SirChancelot wrote: » mcstackerson wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all? Only reason i argue against it is most people's experience with open pvp comes from games like wow where it servered no purpose and was more of a little things the devs allowed then part of the game. They will choose a server based off that experience in another game instead of understanding it's role in the game or how the system will change their overall experience. The flagging system is an intended part of the game and i'd rather people experience before we make make servers that shift away from the games original design. Now that argument I completely understand. People have a bad taste in their mouth and just want to stay away from it could be missing out. But still that is on them. And how does giving a player that choice effect you? It's not changing the PvX design. Giving them a PvE server wouldn't change your experience on the true PvX server. So why care what they do?
mcstackerson wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all? Only reason i argue against it is most people's experience with open pvp comes from games like wow where it servered no purpose and was more of a little things the devs allowed then part of the game. They will choose a server based off that experience in another game instead of understanding it's role in the game or how the system will change their overall experience. The flagging system is an intended part of the game and i'd rather people experience before we make make servers that shift away from the games original design.
SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?
George_Black wrote: » I do mind because it will cost money and I rather they focus on the game.
SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » I do mind because it will cost money and I rather they focus on the game. I could apply that terrible attitude to so many things in the game if I wanted to, but I'm a fan of letting people have fun and enjoy themselves. You should try it.
George_Black wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » I do mind because it will cost money and I rather they focus on the game. I could apply that terrible attitude to so many things in the game if I wanted to, but I'm a fan of letting people have fun and enjoy themselves. You should try it. Im not a fan of fluff. Pass
SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » I do mind because it will cost money and I rather they focus on the game. I could apply that terrible attitude to so many things in the game if I wanted to, but I'm a fan of letting people have fun and enjoy themselves. You should try it. Im not a fan of fluff. Pass Ok So should they save money, not hire any writers, and not do any fluff for quests? I mean you're not gonna read it and just take the quest anyways, why should they waste the resources... -____-
SirChancelot wrote: » Liniker wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all? You would not be there for me to PK I'm sorry you have to go find someone who actually PvPs instead? Isn't that why everyone wants a PVP game? To actually have a challenge? If you just want to stomp bots just do PvE... 😆
Liniker wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all? You would not be there for me to PK
JustVine wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » I do mind because it will cost money and I rather they focus on the game. I could apply that terrible attitude to so many things in the game if I wanted to, but I'm a fan of letting people have fun and enjoy themselves. You should try it. Im not a fan of fluff. Pass Ok So should they save money, not hire any writers, and not do any fluff for quests? I mean you're not gonna read it and just take the quest anyways, why should they waste the resources... -____- I will remind you there are people on this forum that believe all quests are wasted fluff. (Not me but definitely some people.) Subs pay for servers, is the real argument you should be making here. There is no waste of resources, only paying customers you wouldn't otherwise get. --- I think PvE servers will give people a false sense of what Ashes is in a way that will disrupt their brand image personally. A PvE server would almost certainly have the incorrect itemization distribution because the economy in Ashes needs to be built around PvP existing. So the PvE server would be worse on a technical level regardless if it is more enjoyable or not. If open world pvp is an actually failed concept to a western audience I don't want a halfbaked PvE server to give them an out. It should die a dignified death. A game with a flawed core concept is saveable but it needs to be completely rebuilt not just one feature switched off. That's what really saved FFXIV. They reworked a lot of the core game rather than just tweaking a few things once they realized their concept was flawed
SirChancelot wrote: » JustVine wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » George_Black wrote: » I do mind because it will cost money and I rather they focus on the game. I could apply that terrible attitude to so many things in the game if I wanted to, but I'm a fan of letting people have fun and enjoy themselves. You should try it. Im not a fan of fluff. Pass Ok So should they save money, not hire any writers, and not do any fluff for quests? I mean you're not gonna read it and just take the quest anyways, why should they waste the resources... -____- I will remind you there are people on this forum that believe all quests are wasted fluff. (Not me but definitely some people.) Subs pay for servers, is the real argument you should be making here. There is no waste of resources, only paying customers you wouldn't otherwise get. --- I think PvE servers will give people a false sense of what Ashes is in a way that will disrupt their brand image personally. A PvE server would almost certainly have the incorrect itemization distribution because the economy in Ashes needs to be built around PvP existing. So the PvE server would be worse on a technical level regardless if it is more enjoyable or not. If open world pvp is an actually failed concept to a western audience I don't want a halfbaked PvE server to give them an out. It should die a dignified death. A game with a flawed core concept is saveable but it needs to be completely rebuilt not just one feature switched off. That's what really saved FFXIV. They reworked a lot of the core game rather than just tweaking a few things once they realized their concept was flawed That... Is a completely reasonable counter argument. I would like to point out that I did mention that PVP would still exist, but apply only where necessary for those friction points (caravans, Castle seiges, node wars, etc ) Also I have no desire for PvE servers, as I wouldn't play on one, but wouldn't care if they were there was my stance.
