Issuing crusades?

We were memeing on having crusades against Tulnar for a fun but of roleplay racism and I got to thinking.

Could we entertain a Religious node mayor issuing crusades against X or Y people:

- A certain Race
- Members of a specific Guild
- Members of a specific religion
- Etc

I guess the idea here would be that the Religious Node mayor would nullify the Corruption gained from pk'ing people, as "the Gods will it"

This could potentially be broken, but perhaps, limiting it to certain races or religions, would ultimately be small enough a scope where it could be viable.

The citizens of said Religious Node would then gain benefits for the period of the crusade, be it buffs or mounts, cosmetics or other items.

Perhaps the crusade only applies the benefits to people of the same religion as the Mayor?

The crusade could last for about a week and then have a month of cooldown.

Would you like to see something like this? How could you conceive it where it would feel balanced and "fair" ? (as much as PvP can be)

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ThexBlackxKnight

Nerror wrote: »

I am not against the general idea on an abstract level

But I do see some issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtG9mB2bREI&t=658s

At the 10:58 mark they talk about religion. In here they specifically say there is no combativeness between the religions. That is, between the Seven. So they would have to change the lore at least.

Well there is three other gods that allow players to walk the path of evil and there is a conflict between these three gods and the seven others. So holy wars can very much be a thing in the game since its now included as a lore reason.

bloodprophet

Nagash wrote: »

boredom82 wrote: »

i think it would be pretty neat if some of the holy classes would have some perks pertaining to the gods in the game like a high priest can give certain element buffs to others while templars could buff themselves respectivly

then necromancers can worship nagash
THE CITY OF THE DEAD

As I always say

The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead do not fight one another. The dead have no desires, no petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace...

Peace is a lie. As the Shadows teach only conflict matters. The strong survive and get better.

Nagash

bloodprophet wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

boredom82 wrote: »

i think it would be pretty neat if some of the holy classes would have some perks pertaining to the gods in the game like a high priest can give certain element buffs to others while templars could buff themselves respectivly

then necromancers can worship nagash
THE CITY OF THE DEAD

As I always say

The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead do not fight one another. The dead have no desires, no petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace...

Peace is a lie. As the Shadows teach only conflict matters. The strong survive and get better.

But when there is no one left to fight that darkness will fall and the baleful light of death will consume all

bloodprophet

Nagash wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

boredom82 wrote: »

i think it would be pretty neat if some of the holy classes would have some perks pertaining to the gods in the game like a high priest can give certain element buffs to others while templars could buff themselves respectivly

then necromancers can worship nagash
THE CITY OF THE DEAD

As I always say

The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead do not fight one another. The dead have no desires, no petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace...

Peace is a lie. As the Shadows teach only conflict matters. The strong survive and get better.

But when there is no one left to fight that darkness will fall and the baleful light of death will consume all

Be just you and me left to watch the sunset on a grateful universe.

Conrad

I think, if these crusades were to be issues against races for example, the bonuses should be smaller or bigger based on whether there's less or more of them. ie rewards and bonuses gained would be bigger from bigger race population?

Damn, weird discussing rewards for mass genocide lmfao

Nagash

Conrad wrote: »

I think, if these crusades were to be issues against races for example, the bonuses should be smaller or bigger based on whether there's less or more of them. ie rewards and bonuses gained would be bigger from bigger race population?

Damn, weird discussing rewards for mass genocide lmfao

Welcome to the forums where death and destruction are as common as DPS meter threads

Conrad

Nagash wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

I think, if these crusades were to be issues against races for example, the bonuses should be smaller or bigger based on whether there's less or more of them. ie rewards and bonuses gained would be bigger from bigger race population?

Damn, weird discussing rewards for mass genocide lmfao

Welcome to the forums where death and distraction are as common as DPS meter threads

Well now we just need a God... or Goddess of Death added to the pantheon, and we gucci

Dygz

Yeah, that's Nagash for you!!!

RocketFarmer

For a crusade I would view this as a divine node petitioning other nodes to go to war against one or more other nodes in an attempt to gain territory or influence.

If it’s just a divine node at war with another node then it’s just a regular node war. Sure, they can call it a crusade, but it’s a little wimpy.

Targeting a smaller group would be an inquisition. Most likely contained within a divine node. Said inquisition could be called upon for just about anything, including the nonsensical. But it’s more or less intended to root out the “evil”, depending on what the powers that be consider it so.

