We need PVE servers here's why

No we dont need PVE servers, get baited.

This is a pvx game, pvp and pve are the core of this game, every system is designed with pvp/pve in mind.
You cant avoid pvp in this game.

Most people think they will be killed all the time by players. That wont happen there are system to prevent constant PK unlike vanilla wow.

Will you get killed in the Open World sometimes? Yes
Will you get ganked in open world dungeons and raids sometimes? Yes
Will you have the freedom to do whatever you want in game? BIG YES

There are risks and rewards in this game. If Frodo went to Mordor in a PVE server would that be fun?NO

This is not about being casual or hardcore, its about freedom. You can PVE only in this game, but expect to be forced into pvp sometimes. But dont come here and ask for PVE servers or a way to avoid pvp when pvp is a core system.

Alpha 2 is meant to test stuff, the PK system will be tested and balanced, so dont ask for reworks or to remove it without it being tested. This is a pvx game stop trying to make it a pve only game please.

Its like going to McDonalds and ask for Pizza because you dont like hamburgers, makes no sense.

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JustVine

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Hailee wrote: »

I wish all the pve only cry babies would just go ahead and die,

in ashes

on a pvx server

playing the game the way it's meant to be enjoyed.

I assume you 'totally' mean that 'metaphorically' and not literally since you actually care about the forum's rules.

Either way this is totally uncalled for language in my opinion, no matter how much you disagree with someones tastes or opinions.

Clueless... looking for the worst in people automatically, through a prism, to the point that you are blind and cant read.

Oh? Would you care to explain to me what it meant then?

No.

Glad to hear. I'd rather have Hailee explain themselves.

Dygz

Um. Caravan runs are an activity people can do to satisfy their PvP itch for the day.
If they can find a Mayoral or [Node] Quest caravan.
Of course, satisfying a PvP itch for the day depends on how casual or hardcore the individual is with regard to PvP combat.

I don't know that anyone outright called it PvE content.
Again, what SirChancelot said several times is that even on a "PvE server", PvP would still occur for battlegrounds, like caravan runs.

We tend to generalize caravan runs as a type of PvP battlegrounds. Especially Mayoral and [Node] Quest caravans.
But, if no players attack the caravan - and no PvP combat occurs - that's PvE.

George_Black

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Hailee wrote: »

I wish all the pve only cry babies would just go ahead and die,

in ashes

on a pvx server

playing the game the way it's meant to be enjoyed.

I assume you 'totally' mean that 'metaphorically' and not literally since you actually care about the forum's rules.

Either way this is totally uncalled for language in my opinion, no matter how much you disagree with someones tastes or opinions.

Clueless... looking for the worst in people automatically, through a prism, to the point that you are blind and cant read.

Oh? Would you care to explain to me what it meant then?

No.

Glad to hear. I'd rather have Hailee explain themselves.

You made the accusation. Shouldnt you explain yourself on why you wrote what you wrote, based on the post you quoted?

JustVine

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Hailee wrote: »

I wish all the pve only cry babies would just go ahead and die,

in ashes

on a pvx server

playing the game the way it's meant to be enjoyed.

I assume you 'totally' mean that 'metaphorically' and not literally since you actually care about the forum's rules.

Either way this is totally uncalled for language in my opinion, no matter how much you disagree with someones tastes or opinions.

Clueless... looking for the worst in people automatically, through a prism, to the point that you are blind and cant read.

Oh? Would you care to explain to me what it meant then?

No.

Glad to hear. I'd rather have Hailee explain themselves.

You made the accusation. Shouldnt you explain yourself on why you wrote what you wrote, based on the post you quoted?

No.

Mag7spy

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Hailee wrote: »

I wish all the pve only cry babies would just go ahead and die,

in ashes

on a pvx server

playing the game the way it's meant to be enjoyed.

I assume you 'totally' mean that 'metaphorically' and not literally since you actually care about the forum's rules.

Either way this is totally uncalled for language in my opinion, no matter how much you disagree with someones tastes or opinions.

Clueless... looking for the worst in people automatically, through a prism, to the point that you are blind and cant read.

Oh? Would you care to explain to me what it meant then?

No.

Just vine is a pve Andy that thinks he knows what pvp is when he is a pve player. So he is mad when he hears pve doesn't take as much skill as pvp.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Um. Caravan runs are an activity people can do to satisfy their PvP itch for the day.
If they can find a Mayoral or [Node] Quest caravan.
Of course, satisfying a PvP itch for the day depends on how casual or hardcore the individual is with regard to PvP combat.