SirChancelot wrote: » Ferryman wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all? I am not sure what you mean by PvE servers... No PvP at all or consensual PvP only? Anyway, it is hard to see that PvP aspect would be removed entirely even in these theoretical PvE servers because planned dynamic events such sieges and caravans. However, the world would work fine with consensual PvP which is more realistic wish. Anyhow, IF a such PvE server would be implemented then I would like to see a hardcore PvP server as well. Actually, this is exactly what Fractured is working on atm. They will have three different planets, PvE, PvX and PvP to cater three different playstyles. However, these planets are not own servers and instead part of the same game world. It is interesting to follow how well that goes. Surprise surprise, it is the PvX planet which rules have changed several times and causes constant debate. Consensual PvP only. Everyone keeps saying the game is designed for PvX and I get that. You can have the mandatory PVP associated with the things that would require it such as node sieges and the PVP zone around caravans, etc. Without having the full open world flagging. Corruption can still be a thing, it could come into play if someone goes on an NPC killing spree or something. If ashes launches and has 20 servers to choose from and 2-4 are for the people that don't care for PvP but want to play the game, then let them play there. Why should the other 80% of players care how that 20% portion wants to play? In my opinion saying it shouldn't be there is similar to me saying non combat pets are dumb, and just a waste, and not how the game should be played.... 80% of the population doesn't walk around with them anyways, only 20% collect and enjoy them, but I don't want them to enjoy themselves over there... And to the people saying stuff like "You are selfish for not willing to offer a bit of fun to PvP-ers." and "You would not be there for me to PK". Those are the exact reasons some people want the PvE servers, to get away from players that act like that. mcstackerson wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all? Only reason i argue against it is most people's experience with open pvp comes from games like wow where it servered no purpose and was more of a little things the devs allowed then part of the game. They will choose a server based off that experience in another game instead of understanding it's role in the game or how the system will change their overall experience. The flagging system is an intended part of the game and i'd rather people experience before we make make servers that shift away from the games original design. Now that argument I completely understand. People have a bad taste in their mouth and just want to stay away from it could be missing out. But still that is on them. And how does giving a player that choice effect you? It's not changing the PvX design. Giving them a PvE server wouldn't change your experience on the true PvX server. So why care what they do?
Ferryman wrote: » SirChancelot wrote: » Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers? Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all? I am not sure what you mean by PvE servers... No PvP at all or consensual PvP only? Anyway, it is hard to see that PvP aspect would be removed entirely even in these theoretical PvE servers because planned dynamic events such sieges and caravans. However, the world would work fine with consensual PvP which is more realistic wish. Anyhow, IF a such PvE server would be implemented then I would like to see a hardcore PvP server as well. Actually, this is exactly what Fractured is working on atm. They will have three different planets, PvE, PvX and PvP to cater three different playstyles. However, these planets are not own servers and instead part of the same game world. It is interesting to follow how well that goes. Surprise surprise, it is the PvX planet which rules have changed several times and causes constant debate.
George_Black wrote: » I agree. Ppl are dying for a new mmo because all the rest have done things very wrong. Every time I read a post saying "you lost me" Im thinking to myself "m**o you will log in in a heartbeat when it goes live, no matter how much you cry about x y z".
SirChancelot wrote: » If they're doing 20 servers, they're doing 20 servers. Dedicating a few to a different group isn't going to make those servers drain resources from the others. Thinking so is just silly.
Dygz wrote: » Probably. George_Black wrote: » I agree. Ppl are dying for a new mmo because all the rest have done things very wrong. Every time I read a post saying "you lost me" Im thinking to myself "m**o you will log in in a heartbeat when it goes live, no matter how much you cry about x y z". Yep. Even if Ashes goes P2W or caters to PvE and solo players, so...everyone may as well ask for what they want. Especially while we have nothing to do but wait for Alpha 2.
