Action combat and PVE

Lately I've been seeing this sentiment that action combat doesn't suit PVE and I heavily disagree. Neverwinter and especially "Dragons Dogma online" xombat worked extremely well with pve. This isn't a post saying Ashes should lean for Action combat only, I'm just making the statement that Action combat can work well in PVE.

Dragon's Dogma went down so below are two examples:

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxiz4X6JC3jsNLXrTu1duCx9GaJw9iTsGB

https://youtu.be/90FP-yjZmhw

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Ferryman

Dygz wrote: »

Ferryman wrote: »

About the action-moba-MMORPG debate.. I have a few examples of MMORPG games where combat works well. Albion Online has MOBA style combat and can handle massive zergs as well. TERA has (or had) a good action combat system but that was the only thing they did right imo. Lost Ark has this some kind action system which includes some MOBA elements.. I guess. MOBAs are typically isometric games so I am not sure how much from there can be taken for Ashes, but perhaps some skillshot ideas.

Well... thankfully, Ashes will not have combat that looks like Albion Online.
Albion Online feels like a Social Media RPG. It's kind of a little bit better in some ways than playing D&D via Fantasy Grounds. Although, I still need to see how "classes" feel.
So far, the combat does not feel like "Action Combat".

Albion's combat ain't bad and it suits well for that game. Obviously fixed isometric camera and Moba style combat would not suit for Ashes. Albion is anyways a proof that MMORPG and MOBA can be combined and even quite succesfully. Additionally, RIOT Games is currently developing MMORPG and I am going to be surprised if the combat ain't Moba-styled. Moreover, Corepunk's top down camera and moba looking combat is some kind of combination as well. Then there is under development MMORPG called Fractured which is an isometric game and has some ARPG and Moba elements. Therefore, it looks like that there is this certain direction where MMOs are evolving. I am not saying it is the only one though.. It is of course understandable that gaming companies are trying to mix different kinds of genres and themes and that way develop something fresh.

Anyway, it is interesting to see how the next version of combat looks like and plays out in Ashes. I would also like to see how all the classes functions and hopefully more will be implemented and shared in the near future.

Dygz

It's fine to try to mix genres. And, sure, combat can work great for the genre or mix of genres the devs are trying for. As long as it's clear that it's a mix.

If someone wants to make an MMORPG/MOBA mix, that's great. But, Steven is not hoping to do that.

Ferryman

Yeah, nor he cannot unless making significant changes for the game concept, which obviously is not happening.

Mag7spy

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Um. Who said that action combat "can't work" in an MMORPG.
ANd what does "can't work" mean?

Meaning can't work as effective and better than Tab target.

I like the hybrid system concept. Its really the only option for best of both worlds. And the hot swap idea they had in alpha 1 was okay. I like action combat as a front line and tab as a back line. I think its worth them doing the work to make a hybrid system

And i mainly played the cleric in alpha 1, and activly swapped from action to tab often... is good to have both. Imo

I think this is the best way to do it, and just add heavy targeting so if people want to stay in action combat they can do so.

Mag7spy

NishUK wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Um. Who said that action combat "can't work" in an MMORPG.
ANd what does "can't work" mean?

Meaning can't work as effective and better than Tab target.

This is such a bad and stubborn answer...

This answer is the truth, and it is a very good answer. Any point on tab target as far as combat difference is fully sums up to clicking or tabbing a target and pressing a skill. And the reason why when it comes to tab vrs action combat people can't make proper strong examples why tab is better.

ClintHardwood

I really dislike tab target. I think a good way to do it is to have auto-target attacks which hit whoever you click on, and then aoe/skillshot skills that have to be aimed. Each class would have to juggle every skill type.

Ludullu

ClintHardwood wrote: »

I really dislike tab target. I think a good way to do it is to have auto-target attacks which hit whoever you click on, and then aoe/skillshot skills that have to be aimed. Each class would have to juggle every skill type.

And that's the kind of hybrid that Intrepid's trying to do

ClintHardwood

NiKr wrote: »

ClintHardwood wrote: »

I really dislike tab target. I think a good way to do it is to have auto-target attacks which hit whoever you click on, and then aoe/skillshot skills that have to be aimed. Each class would have to juggle every skill type.

And that's the kind of hybrid that Intrepid's trying to do

That's great to hear. All of these tab-target Andies are making me question common sense for no reason.

Ludullu

ClintHardwood wrote: »

That's great to hear. All of these tab-target Andies are making me question common sense no reason.

I meaaaaaan, if Intrepid's plan to develop a good hybrid doesn't work out, they'll go full tab. And I'm the andiest andy on this forum when it comes to tab (as long as there's no fucking gcd).

Ludullu

Otr wrote: »

You never played Guild Wars 2?

I haven't. Though I'm not sure how exactly that relates to my comment.

Solvryn

I’ve played action and tab, have done mythic raiding in WoW.

Action and a 40 man can be better than tab most of the time, it requires a lot more creativity, ingenuity, and innovation.

Ashes will be a pure hybrid, I won’t bank on what’s been said so far. They won’t do a tab centric game.

ashesplayer123

So far I got the impression that they are going for a "guild wars 2 style" system (+ you can actually switch to aiming with crosshair, which could work very well if you're playing on a controller, or a ranged character), with which I'm perfectly fine. I like gw2's targeting, it feels like it adds depth to the game (more creative abilities/fights).
The plain and simple tab targeting system (for example WoW's) just feels outdated.

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