn swim suit made sense.

Dygz

Well... some gear will provide biome-related benefits. I would expect those to have aesthetics associated with the particular biome.
Of course, we can transmog and skin over the original appearances if we wish.

Asgerr

Neurath wrote: »

I like the idea but I've bought cosmetic skins which are 'biome based' and I want to wear them in all biomes. I understand the pull for immersion but I have a pull to be unique looking wherever I can be.

Oh I'm not advocating for your gear to change once you move biomes.

Rather, let's say that the gear you get from a quest in a snowy area will be a winter version of it. A different quest elsewhere, will give the corresponding biome one.

Cosmetics will just be applied on top of any of those anyways.

Dreoh

Doesn't matter, cosmetics and transmog, both of which are confirmed, destroy this concept

Anyone who supports the idea of this post but also argues that a cosmetic shop and cosmetics/transmogs are a nonissue are hypocrites.

I've argued in length many times in favour of the ideas of this post, but so many people here will tell you immersion has no bearing on the quality of a game.

Dygz

Cosmetics and transmog don't destroy the concept.
Appearance won't change the stats.
And if someone wishes to place the illusion of desert gear over actual arctic gear...they can do so.
That's not immersion-breaking for a high fantasy/high magic setting, like Ashes of Creation.

Dreoh

Dygz wrote: »

Cosmetics and transmog don't destroy the concept.
Appearance won't change the stats.
And if someone wishes to place the illusion of desert gear over actual arctic gear...they can do so.
That's not immersion-breaking for a high fantasy/high magic setting, like Ashes of Creation.

Here we go with the "it's magic" argument again.

Dygz

Yep. That's the argument you get in a high fantasy/high magic RPG.

Dreoh

Can't you at least have some kind of standard?

Dygz

Illusions are standard for high fantasy/high magic settings.

Dreoh

It's also standard for them to be dispelled when anything touches them

So are you advocating for your cosmetics to be de-equipped when you get struck?

Don't use such lame excuses to justify lame mechanics

Littlekenny21

Dygz wrote: »

Illusions are standard for high fantasy/high magic settings.

Why is it that the only characters in the game with access to these illusions are ones where the player spent money out of game?

A mage/mage can't but a tank/tank can because the tank player spent money.

Dygz

Who says that the only characters with access to illusions will be the ones where players spent money out of game?
Post a quote that says there won't be skins and cosmetics available for purchase in-game.

Dygz

Dreoh wrote: »

It's also standard for them to be dispelled when anything touches them
So are you advocating for your cosmetics to be de-equipped when you get struck?
Don't use such lame excuses to justify lame mechanics

It's not standard for illusions to be dispelled when anything touches the illusions.

Littlekenny21

Dygz wrote: »

Who says that the only characters with access to illusions will be the ones where players spent money out of game?
Post a quote that says there won't be skins and cosmetics available for purchase in-game.

Any quotes that say they will?

I've not kept track of everything for a while but it's something I would expect them to say if it is there instead of saying if it isn't there.

Dreoh

Dygz wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

It's also standard for them to be dispelled when anything touches them
So are you advocating for your cosmetics to be de-equipped when you get struck?
Don't use such lame excuses to justify lame mechanics

It's not standard for illusions to be dispelled when anything touches the illusions.

In any fantasy world with a half-decent magic system Illusions are always frail magic.

Now sure, any soft magic system might have strong illusion magic, but soft magic systems are cop-out systems meant to just be there secondary to the story and only to further push the story forward. The magic in soft-magic worlds are always contrived as fuck. On a personal note, I also consider it lazy writing/world-building.

The non-frail version of illusion magic would be something like transformation magic.

But this is all magic theory-crafting.

It's painfully obvious you just want to use cosmetics for whatever reason and "Illusion magic" is nothing more than an excuse added in post.

Edit:
@Littlekenny21 is right too. How is your Tank/Tank or Tank/Fighter going to have illusion magic?

If I cast dispel magic on you is it going to destroy your cosmetic changes? No? If not then I'm sorry, you've just become a hypocrite and the immersion you claim to save through this excuse has become null and void.

Asgerr

Just to corral this thread back on topic, and prevent it from devolving into another cosmetics thread:

The point of the thread is whether gear earned from quests, in a certain area, should look like it fits the biome of that area.

If that were a thing, you can have your own cosmetic applied to it if you want or not.

Dygz

Littlekenny21 wrote: »

Any quotes that say they will?

You are the one who made the claim that skins and cosmetics are only available from the cosmetics store, so you have the burden of proof. But...

"The best skins will be in-game achievable (obviously “best” is subjective, so I’d say the most ornate and detailed/unique)."
– Steven Sharif

"I want to make sure that equitable cosmetics both from a quantity and quality standpoint are achievable through in-game achievements. Time, effort should let you be happy with what you can accomplish."
– Steven Sharif

"The most grand looking cosmetics will be from in-game achievement only."
– Steven Sharif

"[T]he intent behind my approach to these cosmetics, as well as the cosmetics that will be achievable in the game, is to provide a richer experience of visual diversity than we are typically accustomed to in the MMORPGs we have played in the past. There will be legendary cosmetics that are ONLY achievable in game and players can know won't be offered in some cosmetic shop in the future undermining their accomplishment."
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/271565#Comment_271565

McMackMuck

I like the idea of biome based gear, I would definitely choose to look like I fit in with a biome if I had the choice.

Due to cosmetics players will be able to look different than their gear. We either accept that or go find a different game.

I would like there to be an "authentic" feel to the world, but that is in the hands of the developers and the cosmetics that they make available.

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