Vhaeyne wrote: » Bringing it back to "Sex sales". All I was trying to say is that "if" intrepid puts out a skin like the early ones I linked(Which are not that sexy, but I do like that gladiator aesthetic.). "If" intrepid is noticing that showing more skin is an increase in sales. I don't think it's bad for them to capitalize on that fact and give the people that buy these things what they want. It pains me to say this because I hate the December cosmetic so damn much. If they notice that this Santa outfit(calling it as I see it) sales more than normal. Then maybe they should consider trying an Easter or St. Patrick's skin in the coming months. I don't want that, about as much as some of you don't want to see more skin in the game. Not shaming other people for liking what they like is probably better for the game. Especially if that thing is generating sales. Broke ass MMOs go P2W then die. I am still going to meme on Sufferton, but if they did something else like it, and it sold well, that would be good for all of us. Chain mail bikinis might be good for all of us too...
Dolyem wrote: » Bewbs and Peen are one thing, but I draw the line at that cutsie bullcrap lmao
Vhaeyne wrote: » Dolyem wrote: » Bewbs and Peen are one thing, but I draw the line at that cutsie bullcrap lmao Has anyone asked for peen? I mean, jumping around as a male in first person playing Conan Exiles to do the "helicopter" for the lols is one thing... I just have not seen anyone ask for it. Unless you count the time that I pointed out that an enforced nudity server is a sure fire way to prevent stream sniping on twitch. XD
JustVine wrote: » Sure, I can jive with that reasoning. But it's much harder to see suppressed demand and suppressed subscriptions as a result of creating a cultural environment that feels more and more traditionally like a boys club. Again I am not saying that is what is currently happening. But the more chain mail bikinis one adds to the collection relative to other things, the more a cultural theme begins to emerge. It can be off putting for some people after a certain point. And therefore again, it pays to keep a more balanced approach in the long run to shape exactly what you want your consumer culture to look like even if it means certain cosmetics sell less.
JustVine wrote: » There is a lot of research relative to general gender ratios in gaming. Significantly less in regards to genres specifically.
JustVine wrote: » In either case even if you want to make the argument that women are a lot more of a minority in games. If you take a look at that very study as 100% fact. It begs the question, why is the ratio so low for mmo's when they are very much social driven games and that is the main driver for gaming for women, according to that study?
Nerror wrote: » Dolyem wrote: » Nerror wrote: » I would argue it's not that there are fewer women playing games but that there are more male developers than female developers, and a whole lot of those developers were raised on the comic book style of drawing their characters. I saw an article or video a long time ago about it. It was a book that almost everyone who learned to do art in those circles had learned from at some point. I think it might have been this one: https://ratcreature.livejournal.com/175099.html Or one similar at least. I agree with the last part though I just don't think hypersexualization fits the theme of the game at all. As far as the comic book thing goes, I can't ever follow along with the "Oversexualized/unachievable" argument to design of characters in comics. Theyre meant to be unachievable and as a result desirable. The idea of the "realistic/everyday average looing" heroes is just narcissist's self inserting themselves as their own characters usually. Super is Super... not a typical or even optimal human being. I might be misunderstanding what you mean here, and if so sorry. But super isn't just super in comic books. The male superheroes are not drawn in a sexual way. They are generally not sexy at all to women reading the comics. They are drawn to show big muscles and powerful poses.They don't have the full lips and eyes or facial expressions that the women are drawn with. The women are mostly drawn in sexualized poses with one purpose in mind: To show as much tits and ass as possible, to titillate all the teenage boys they believe will read the comics. Anyway, I'm getting somewhat off topic now
Dolyem wrote: » Nerror wrote: » I would argue it's not that there are fewer women playing games but that there are more male developers than female developers, and a whole lot of those developers were raised on the comic book style of drawing their characters. I saw an article or video a long time ago about it. It was a book that almost everyone who learned to do art in those circles had learned from at some point. I think it might have been this one: https://ratcreature.livejournal.com/175099.html Or one similar at least. I agree with the last part though I just don't think hypersexualization fits the theme of the game at all. As far as the comic book thing goes, I can't ever follow along with the "Oversexualized/unachievable" argument to design of characters in comics. Theyre meant to be unachievable and as a result desirable. The idea of the "realistic/everyday average looing" heroes is just narcissist's self inserting themselves as their own characters usually. Super is Super... not a typical or even optimal human being.
Nerror wrote: » I would argue it's not that there are fewer women playing games but that there are more male developers than female developers, and a whole lot of those developers were raised on the comic book style of drawing their characters. I saw an article or video a long time ago about it. It was a book that almost everyone who learned to do art in those circles had learned from at some point. I think it might have been this one: https://ratcreature.livejournal.com/175099.html Or one similar at least. I agree with the last part though I just don't think hypersexualization fits the theme of the game at all.
