PVP system thoughts

I'm curious if you guys can find any flaws in this system. Would this be a viable PVP system?
Set it to where players cannot attack/heal/buff another player that is more than 10 levels above or below you.
Add a hidden system that starts a timer when player 1 kills player 2.
During this active timer, player 1 CANNOT start a fight against player 2.
Player 2 CAN start a fight with player 1 during this timer, if they choose. (Some people want revenge!)
This will kill his timer and allow player 1 to defend himself.

The timer could completely keep you from starting combat against a player you recently killed or it could just corrupt you, making you lootable and marking your location on the map for bounty hunters.

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Azraya

Dygz wrote: »

No.
If that's the case, you put PvE-Only characters on a PvE-Only server.

prefer to have them together. pvpers give peaceful crafters alot of business.

Dygz

No.
Because one thing that most PvPers hate is permanently immune players running around in the same spaces.

Azraya

Dygz wrote: »

No.
Because one thing that most PvPers hate is permanently immune players running around in the same spaces.

literally all I do is PVP and I prefer having non-pvpers on the same server.

Dygz

The world... does not... revolve... around... you.

Azraya

Dygz wrote: »

The...world...does...not...revolve...around...you.

I know it doesnt revolve around me. I was just stating that because i dont think you're right. I dont think most pvpers want seperate servers.
No need to try and call me out as self-centered, tho.

Dolyem

Azherae wrote: »

My intention would be to overall increase levels of violence and conflict.

I didn't read much of anything else in this post but I am here for this. If not for the fun of it, then simply out of spite for people who clearly want a "PVX" server with absolute minimal PVP instead of a good balance of both PVE and PVP.

Azraya

Dolyem wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

My intention would be to overall increase levels of violence and conflict.

I didn't read much of anything else in this post but I am here for this. If not for the fun of it, then simply out of spite for people who clearly want a "PVX" server with absolute minimal PVP instead of a good balance of both PVE and PVP.

the more pvp the better. blood for the blood god.
i wish flagging for PVP was permanent.

Dolyem

Azraya wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

My intention would be to overall increase levels of violence and conflict.

I didn't read much of anything else in this post but I am here for this. If not for the fun of it, then simply out of spite for people who clearly want a "PVX" server with absolute minimal PVP instead of a good balance of both PVE and PVP.

the more pvp the better. blood for the blood god.
i wish flagging for PVP was permanent.

Now now, there needs to be a BALANCE. I think the corruption system is a good idea, it just needs to limit griefng, not get rid of it or eliminate world pvp.

Azraya

Dolyem wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

My intention would be to overall increase levels of violence and conflict.

I didn't read much of anything else in this post but I am here for this. If not for the fun of it, then simply out of spite for people who clearly want a "PVX" server with absolute minimal PVP instead of a good balance of both PVE and PVP.

the more pvp the better. blood for the blood god.
i wish flagging for PVP was permanent.

Now now, there needs to be a BALANCE. I think the corruption system is a good idea, it just needs to limit griefng, not get rid of it or eliminate world pvp.

yeah i agree with you. i think corruption has a solid chance of working as intended.
but i do think there are far more simpler ways to obtain the same end result for the state and balance of pvp.

Dolyem

Azraya wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Azraya wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

My intention would be to overall increase levels of violence and conflict.

I didn't read much of anything else in this post but I am here for this. If not for the fun of it, then simply out of spite for people who clearly want a "PVX" server with absolute minimal PVP instead of a good balance of both PVE and PVP.

the more pvp the better. blood for the blood god.
i wish flagging for PVP was permanent.

Now now, there needs to be a BALANCE. I think the corruption system is a good idea, it just needs to limit griefng, not get rid of it or eliminate world pvp.

yeah i agree with you. i think corruption has a solid chance of working as intended.
but i do think there are far more simpler ways to obtain the same end result for the state and balance of pvp.

Possibly! But sometimes you need something complex to keep loopholes from popping up

PenguinPaladin

Curruption increasing the death effect by ???% is really all i think they need to successfully punish those willing to kill greens too much. Depending on this setting, how much negative exp, how much damage your equipt gear takes... if turning red and dying is several hours of exp to make up, and breaks all your currently equipt gear, it'll become a chore fast...

Dolyem

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Curruption increasing the death effect by ???% is really all i think they need to successfully punish those willing to kill greens too much. Depending on this setting, how much negative exp, how much damage your equipt gear takes... if turning red and dying is several hours of exp to make up, and breaks all your currently equipt gear, it'll become a chore fast...

indeed, I think it needs a lot of testing but currently the entire corruption system is a bit extreme, but I do believe the death penalty route is a very good one. Can't wait to test it out and provide feedback.

