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CROW3 wrote: »

BaSkA13 wrote: »

That's all I know about Druids, man.

You forgot to include bear tanks and stealthed horned pumas.

Please call them Bear Protectors thanks XD

LuKe_NuKeS_Em

Where are the Samurais, Ninjas, Pirates, Dragoons, Dark (Death) Knights, Engineers, Monks, and Barbarians?

Catmonkey

Dygz wrote: »

Catmonkey wrote: »

It's not so much the shapeshifting, more the class fantasy. I've never been interested in (WoW) hunters, or pet classes, so I don't think I'll want to play Ranger or Summoner.

I only ever play healers really. I played for ages as a Holy Priest in WoW, but Druid and Shaman both appeal more to me. I've never wanted to play a WoW Paladin either.

I dunno what you think a Druid's class fantasy encompasses.
It's typically a form of nature priest. In RPGs, it's fairly common for the class to include animal shape-shifting.
If Elemental Priest fits with your concept of Druid, Cleric/Mage or Mage/Cleric might be the way to go.

What I mean is I'm more drawn to the nature-based magic and healing than any shapeshifting.

I guess I'm heavily influenced by the version of druids and earth magic in 2000AD stories I read as a child, most specifically the Sláine strip. For example, Cathbad and Nest from Tír na nÓg, and Danu the earth goddess.

I don't recall shapeshifting from those stories, although Sláine could warp-spasm, contorting his body into powerful monstrosity (based on Cú Chulainn).

Couple that with pagan beliefs and traditions that centred around such things as nature, the seasons, the moon etc. or neo-pagan religions such as Wicca and my Green/environmental beliefs and that's more where I'm at.

D&D druids might have Wild Shape, but my idea of the character I want to play is based on the things I outline above rather than a norms in other fantasy games or characters like Radagast or Merlin (both arguably druids although also described as wizards).

daveywavey

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

Druids and monks were in the original game design but got scratched early on if I remember correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if they're an expansion later after release

I don't believe you're remembering correctly, the archetypes as far as I'm aware have never been altered since they were publicized. If you have a source though, I would be happy to be proven wrong.

I also wouldn't expect any new archetypes to be added through expansions. The amount of work required to add additional archetypes would likely be exponential, making it an unsustainable method for delivering new content.

I'm pretty sure I heard it off one of the CC's... maybe Jahlon ? Many apologies if I'm putting words in someone's mouth

Aha, well there's your problem right there. The only content creators worth listening to are Steven and Margaret, who do a monthly stream with REAL info.

Dygz

(I find it hard to believe Jahlon said Ashes will have a class called Druid. The Classes chart image in the Wiki has not changed since it was first revealed by the devs.)

Jahlon

A long time ago in a land far away, in 2017 when Steven did his very first 24 hour stream for charity, Steven was on about hour 22 and I asked him if there were ever going go be more than the 8 Primary Archetypes.

He said [paraphrase] Its funny you should ask that, originally we had 12 but we cut it down to 8.

When we started asking him questions about it, he immediately went from exhausted to refreshed, and didn't want to talk about which 4 didn't make it for obvious reasons.

So no, Jahlon never said there would be Druids.

Also for all the people who think that Druids were hunters/warriors and holy people living in the forest, do a little research on the Druids. While yes the Druids were religions leaders and healers, they were also teachers/scholars, political advisors, the legal authority (judges), and many other roles in the Celtic society.

LuKe_NuKeS_Em

It is too bad they eliminated the 4 other Archetypes. Players are hard pressed to find augments from their Guild, Religion, and Race to piece together the traditional Archetypes that are not present with just the Class/Subclass system.

I don't know anyone who wakes up and says "I want to play a Wild Blade, Song Warden, Predator, Spellstone, etc"

The classes with seemingly random names that have no emotionally compelling story to back up their design need to resonate, and that requires an education that players simply do not have time for.