Rhel wrote: » Nerror wrote: » Dolyem wrote: » Nerror wrote: » I would argue it's not that there are fewer women playing games but that there are more male developers than female developers, and a whole lot of those developers were raised on the comic book style of drawing their characters. I saw an article or video a long time ago about it. It was a book that almost everyone who learned to do art in those circles had learned from at some point. I think it might have been this one: https://ratcreature.livejournal.com/175099.html Or one similar at least. I agree with the last part though I just don't think hypersexualization fits the theme of the game at all. As far as the comic book thing goes, I can't ever follow along with the "Oversexualized/unachievable" argument to design of characters in comics. Theyre meant to be unachievable and as a result desirable. The idea of the "realistic/everyday average looing" heroes is just narcissist's self inserting themselves as their own characters usually. Super is Super... not a typical or even optimal human being. I might be misunderstanding what you mean here, and if so sorry. But super isn't just super in comic books. The male superheroes are not drawn in a sexual way. They are generally not sexy at all to women reading the comics. They are drawn to show big muscles and powerful poses.They don't have the full lips and eyes or facial expressions that the women are drawn with. The women are mostly drawn in sexualized poses with one purpose in mind: To show as much tits and ass as possible, to titillate all the teenage boys they believe will read the comics. Anyway, I'm getting somewhat off topic now Male superheroes are ridiculous oversexualized when compared to female superheroes. Female comic book superheroes have obtainable bodies. A guy is not going to obtain anywhere the amount of muscle that a male comic book character has. Most of the time the male super heroes are drawn with muscles where there should not be muscle.
Nerror wrote: » No, that's not sexualization, that is about power. It is ridiculous yes, but sexy it's not, because it's not designed to be. Again, it's about a power fantasy. It is a pretty crucial difference actually. A power fantasy in this context is designed to make guys think, “ooh, I want to be like that!” Well, or at least closer to that than they are now. I also agree it's often so over the top that it's stupid. One aspect of a male power fantasy is to make men believe that women find that sexy, so they'll have sex with the man. A lot of action movies and other media is trying hard to make you believe that, so I completely understand the misconception and confusion about this that a lot of guys have. I had it too when I was young. And sure there are exceptions of course, but they are just that... exceptions. Sexualized women in comic books or video games are male sex fantasies. They are designed to make guys think, “ooh, I want to bang that!” as opposed to “ooh, I want to be like that!”. Generally speaking the women aren't drawn to show power and big muscles. Try a little thought experiment. If big, muscly and powerful action heroes and super heroes are that oversexualized, why aren't more women into watching them? Women like sex, so if "sex sells", why do they prefer movies without those male power fantasies?
JamesSunderland wrote: » It's like someone going to watch/read some romantic media mainly directed at the female public and getting mad at the hyper romantization of man in that type of media. It's unreasonable.
Vhaeyne wrote: » Be me... Trying to figure out why this:https://nicchiban.nichegamer.com/redo-of-healer-more-popular-with-women-according-to-creator/ And "50 shades of grey" are so popular with women... I have seen my share of "rekt" threads, and that anime was still off-putting at times... Yet women seem to love it... I just don't think I will understand why some people like the things they like. Likewise, I don't expect people to understand why I think the chain mail bikinis in those old heavy metal magazines are more badass than sexually attractive.
raylegh wrote: » I wonder why nowadays for some reason we people can't dress how we want... You know that if my armor is ofending you, the problem is only yours, righ?
JamesSunderland wrote: » Nerror wrote: » No, that's not sexualization, that is about power. It is ridiculous yes, but sexy it's not, because it's not designed to be. Again, it's about a power fantasy. It is a pretty crucial difference actually. A power fantasy in this context is designed to make guys think, “ooh, I want to be like that!” Well, or at least closer to that than they are now. I also agree it's often so over the top that it's stupid. One aspect of a male power fantasy is to make men believe that women find that sexy, so they'll have sex with the man. A lot of action movies and other media is trying hard to make you believe that, so I completely understand the misconception and confusion about this that a lot of guys have. I had it too when I was young. And sure there are exceptions of course, but they are just that... exceptions. Sexualized women in comic books or video games are male sex fantasies. They are designed to make guys think, “ooh, I want to bang that!” as opposed to “ooh, I want to be like that!”. Generally speaking the women aren't drawn to show power and big muscles. Try a little thought experiment. If big, muscly and powerful action heroes and super heroes are that oversexualized, why aren't more women into watching them? Women like sex, so if "sex sells", why do they prefer movies without those male power fantasies? Mate, you're still locked in the relativisation of hypersexualization of man, and still unable to comprehend that you're only looking at media mainly directed at the male public. It's like someone going to watch/read some romantic media mainly directed at the female public and getting mad at the hyper romantization of man in that type of media. It's unreasonable.
Noaani wrote: » raylegh wrote: » I wonder why nowadays for some reason we people can't dress how we want... You know that if my armor is ofending you, the problem is only yours, righ? This has never actually been true. While it may well be your decision, that doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. People need to realize that their decisions do impact other people. No one really wants to see some overweight hairy guy in a mankini. Sure, it's his decision, but I still want to rip my eyes out.
