Bow Types

Hail Fellow Creationists;

I'm loving what I am loving what is coming out of the studio for AOC. I was just hoping that at least coming from a life long Ranger that we would see either as an actual weapon or a Bow Skin of a simple Longbow .. just a "Robin Hood" English Longbow, nothing extravagant but simple and plain.

A skin is more likely the out come but it would be nice to "upgrade" a simple longbow that one could keep right up into the higher end content or even endgame . Something would need to be taken to a craftsman to "improve range/dmg", then to a mage or enchanter to increase/add accuracy ... depends on how that woudl fit into the crafting system.

Just my thoughts

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AidanKD

I think I agree that as long as the bow doesn't really exceed the thickness overall in the frame of the bow linked, then it wouldn't get too out of hand! It is meant to be a weapon easy to carry around and more on swift, deadly strikes not huge swings!

That said, I think that as long as "epic/legendary" bows don't all fit into this "chonky boi" category - but instead we have SOME bows which are on the bigger side because there will be people that like it, but also the more traditional ornate options - then that should be a people pleaser.

CROW3

Caww wrote: »

no... no.. no... my wood elf needs the most absolutely grandest, flashiest and deadly bow possible.. (please)

Done. Don't say I never gave you anything.

JustVine

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I normally main classes with a bow in most MMOs. I will say that a lot of time bows get screwed.
The designs are less inspired compared to swords and staffs. A lot games don't even give them enchant effects. Sometimes they don't even show the strings.

I don't want like the WOW style large thicc boi bows I see, but I don't want super plain bows end game.
I would like some ornate bows that keep realism in mind.

It is hard to find good examples of historical bows that are ornate. You can find plenty of fancy guns and crossbows. I would imagine that there is just not much that can be done to a bow without impeding its function. Still I am able to give up a little disbelief to a fantasy setting to allow for some nice looking bows.

That is a little thicc, but I could see it actually working.
I don't think us bow guys are in bad hands.

What do you think of MHW style designs relative to nows btw? Any you liked in particular?

Caww

CROW3 wrote: »

Caww wrote: »

no... no.. no... my wood elf needs the most absolutely grandest, flashiest and deadly bow possible.. (please)

Done. Don't say I never gave you anything.

oh... you do care ! thank you cuz..

Dizz1

I would like to see more different type of bow designs in Ashes: realistic or fantasy or magic.

I personal like bow designs in Goblin Slayer, Dragon's Crown, Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma.
There are more cool bow in other games well known, like GW2 and ESO.
Never played Dark Soul series, but I think their weapon design is very good, maybe bows from their game also look good.
Goblin Slayer

Dragon's Crown

Monster Hunter

Dragon's Dogma

Roelath

The thorns on that bow...

I'd hope we'd see some variety with the wood, carvings, bowstring, oils for maintenance/resistances, types of bows (compound vs. recurve), and general styles of types out there today. Now add some fantasy in there and you could see quite a level of detail.

Having to farm wood to make arrows + bows and those trees being placed in areas of low to high level would make going back to earlier areas worthwhile. There should definitely be a fletcher artisan profession out there to make bows, bowstrings, arrows, bolts, etc.

Atama

Warth wrote: »

@Auali no continous upgrading of low level weapons in the game. Things have a level/rarity for a reason.

However, there is a transmog system that allows you to take the skin from the base bow and apply it to the high end bows

Just be cautious with your expectations. In the past, Jeffrey and Steven have said that you can "sometimes" take the appearance from an item and apply it to a cosmetic slot. So, if there is a particular bow you like, you might be able to use it as a transmog. But given the way that Intrepid has been careful to qualify their statement about it, I think there may be cases where some gear isn't eligible.

But yeah, in all likelihood you should be able to find a basic-looking bow and turn your high-level fancy bow (with wings and flashing lights and fire bleeding out a demon's eyes) into a regular bow without neon lights or smoking skulls.

daveywavey

I always preferred the more simple bows. The ones with enormous appendages and attachments just look so clunky that you'd struggle to even raise them to shoot. I mean, what the frick is this one?

You wouldn't be able to lift it, and you wouldn't be able to see your target to actually aim at it. You'd do better with a pea-shooter.

Dizz1

Well, I only discuss that I thought if some kind of bow design concepts will be there in Ashes might be cool, I don't want to discuss the realistic aspects about any unreal bow should or should not be like what, because Ashes is a fantasy mmo, the important thing is to balance between the design look cool in right direction(which means to fit the concept of the world and art) and the cool fact strong enough to make the unrealness acceptable. It's just like how asmongold always ask how even possible something can be a flying mount in FF14, but when it come to a cool and big greatsword he never doubt how human can even hold that unreal huge greatsword.

Vhaeyne

JustVine wrote: »

What do you think of MHW style designs relative to nows btw? Any you liked in particular?

I can't remember off the top of my head with MHW. It seems like a lifetime ago that I played it right now. I just remember a lot of things being too big for my taste.

I do want to say this:
This thread is over a year old. At the time of my original responses, I was under the impression that Intrepid wanted some sort of "Realism" or at least verisimilitude in Ashes based on the interviews I had seen with Steven up to that point. I really wanted to support that because outside of Mortal Online you don't see that much "down to earth" fantasy in MMORPGs with realism in mind. You can get over the top fantasy anywhere these days.

That said, Intrepid has only shown that they care about the rule of cool. Which is fine. That art direction is not a dealbreaker for me. I would just prefer to see a fantasy bow that looks believable and ornate.

Veeshan

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I normally main classes with a bow in most MMOs. I will say that a lot of time bows get screwed.
The designs are less inspired compared to swords and staffs. A lot games don't even give them enchant effects. Sometimes they don't even show the strings.