There are plenty of already established Archetypes from culture and history that people know how they play and what they do simply by the name. Don't reinvent the wheel here, just use classes that people know and want to play.

Mag7spy

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NWRbyXhDBaA

Dygz

I mean...it's not like real-life Rangers were all dual-wielding and shooting magical arrows.
Fantasy Druids are not exactly like real-world druids.
RPG Druids typically include shape-shifting, but not always.

If your expectations are based on real-life chronicles and ancient poetry, Ashes is likely going to be significantly different than that.
The Ashes NPC Druids probably will be very different than real world druids.
Even though Ashes doesn't have a class named Druid, you might be able to find something that comes close to what you imagined a druid to be... just won't have the label of Druid.

CROW3

Dygz wrote: »

I mean...it's not like real-life Rangers were all dual-wielding and shooting magical arrows.

That’s bullshit, it’s common knowledge that Drizzt Do’Urden is an instructor at Ft. Benning. 🤔

Catmonkey

Jahlon wrote: »

While yes the Druids were religions leaders and healers, they were also teachers/scholars, political advisors, the legal authority (judges), and many other roles in the Celtic society.

This is true, but for me the class label isn't the important part. I call it a druid as most people have some sense of what that means in a general fantasy setting.

I'd be happy with playing a Treehugger or Wiccan or something if that got me the class fantasy I want.

daveywavey

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

I don't know anyone who wakes up and says "I want to play a Wild Blade, Song Warden, Predator, Spellstone, etc"

Huh, I said that exact phrase when I woke up this morning, including the "etc"...

LilWolfe

Good day to yall ^^
i also was thinking bout becoming a druid in this game and even tho it wont have the name i think it would still be possible to get the result of ur dream of shapeshifting and the like.
For example (ye i do know this game is still not finished so i am just letting my imagination run wild) if u look @ the summoner who ever said that it wouldn't have a skill to shapeshift into ur summon like we havent even seen the class in alpha and if it was in it who said it wasn't a skill in the 20ish or higher lvls as for having support skills if u can get cleric or bard in the mix for potential buffs to summons/teammembers u pretty much have a druid (as religous leader of the tribe dur to cleric or the performing of rituals from bard) + we know even less how the religion effects the abilities we get.
And @ the end of the day its what u think of urselfe whilst playing and when u're enjoying the game who cares just say to ppl who ask ur a druid.

i wish u a fun time playing and may u find the best playstyle for urselfe

TheDarkSorcerer

I do think a Druid or Nature class/subclass would be cool. Especially the way ashes is built with the changing environments. Being able to manipulate your surrounding nature elements depending on season. Making ground slippery during winter season or cause vines to shoot up from the ground to create a wall in spring.

Songcaller

LilWolfe wrote: »

Good day to yall ^^
i also was thinking bout becoming a druid in this game and even tho it wont have the name i think it would still be possible to get the result of ur dream of shapeshifting and the like.
For example (ye i do know this game is still not finished so i am just letting my imagination run wild) if u look @ the summoner who ever said that it wouldn't have a skill to shapeshift into ur summon like we havent even seen the class in alpha and if it was in it who said it wasn't a skill in the 20ish or higher lvls as for having support skills if u can get cleric or bard in the mix for potential buffs to summons/teammembers u pretty much have a druid (as religous leader of the tribe dur to cleric or the performing of rituals from bard) + we know even less how the religion effects the abilities we get.
And @ the end of the day its what u think of urselfe whilst playing and when u're enjoying the game who cares just say to ppl who ask ur a druid.

i wish u a fun time playing and may u find the best playstyle for urselfe

You can act through your summons and also be stronger through your summons as a summoner. Whether these eidolons will be nature based is anyone's guess. We are yet to see summoner in action at all.

