Why not offer 2v2 Arenas?

Currently it seems only 1v1, 3v3 and 5v5 arenas are planned. How come 2v2 is overlooked? Playing a game togheter with only 1 friend is extremely common and I don't see why 2v2 should not be offered at all. I mean, in many other games 2v2 is immensely more popular than 5v5 and 1v1. Many players even prefer to focus on it!

I love 3v3 but sometimes just chilling with a single friend doing 2v2 is very fun and laid back. It has a slower pace than 3v3 while still offering you to play with a friend. When I feel like just playing for fun and start playing quickly with a friend 2v2 is the best way to do that. It is convenient. finding a third player is sometimes a hassle.

Also 2v2 opens up the option for viable non healer combos. In 2v2, you can usually pair anything you want and don't be heavily handicapped for not bringing a healer/support. This helps simply jumping in to games with strangers and friends without worrying all that much about combos.

Why not just offer 2v2 in combination with the other sizes? I believe you should offer it and don't see a reason why not.

Also, do we even need 1v1 arenas, when dueling is a thing? If you want them, do not make these rated, it is stupid. Please, do not have a single piece of content or achivement connected to 1v1. It will backlash like hell.

What do you think?

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bloodprophet

I personally hope they keep all rewards out of arena. Make it bragging rights , title rewards and cosmetics only. Keep all the good stuff in the open world so it don't devolve into a lobby game like WoW.

Vaknar

If you were in a 2v2, what classes/archetypes would your ideal 2v2 team consist of?

Noaani

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Astronaute wrote: »

2v2 and 3v3 should be the main focus, with separate ranking. 5v5, why not, but I know I will not enjoy it personally. For me, world PvP and 2v2 are kings because I don’t have many active friends.

So basically, WoW did arena really good, just copy the system: ditch 1v1 arenas, separate ranking for 2v2 and 3v3 to climb, and instead of looting gear, loot tokens with which we can buy gear.

This is what community wants, they will listen, don’t worry folks. After all, they cannot ignore the most popular arena mode ever, for whatever reason.

You are assuming the arena in Ashes and in WoW have the same goals.

In WoW, the arena was designed to be "the" competitive PvP aspect for the whole game. For Ashes, it is a side attraction.

Sometimes the side girl turns out better 😂

Yeah, but at the end of the day you are still left with someone that thought it OK to have a side girl, and someone that thought it ok to be that side girl.

Such people deserve each other, and nothing better, as is the case for players that want to focus on the arena in Ashes.

Pyrolol

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Astronaute wrote: »

2v2 and 3v3 should be the main focus, with separate ranking. 5v5, why not, but I know I will not enjoy it personally. For me, world PvP and 2v2 are kings because I don’t have many active friends.

So basically, WoW did arena really good, just copy the system: ditch 1v1 arenas, separate ranking for 2v2 and 3v3 to climb, and instead of looting gear, loot tokens with which we can buy gear.

This is what community wants, they will listen, don’t worry folks. After all, they cannot ignore the most popular arena mode ever, for whatever reason.

You are assuming the arena in Ashes and in WoW have the same goals.

In WoW, the arena was designed to be "the" competitive PvP aspect for the whole game. For Ashes, it is a side attraction.

Sometimes the side girl turns out better 😂

Yeah, but at the end of the day you are still left with someone that thought it OK to have a side girl, and someone that thought it ok to be that side girl.

Such people deserve each other, and nothing better, as is the case for players that want to focus on the arena in Ashes.

Jokes go way over your head ay
You know what won’t be a joke if done right
The arena

Marcet

2v2 should be a thing. And btw, screw the balance, im happy if a rogue is better than a healer in PvP, making it fair and balanced for everyone ends up being boring and a dead game. It's better for roleplay in a game, if someone wants to be good at PvP they will go towards making a rogue, warrior or some damage mage, not some kind of cleric that is actually inmortal and does more dmage than a dps class. Let supports support, and tanks tank.

Noaani

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Pyrolol

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Ofcourse you did 😂
Only someone who finds intense competitive arenas difficult would

Noaani

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Ofcourse you did 😂
Only someone who finds intense competitive arenas difficult would

Difficult isn't the word.

Pointless - that would be closer.

Pyrolol

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Ofcourse you did 😂
Only someone who finds intense competitive arenas difficult would

Difficult isn't the word.

Pointless - that would be closer.

Leaderboards, titles, cosmetics, rewards, competitive play, flexing
Wouldn’t say pointless

If you care so little about the arena why you even on this thread?

Noaani

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Ofcourse you did 😂
Only someone who finds intense competitive arenas difficult would

Difficult isn't the word.

Pointless - that would be closer.

Leaderboards, titles, cosmetics, rewards, competitive play, flexing
Wouldn’t say pointless

If you care so little about the arena why you even on this thread?

Well, no rewards, and in terms of competitive play it is nothing in comparison to open world competition.

Since I don't care about the rest (titles and cosmetics are literally meaningless, and I don't feel the need to flex at all), I stand by my statement.