I don't know that anyone outright called it PvE content.
Again, what SirChancelot said several times is that even on a "PvE server", PvP would still occur for battlegrounds, like caravan runs.

We tend to generalize caravan runs as a type of PvP battlegrounds. Especially Mayoral and [Node] Quest caravans.
But, if no players attack the caravan - and no PvP combat occurs - that's PvE.

Why would people that want to be a on pve server want to do pvp content, literarily makes no sense.

JustVine

Mag7spy wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Hailee wrote: »

I wish all the pve only cry babies would just go ahead and die,

in ashes

on a pvx server

playing the game the way it's meant to be enjoyed.

I assume you 'totally' mean that 'metaphorically' and not literally since you actually care about the forum's rules.

Either way this is totally uncalled for language in my opinion, no matter how much you disagree with someones tastes or opinions.

Clueless... looking for the worst in people automatically, through a prism, to the point that you are blind and cant read.

Oh? Would you care to explain to me what it meant then?

No.

Just vine is a pve Andy that thinks he knows what pvp is when he is a pve player. So he is mad when he hears pve doesn't take as much skill as pvp.

Hmm? I supported not having a PvE server. Do you play fighting games by the way?

George_Black

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Hailee wrote: »

I wish all the pve only cry babies would just go ahead and die,

in ashes

on a pvx server

playing the game the way it's meant to be enjoyed.

I assume you 'totally' mean that 'metaphorically' and not literally since you actually care about the forum's rules.

Either way this is totally uncalled for language in my opinion, no matter how much you disagree with someones tastes or opinions.

Clueless... looking for the worst in people automatically, through a prism, to the point that you are blind and cant read.

Oh? Would you care to explain to me what it meant then?

No.

Glad to hear. I'd rather have Hailee explain themselves.

You made the accusation. Shouldnt you explain yourself on why you wrote what you wrote, based on the post you quoted?

No.

2022. Everybody labels people offensive. Reason? "No."

Have the decency to read again what Hailee said on her post. And then own up to your error and say "my bad. I was too quick to call you out".

But I dont expect that from you Vine. To you and Chancelot, people that have opposite opinions have "attitude" and their language is "inappropriate".
Whenever facts become too hard for you to handle you take offence.

If basic comprehention is absent I will bet that strength of character will also be absent for sure.

Mag7spy

I'm not talking about the 10% that might do pvp once in awhile, mainly for some kind of coin or item if its available from doing so. Most people that jump on pve just don't care about pvp as a whole.

so the whole point systems still work on a pve server where they can lose all their stuff would only cause pve players to further complain and want systems changed....

Solution is just having a good system that is good, the game is a PvX game and everyone should be included. Yes some WoW players will jump in and leave when its not what they are expecting but that isn't their target audience of pure pve hardcore dungeon runners that don't enjoy any element of risk.

Other people will realize its not that bad, they might have some frustrations but overall they will like and enjoy it. Where if they didn't try it to begin with they wouldn't have known they might have liked it to begin with. Because they have a bad perception that ganking will be unchecked which isn't true. If a guild decs you and is planning to take your spot and kill you, im sure there will be plenty of warning for you to head out and do your farming else where.

Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

Why would people that want to be a on pve server want to do pvp content, literarily makes no sense.

Because the issue is nonconsensual PvP.
And battegrounds are scheduled and consensual.
With battlegrounds, you do not lose "all" your stuff. And death penalties are disabled.

Grimseethe

Wait are there really no pve servers??? thats moronic.
Nothing worse than trying to level and enjoy the world and being ganked by cowards.
99% of the time whoever attacks first wins, they have time to prepare and can wait until youre in combat with an NPC, its cowardly and skilless, probably why ive never done it.
If i dont ever gank..why would i want to be in a server where im getting ganked.
Its not about being good, i used to solo teams in wotlk arenas, arenas and dueling take skill, ganking does not.

PVE servers are going to become your top priority now or thousands of players will be driven away.
Ive been loosely following this game for years and i didnt know this, most gamers arent on forums, they arent keeping up to date, when they find this out the drop off will be massive, trust me.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Why would people that want to be a on pve server want to do pvp content, literarily makes no sense.