LilWolfe

Neurath wrote: »

LilWolfe wrote: »

Good day to yall ^^
i also was thinking bout becoming a druid in this game and even tho it wont have the name i think it would still be possible to get the result of ur dream of shapeshifting and the like.
For example (ye i do know this game is still not finished so i am just letting my imagination run wild) if u look @ the summoner who ever said that it wouldn't have a skill to shapeshift into ur summon like we havent even seen the class in alpha and if it was in it who said it wasn't a skill in the 20ish or higher lvls as for having support skills if u can get cleric or bard in the mix for potential buffs to summons/teammembers u pretty much have a druid (as religous leader of the tribe dur to cleric or the performing of rituals from bard) + we know even less how the religion effects the abilities we get.
And @ the end of the day its what u think of urselfe whilst playing and when u're enjoying the game who cares just say to ppl who ask ur a druid.

i wish u a fun time playing and may u find the best playstyle for urselfe

You can act through your summons and also be stronger through your summons as a summoner. Whether these eidolons will be nature based is anyone's guess. We are yet to see summoner in action at all.

Tyvm for ur reply ^^
i fully know that this game is still not ready to open its gates and im just using my imagination to think of a playstyle as for summoner yes it is correct that u can use ur summons to fight and u might b able to have multiple up @ a time but u only have basic comands for them. my thought was either combining ur summmons into 1 strong awesome monster and than manually use it to fight for a more precise use of skills because its AI for the most part when u only summon them which is not the best in my opinion for dps and even worse for tanking because if the AI makes a mistake u risk a wipe even if its a offtank and who said that u cant make have mulitple paths to master ur class u can have up to 30 skills in ur hotbar if i remember right and a lvl cap of 50 from the start im sure we all will need time to adapt to find out how we want to build our charracters

wish u a nice evenin and fun playin ^^

Gandalfthegrape

bloodprophet wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

In WoW.

I was gonna say they same thing. They should stay there.

Why? It's one of the most interesting classes by far, lore wise, skill wise, in flexibility of purpose. The only things that might be more interesting are a warlock, deathknight/necromancer or bard. Id leave out archers, priests, and warriors before I ever left out a druid. Who wants to be some loser with a stick when you can actually just turn into a stick, raise the dead, use the power of the soul of the entire planet and channel it into a focused beam to incinerate you enemies. There is a lot of cool class concepts that wow never really expanded on for them, possession of animals, far sight was given to shamans, and symbiosis was a balancing joke but one of the coolest things ever and would have been fine if gear wasn't invalidated every third or fourth raid clear. They already have scailies in the game I don't know why you mad about druids.

Gandalfthegrape

Schmuky wrote: »

You know what I really like about threads like this? The simplicity of them. The whole thing is just "?". What do you want us to say to that? Where druids? What do you consider a druid? Do you mean a WoW druid or a DnD druid? Do you want to play a druid or do you like killing druids? What exactly are you asking?!

The .00001 sec of brainy thing usage suggests he is asking why druids aren't a class in the game

Gandalfthegrape

Dygz wrote: »

(I find it hard to believe Jahlon said Ashes will have a class called Druid. The Classes chart image in the Wiki has not changed since it was first revealed by the devs.)

Well it says Guardian so Guardian tank druids confirmed my friend.

bloodprophet

Gandalfthegrape wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

In WoW.

I was gonna say they same thing. They should stay there.

Why? It's one of the most interesting classes by far, lore wise, skill wise, in flexibility of purpose. The only things that might be more interesting are a warlock, deathknight/necromancer or bard. Id leave out archers, priests, and warriors before I ever left out a druid. Who wants to be some loser with a stick when you can actually just turn into a stick, raise the dead, use the power of the soul of the entire planet and channel it into a focused beam to incinerate you enemies. There is a lot of cool class concepts that wow never really expanded on for them, possession of animals, far sight was given to shamans, and symbiosis was a balancing joke but one of the coolest things ever and would have been fine if gear wasn't invalidated every third or fourth raid clear. They already have scailies in the game I don't know why you mad about druids.

Not mad just don't se any value there. As far as interesting classes they are by far the least interesting. Shapeshifting, Wooooo!
Keep the Chaos coming.

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