There could also be a form of Jihad or Mission in the original sense of infiltration and conquest of the nonbelievers. Which could be accomplished peacefully or violently according to the virtues of the faith.

Crusades against races sounds rather nonsensical, which is why I would put that under an inquisition. So for example, the powers that be among a divine node contend a conspiracy between the Tulnar and the Ancients and therefore issue an inquisition against the Tulnar to put them to the question. Which typically involves torture to acquire a confession. But since the Tulnar aren’t likely to submit, and I don’t think AoC has a torture mechanic, they are instead hunted.

The risks of targeting a race, which may represent more than one fifth the population is that you’d have to be one of the five metropolii to have even a remote chance to survive the retaliation. Which is why a node or two would be about the right size to target and have a chance to survive.

Nagash

RocketFarmer wrote: »

For a crusade I would view this as a divine node petitioning other nodes to go to war against one or more other nodes in an attempt to gain territory or influence.

If it’s just a divine node at war with another node then it’s just a regular node war. Sure, they can call it a crusade, but it’s a little wimpy.

Targeting a smaller group would be an inquisition. Most likely contained within a divine node. Said inquisition could be called upon for just about anything, including the nonsensical. But it’s more or less intended to root out the “evil”, depending on what the powers that be consider it so.

There could also be a form of Jihad or Mission in the original sense of infiltration and conquest of the nonbelievers. Which could be accomplished peacefully or violently according to the virtues of the faith.

Crusades against races sounds rather nonsensical, which is why I would put that under an inquisition. So for example, the powers that be among a divine node contend a conspiracy between the Tulnar and the Ancients and therefore issue an inquisition against the Tulnar to put them to the question. Which typically involves torture to acquire a confession. But since the Tulnar aren’t likely to submit, and I don’t think AoC has a torture mechanic, they are instead hunted.

The risks of targeting a race, which may represent more than one fifth the population is that you’d have to be one of the five metropolii to have even a remote chance to survive the retaliation. Which is why a node or two would be about the right size to target and have a chance to survive.

I will bring war to any who defy my words of love.

Embrace the cold touch of death and only then will you have true peace

tautau

I'll Crusade against anyone who bots, buys gold, or cheats in yet undiscovered ways. Nagash can have their dead corpses for whatever use He wishes.

Nagash

tautau wrote: »

I'll Crusade against anyone who bots, buys gold, or cheats in yet undiscovered ways. Nagash can have their dead corpses for whatever use He wishes.

Deal!

JamesSunderland

I really like the idea and would be really interested in a system like that.

Asgerr

Let's say crusades are a thing in game, should the crusaders, or the crusadees (??) have any lower death consequences ?

bloodprophet

Conrad wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

I think, if these crusades were to be issues against races for example, the bonuses should be smaller or bigger based on whether there's less or more of them. ie rewards and bonuses gained would be bigger from bigger race population?

Damn, weird discussing rewards for mass genocide lmfao

Welcome to the forums where death and distraction are as common as DPS meter threads

Well now we just need a God... or Goddess of Death added to the pantheon, and we gucci

I am already here!

ThexBlackxKnight

I think that rival religions should have pvp objectives to take down each other, give some motivation for divine nodes to go to war and have those crusades.

Nagash

bloodprophet wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

I think, if these crusades were to be issues against races for example, the bonuses should be smaller or bigger based on whether there's less or more of them. ie rewards and bonuses gained would be bigger from bigger race population?

Damn, weird discussing rewards for mass genocide lmfao

Welcome to the forums where death and distraction are as common as DPS meter threads

Well now we just need a God... or Goddess of Death added to the pantheon, and we gucci

I am already here!

Over my undead body you are!

RocketFarmer

Sounds like the Seven are more like a pantheon.

That said, Athens and Sparta went to war frequently.

The divine aspect is just a little more motivation. Just about any excuse could be made for war.

Nagash

RocketFarmer wrote: »

Sounds like the Seven are more like a pantheon.

That said, Athens and Sparta went to war frequently.

The divine aspect is just a little more motivation. Just about any excuse could be made for war.

BINGO and what better reason for war than "I don't like them and their god"

Asgerr

I mean while a lot of the IRL crusades were about faith, it was also about protecting pilgrims who got attacked and also all of the land and real estate they had in the Crusader States.

So perhaps some benefit in terms of plot of lands for freeholds?

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