But hey, if you're the kind of person that feels the need to flex that you participate in a secondary content type in an MMO, and brag about how well you think you are doing in it, have at it.

Just be aware that there will be people like me in the open world waiting for you, and we'll be putting that bragging to the test in real open world combat.

Marzzo

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Ofcourse you did 😂
Only someone who finds intense competitive arenas difficult would

Difficult isn't the word.

Pointless - that would be closer.

Leaderboards, titles, cosmetics, rewards, competitive play, flexing
Wouldn’t say pointless

If you care so little about the arena why you even on this thread?

Dont worry bro, they will have rated arenas with rewards. Its already confirmed. Now we just need to make steven choose 2v2 and 3v3 as arena options, and not 1v1.

Noaani

Marzzo wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Ofcourse you did 😂
Only someone who finds intense competitive arenas difficult would

Difficult isn't the word.

Pointless - that would be closer.

Leaderboards, titles, cosmetics, rewards, competitive play, flexing
Wouldn’t say pointless

If you care so little about the arena why you even on this thread?

Dont worry bro, they will have rated arenas with rewards. Its already confirmed. Now we just need to make steven choose 2v2 and 3v3 as arena options, and not 1v1.

Ranked yes, rewards is a bit of a stretch though.

Since the two games Steven is most influenced by had 1v1 arenas, you have your work cut out for you in trying to convince him otherwise - and I have yet to see a valid reason other than what amounts to "but I prefer 2v2", which is obviously countered with "but I prefer 1v1".

Marzzo

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Jokes;

The arena

That is all I read.

Ofcourse you did 😂
Only someone who finds intense competitive arenas difficult would

Difficult isn't the word.

Pointless - that would be closer.

Leaderboards, titles, cosmetics, rewards, competitive play, flexing
Wouldn’t say pointless

If you care so little about the arena why you even on this thread?

Well, no rewards, and in terms of competitive play it is nothing in comparison to open world competition.

Since I don't care about the rest (titles and cosmetics are literally meaningless, and I don't feel the need to flex at all), I stand by my statement.

But hey, if you're the kind of person that feels the need to flex that you participate in a secondary content type in an MMO, and brag about how well you think you are doing in it, have at it.

Just be aware that there will be people like me in the open world waiting for you, and we'll be putting that bragging to the test in real open world combat.

There will be PvP specific auguments for your gear that can only be aquired through praticipanting in pvp arenas etc

meedx

I don't see why you'd advocate for removing 1v1 rather than just adding 2v2.

Ashes main content and design is central to the open world, balance is going to be focused on
group play and 3v3 is the minimum you can call "group play", even that is a stretch and some would say it's 5v5.

But due to that, 2v2 would/will only ever come down to a few select comps of meta classes without the
annual/tri monthly balance updates like you see in wow to shake things up, 3v3 will have an easier time having natural flow between comps and class switch ups between the "meta" because of the choices and ability to change secondary archetype.

Maybe they could have per game mode skill balancing/changes and a dev to oversee balance and changes but since arena is an activity that is secondary to world content/pvp, idk.

wow is fairly unique in its stale cooldown trading arena style, not all arena games are like that and shouldn't aspire to be, its giga flawed as most people see every season

Marzzo

meedx wrote: »

I don't see why you'd advocate for removing 1v1 rather than just adding 2v2.

Ashes main content and design is central to the open world, balance is going to be focused on
group play and 3v3 is the minimum you can call "group play", even that is a stretch and some would say it's 5v5.

But due to that, 2v2 would/will only ever come down to a few select comps of meta classes without the
annual/tri monthly balance updates like you see in wow to shake things up, 3v3 will have an easier time having natural flow between comps and class switch ups between the "meta" because of the choices and ability to change secondary archetype.

Maybe they could have per game mode skill balancing/changes and a dev to oversee balance and changes but since arena is an activity that is secondary to world content/pvp, idk.

wow is fairly unique in its stale cooldown trading arena style, not all arena games are like that and shouldn't aspire to be, its giga flawed as most people see every season

Because 1v1 arenas should be reserved for military node minigames. It's more fun. More engaging, and more interesting.

JamesSunderland

It's interesting that all the guys advocating for the removal of 1v1 and the addition of 2v2, always "argue" from a personal opinion point of view.

There wasn't a single argument from a logical standpoint in the whole thread against the existence 1v1 arenas.

Noaani

Marzzo wrote: »

There will be PvP specific auguments for your gear that can only be aquired through praticipanting in pvp arenas etc

PvPspecific, yes.

Arena specific - not so much.

There will be rewards for PvP "seasons", but that includes arenas, caravans, wars and sieges.

I will wager that arena kills are weighted the lowest of the lot.

Spurius

Vaknar wrote: »

If you were in a 2v2, what classes/archetypes would your ideal 2v2 team consist of?

Two summoners. 4v2, hehe...

JustVine

Spurius wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

If you were in a 2v2, what classes/archetypes would your ideal 2v2 team consist of?

Two summoners. 4v2, hehe...

Well if we can summon 3 at a time its more like 8v2 depending on what kind of cc and body blocking they give us

Spurius

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