Because the issue is nonconsensual PvP.
And battegrounds are scheduled and consensual.
With battlegrounds, you do not lose "all" your stuff. And death penalties are disabled.

I think you really don't understand the PvP in this game or pvp in general since you are a pve player, this game isn't shadowbane

Game is designed for it, there are plenty of other mmorpgs that are designed as PvE. Something not designed for only PvE only causes more issues in the end. As I've started before people demand more and more pve elements which that is not how the game is.

Why are you saying you lose all your stuff? Do you understand how the pvp is being designed in the game? IS that your only reason why they need PvE servers?

100% would be a red flag if PvE servers are thrown into the game I'd be worried about the core experience of the game. The PvE servers would have to work way different then pvp servers to be a proper game for them. Id rather development just be focused on the game that is ashes of creation.

I feel like a broken record at this point with the few people that are trying to push PvE servers and saying they can have some of the "pvp stuff" because that is the first step for them starting to demand other things.

Example
1. More solo content
2. More systems to support solo players
3. Instanced dungeons
4. If they feel dungeons are not up to par with games like WoW and Lost ark then will want more difficult ones created.
5. Combat balanced for PvX is another thing they might want adjusted since some skills might not be the best from a only PvE perspective.
6. Removal of caravan pvp so they don't lose all their transports.
7. Changes to the node system as they have no desire to pvp or lose anything because of it.
8. Dungeon que systems
9. Faster travel systems

Mag7spy

Grimseethe wrote: »

Wait are there really no pve servers??? thats moronic.
Nothing worse than trying to level and enjoy the world and being ganked by cowards.
99% of the time whoever attacks first wins, they have time to prepare and can wait until youre in combat with an NPC, its cowardly and skilless, probably why ive never done it.
If i dont ever gank..why would i want to be in a server where im getting ganked.
Its not about being good, i used to solo teams in wotlk arenas, arenas and dueling take skill, ganking does not.

PVE servers are going to become your top priority now or thousands of players will be driven away.
Ive been loosely following this game for years and i didnt know this, most gamers arent on forums, they arent keeping up to date, when they find this out the drop off will be massive, trust me.

Game is not designed for everyone, no game is it was pretty clear what type of game this was if you have been keeping up with any kind of information. A ton of players wouldn't be interested if it wasn't PvX.

Anyone saying I won't try this game because it doesn't have PvE while it is designed as a PvX game most likely wouldn't stay long either way and be subbed to the game. You are coming in bad faith with exaggerated idea of thinking the game is a gank fest. Understand the game, how the PvP works and make a judgment after playing it to see how the systems are in place so that doesn't happens that has been said again and again.

This is exactly why PvE carebears are a issue "PVE servers are going to become your top priority now" their top priority is making a PvX game lmao.

End of the day there are very few mmorpgs coming out and this is the only one not going to be pay 2 win. A shit ton of people will be picking up and trying the game when it eventually releases. But if you really think PvE servers are the priority (from being high on copium) I hear lost ark has a lot of pve content.

Grimseethe

Mag7spy wrote: »

Grimseethe wrote: »

Wait are there really no pve servers??? thats moronic.
Nothing worse than trying to level and enjoy the world and being ganked by cowards.
99% of the time whoever attacks first wins, they have time to prepare and can wait until youre in combat with an NPC, its cowardly and skilless, probably why ive never done it.
If i dont ever gank..why would i want to be in a server where im getting ganked.
Its not about being good, i used to solo teams in wotlk arenas, arenas and dueling take skill, ganking does not.

PVE servers are going to become your top priority now or thousands of players will be driven away.
Ive been loosely following this game for years and i didnt know this, most gamers arent on forums, they arent keeping up to date, when they find this out the drop off will be massive, trust me.

Game is not designed for everyone, no game is it was pretty clear what type of game this was if you have been keeping up with any kind of information. A ton of players wouldn't be interested if it wasn't PvX.

Anyone saying I won't try this game because it doesn't have PvE while it is designed as a PvX game most likely wouldn't stay long either way and be subbed to the game. You are coming in bad faith with exaggerated idea of thinking the game is a gank fest. Understand the game, how the PvP works and make a judgment after playing it to see how the systems are in place so that doesn't happens that has been said again and again.

This is exactly why PvE carebears are a issue "PVE servers are going to become your top priority now" their top priority is making a PvX game lmao.