I don't want like the WOW style large thicc boi bows I see, but I don't want super plain bows end game.
I would like some ornate bows that keep realism in mind.

It is hard to find good examples of historical bows that are ornate. You can find plenty of fancy guns and crossbows. I would imagine that there is just not much that can be done to a bow without impeding its function. Still I am able to give up a little disbelief to a fantasy setting to allow for some nice looking bows.

That is a little thicc, but I could see it actually working.
I don't think us bow guys are in bad hands.

that bow could technically work they removed the metal band on the back of the bow (that flexes back) Above and below the metal handle (Top and bottom of bow snake head might be an issue too) but the handle part is fine tbh. Could be a light weight metal in the risar which can then also be used to parry attacks without dmging the bow (Wooden part) modern recurve bows are a metal risar (Handle) with 2 fiberglass inserts into that riser aslong as u dont hinder the limbs flexibility it will work.

JustVine

Vhaeyne wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

What do you think of MHW style designs relative to nows btw? Any you liked in particular?

I can't remember off the top of my head with MHW. It seems like a lifetime ago that I played it right now. I just remember a lot of things being too big for my taste.

I do want to say this:
This thread is over a year old. At the time of my original responses, I was under the impression that Intrepid wanted some sort of "Realism" or at least verisimilitude in Ashes based on the interviews I had seen with Steven up to that point. I really wanted to support that because outside of Mortal Online you don't see that much "down to earth" fantasy in MMORPGs with realism in mind. You can get over the top fantasy anywhere these days.

That said, Intrepid has only shown that they care about the rule of cool. Which is fine. That art direction is not a dealbreaker for me. I would just prefer to see a fantasy bow that looks believable and ornate.

I hope we get a mix. It's hard for 'ornate realism' to look out of place in a rule of cool setting. They tend to just feel either elegant or 'plain' and I am ok with that. Some of my favorite gear is simple yet tasteful design choices. Too much complicated or flashy design can make a good outfit feel chaotic after all.

Also as a slight optimistic argument, your seeing a bunch of whale tier cosmetics designed to be flashy for immediate cash while prices don't have to make sense. Yes there will be in game equivs according to Steven, but a lot of non-cash shop stuff could still skew the elegant realism route. It really depends on if the design intention was drifted away from or if you are just seeing a skewed sample due to the nature of marketing. We'll see.

JamesSunderland

I don't think bows should be restricted by realism standards in a Fantasy MMORPG setting, i'm a fan of both simplistic and very fantasy-like bows.

The bow designs i like the most are from Lineage 2, their design goes from very simplistic on lower levels to very over the top on higher levels. I just love the visual progression.

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Atama

Those L2 bows look a lot like WoW bows.

Vaknar

While others have linked some great examples of different bows,

I'd love to ask if you've taken a look at some of the bows we've shown in the past. They can be found here, under 'artwork'!

As for using a single bow, you will certainly be able to equip and favor a certain bow. Leveling the weapon and utilizing the weapon skill trees over time will be a great way to hang on to your favorite weapons!

However, I cannot say specifically whether you could use the same bow throughout your entire playtime effectively without hindering yourself. We'll need to stay tuned for more info on that in the future!

JustVine

A lot of these designs posted in the last two posts above me are gaudy and chaotic. I think level 61-75 in James' post hits my limit in terms of taste. Everything past that is... Uhm, well 'cosmetic shop' feeling.

JamesSunderland

Vaknar wrote: »

While others have linked some great examples of different bows,

I'd love to ask if you've taken a look at some of the bows we've shown in the past. They can be found here, under 'artwork'!

As for using a single bow, you will certainly be able to equip and favor a certain bow. Leveling the weapon and utilizing the weapon skill trees over time will be a great way to hang on to your favorite weapons!

However, I cannot say specifically whether you could use the same bow throughout your entire playtime effectively without hindering yourself. We'll need to stay tuned for more info on that in the future!

I mean as long as you can take a weapon's image (in this case a bow's image) to apply that on other weapons that wouldn't be a issue, even tho i'm not sure we have information if that will be a thing or not in Ashes.

Atama

JustVine wrote: »

A lot of these designs posted in the last two posts above me are gaudy and chaotic. I think level 61-75 in James' post hits my limit in terms of taste. Everything past that is... Uhm, well 'cosmetic shop' feeling.

I agree. I didn't post WoW's bows to support the L2 style. Rather the opposite. WoW has a cartoonish aesthetic, with deliberately over-the-top visuals. I don't think those styles fit what Ashes of Creation is trying to do at all.

The link provided by Vaknar, though, hits the sweet spot for me. This is the gaudiest bow I see there:

That bow style is still very restrained compared to most of the L2 and WoW bows.

JamesSunderland

JustVine wrote: »

A lot of these designs posted in the last two posts above me are gaudy and chaotic. I think level 61-75 in James' post hits my limit in terms of taste. Everything past that is... Uhm, well 'cosmetic shop' feeling.

Not gonna lie after 76+ Lineage 2 bows starts getting kinda crazy and way less restrained, but for me WoW Bows are WAY too cartoonish for my taste(even tho its not a bad thing for WoW as WoW art style overall is pretty cartoonish). I disagree with Atama saying "L2 bows look a lot like WoW bows."

Ashes Art style looks to have a way more realistic and restrained than cartoonish approach to it, atlease for the bows currently present in Ashes wiki, we have no idea what level they are or what the other and future designs might look like.

Anonymous332

A lot of hideous bow designs in this thread lol, its too much and flashy.

Flashy gets boring real quick

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