Alienicon

I have been searching and can not seem to find the answers.
My understanding is there will be no PVE only servers. So will there be a way to level and enjoy the game without ever having to worry about being ganked? If not, this won't be the game for me. I'm a old timer who has no need to feel tough by ganking people in a game. So I avoid it like the plague.

Mag7spy

Alienicon wrote: »

I have been searching and can not seem to find the answers.
My understanding is there will be no PVE only servers. So will there be a way to level and enjoy the game without ever having to worry about being ganked? If not, this won't be the game for me. I'm a old timer who has no need to feel tough by ganking people in a game. So I avoid it like the plague.

Then why don't you just not gank people and play the game how you want to play it? And trust he developers to create a game people won't be grief heavily in. The barrier to entry isn't that big and you can surely find a group of people happy to have you and will look out for you.

But if you mind set any pvp means you refuse to play or try not much i can say then.

Ludullu

Alienicon wrote: »

My understanding is there will be no PVE only servers. So will there be a way to level and enjoy the game without ever having to worry about being ganked?

No pve servers and no way to 100% avoid being ganked. Sooner or later there will be a dude who'll want to kill someone and you will just so happen to be next to him.

And even if that never happens, there'll still be node wars, node sieges or caravan attacks - all of which would directly influence your gameplay, mainly in the way of you getting killed and your stuff getting destroyed/taken.

Azherae

Alienicon wrote: »

I have been searching and can not seem to find the answers.
My understanding is there will be no PVE only servers. So will there be a way to level and enjoy the game without ever having to worry about being ganked? If not, this won't be the game for me. I'm a old timer who has no need to feel tough by ganking people in a game. So I avoid it like the plague.

As of now, there is no way to do this as a 'normal' or possibly 'significant' gameplay option.

Asgerr

Otr wrote: »

There will be no material benefit to kill a low level player. And the leveling up does not take 12 months. Is relatively short.

Well it would take 45 days by playing at least 6 hours per day.

If someone can only play 3 hours per day, that's already 90 days or 3 months. That's still quite a lot.

And also, there of course will be a material benefit. The killed player will drop materials. Not finished/completed items such as a sword. But he will drop part of his ore to make that sword.

Azherae

Asgerr wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

There will be no material benefit to kill a low level player. And the leveling up does not take 12 months. Is relatively short.

Well it would take 45 days by playing at least 6 hours per day.

If someone can only play 3 hours per day, that's already 90 days or 3 months. That's still quite a lot.

And also, there of course will be a material benefit. The killed player will drop materials. Not finished/completed items such as a sword. But he will drop part of his ore to make that sword.

Also you should add on average about 1 day for every X deaths to the leveling process.

We don't know exactly what X is, yet, but we have:

Experience debt will scale to approximately 2 or 3 percent of the total XP for a max level player. These numbers are subject to change based on testing. [23]

Alienicon

Well, shoot. I was anticipating this game for years, I thought surely they would not fall prey to the new gen kids wanting to pvp all the time and cater to those of us who like to chill and do other things that do not involve pvp.
I do not see any MMORPG's coming down the pipe that are of half the quality of this game. But even they have the option to avoid pvp. I guess my generation is too small or insignificant to give consideration to.

Azherae

Alienicon wrote: »

Well, shoot. I was anticipating this game for years, I thought surely they would not fall prey to the new gen kids wanting to pvp all the time and cater to those of us who like to chill and do other things that do not involve pvp.
I do not see any MMORPG's coming down the pipe that are of half the quality of this game. But even they have the option to avoid pvp. I guess my generation is too small or insignificant to give consideration to.

I'd say to have faith.

With UE5 coming out, and lots of machine learning and other options, it would just take 'a big company seeing that Ashes' investment worked decently' and then doing their best to do a lot of what some might call 'copying'.

Except it isn't copying, really, it's just 'the next iteration of things MMOs have been doing for years.

If it turns out that 'your generation' is too small of a slice to be profitable or sustainable, sure, but there will always be more games, and the general quality will only keep going up. (I'll assume you do in fact like PvE monster fighting and so on).

MMOs 'take long to make' mostly from companies who want to build entirely new things with no piggybacking off their old content, but 'the Clone Wars' that follow the success of a game tend to have a lot of that and they're developed much faster since people can just reverse engineer working systems from other games.

All is not lost, probably.

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