End of the day there are very few mmorpgs coming out and this is the only one not going to be pay 2 win. A shit ton of people will be picking up and trying the game when it eventually releases. But if you really think PvE servers are the priority (from being high on copium) I hear lost ark has a lot of pve content.

No such thing as pve carebears, please pve my entire 23 years i was the best Dk pvper in wow arenas, soloing teams daily.
No PVE is a mistake, i wont hear otherwise, ganking takes no skill and people hate being ganked.
Game doesnt need to be deisnged for everyone, just need pve servers.
Hundreds of thousands will drop out in first month, due to want pve servers, write it down.

Grimseethe

Otr wrote: »

Grimseethe wrote: »

Wait are there really no pve servers??? thats moronic.
Nothing worse than trying to level and enjoy the world and being ganked by cowards.

Players who will kill PvE players will get corruption:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corruption
What do you think about this system?
Will it work?
Do you see any loopholes?
If it will work, then most PvE players will feel fine in the game.

It just make world pvp pointless, no one is going to do something if it makes them weaker and takes away QOL.
The novelty will wear off so fast.

CROW3

Grimseethe wrote: »

Game doesnt need to be deisnged for everyone, just need pve servers.
Hundreds of thousands will drop out in first month, due to want pve servers, write it down.

You’re not the first to have this opinion. Yet, PvX is exactly the game Steven is intending to build. The absence of PvE servers isn’t an oversight, it’s a goal.

You are free to conjecture that it will fail. A number of us think otherwise.

Mag7spy

Grimseethe wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

Grimseethe wrote: »

Wait are there really no pve servers??? thats moronic.
Nothing worse than trying to level and enjoy the world and being ganked by cowards.

Players who will kill PvE players will get corruption:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corruption
What do you think about this system?
Will it work?
Do you see any loopholes?
If it will work, then most PvE players will feel fine in the game.

It just make world pvp pointless, no one is going to do something if it makes them weaker and takes away QOL.
The novelty will wear off so fast.

I understand as a pve player its hard to understand but its something that just makes the game a lot more fun. While controlling and making sure players don't get out of control. Besides guild decs people won't just attack everyone which means you will be mostly safe and fine 70%-90% of the time. now if you try to piss people off and escalate situations that is your own risk you are playing with if someone ends up killing you.

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Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

I think you really don't understand the PvP in this game or pvp in general since you are a pve player, this game isn't shadowbane

LMAO
I am a PvP-sometimes player.
The PvP I prefer is objective-based PvP.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Game is designed for it, there are plenty of other mmorpgs that are designed as PvE. Something not designed for only PvE only causes more issues in the end. As I've started before people demand more and more pve elements which that is not how the game is.

LMAO
I know how the game is designed.
I also know what people are asking for when they ask for a "PvE server" with PvP flagging turned off...while still allowing battlegrounds.
And I understand why they ask for it.

Alpha 2 will allow us to evaluate how successful Corruption is at deterring non-consensual PvP.

I would love to see one server with non-battlegrounds PvP turned off - even if it's just to prove to PvE-only folk that it would suck.
But... it's already taken IS twice as long to release the game as they originally planned, so it's not worth the distraction to run that experiment.

Explaining to you what the concept is does not mean that I support the devs wasting time to implement the concept.

Mag7spy

Otr wrote: »

Hailee wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

They might get upset, hunt you down and kill you with a special finisher animation to punish you, when you are corrupt
Don't underestimate their rage.
Those bounty hunters are crazy berserkers.

That's exactly how I want the game to be. To have conflict, risk, changes and multiple good and bad interactions driven by player action.

Sounds like a good time.

Reading the wiki
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_death
I see

A non-combatant (green player) who dies suffers normal penalties
A combatant (purple player) who dies suffers these same penalties, but at half the rate of a non-combatant

So there is an incentive to fight back instead of just letting the other player become corrupt.
I am very curious how things will work out.
Probably if the PvE player will let himself die, the other loots him but will also curse a little and run away. Bounty hunters will not see the lightly cursed players, which is OK.

Will be an interesting game
No matter how this is balanced, PvE players will not be happy.

I agree purely pve players won't be happy to to get ganked once in awhile. Thankfully most the people that will be playing will be PvX as that is what the game is advertised, designed for, etc.

Same statement can be made for a hardcore pvp player feeling the penalties are too harsh and they only get to loot a potion of the persons gear. Or if you pvp too much your gear drops from being too corrupted .

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