Open world Raid/Boss Possible problems

Asraiel wrote: »

i know you mean Interpid Studios when u writhe IS. but whenever i read it i understand first IS from Islamic State terror organization.

BaSkA13 wrote: »

Carebears

I disagree with most of what you wrote but these two quotes are priceless. Says more about you both than you realise. You actually putting words into my posts which were never meant to be there. I just can't get my head into your head spaces. lol.

Kardin wrote: »

Point 1: can be exploited super easy, simply let a friend kill you and pass you back the gear.
Or while you run (you need around 60 second not in combat and you can even log out while corrupted from what is written on the wiki) you should be able to take your gear off and then go jump from a cliff a dozen times, in that way you dont lose durability, you dont drop mats (since you should not have them in the first place) the only things you will lose is a little bit of exp but onestly is not a big deal even if is 10% every time you die.
Poin 2: is simple, does not matter. Exp can be farmed again and since we dont even know if you can go back in levels there is no point in talking about it

Then main point is that there are actually no downside in doing pk especially if you cant go back with levels, there are a lot of information that we dont know yet and the numebers of this penalty are not pubblic yet, at the moment the only downside that you cant avoid is a loss of around 3% exp at max level (wiki info) but can still be offset with a little bit of farm after you clense your corruption.
BUT if we dont have the actual number behind everythings is difficoult to even talk about "the best way to exploit this" but non the less it can be done [FOR NOW]

Beware of the lineage players. They would rather lead you down a garden path than admit the system is a subpar system.

Point 1 is a very valid point, and, more to the point, it can't be remedied. Some people used to say that killing a corrupted player should turn you corrupted to deal with this point but naturally cooler heads prevailed. You could kill a friend but then the devs moved corruption from the Military Node and made corruption free from nodes. This means that 'friends' just need to protect the corrupted player long enough for the corrupted player to kill enough PvE mobs to go straight.

Point 2 is also remedied by my point above.

The main problem remains that in an open world scenario we have to do a dance. That is, one player flags purple by hitting another player, and, that player who was hit must then fight at a disadvantage dependent on how much health was lost in the instigating attack. Some people love to fight with a handicap and those people will always go corrupted. Those people would also always flag purple when struck first. The rest of the players will just die because they don't want to fight with a handicap and would not start a fight either.

Hahhahh. OP, all your "exploits" have been explained in other corruption topics. How about we get back on the original topic of this thread and then you can read other corruption posts elsewhere?

The problem has happened because other people said the thread topic would be remedied by the corruption system when it won't be because the topic of thread is not griefing in the first place.

Btw OP, dont you think that all the "exploit" scenarios have alrdy been addressed in the other MMOs that use this system?
Why do you doubt us?

tautau

@Neurath "Beware of the Lineage players."

That is the best line I have seen on these boards for Ages! I truly hope that you are quoted forever on that one, because it's true. We are a bunch of hardened, experienced, remorseless old farts with the knowledge and patience to achieve our goals.

Yes, I'm well aware of the heritage

@Neurath have you played L2?

I had a Dark Elf Archer but by 2008 I'd found Age of Conan and I preferred the Ranger from Age of Conan. I felt C4 and C5 were the epitome of L2 so the anti climax afterwards made my attention drift. I was lucky to test Age of Conan a few months before the game launched. I realise Age of Conan has a bad rap but the bloody effects really gripped me. I'm more of a graphical junky than not which is why I left EQ for EQ2 and L2 for AoC (Age of Conan) and why I promoted UE5 for Ashes. I was a tad disappointed that the devs for Ashes didn't go for Dark Elf and instead massacred Wood Elf. However, I'm digressing a lot.

So you would know that the concern that players can just /trade their friends after a PK (going red) and dying them is NOT VALID because nearby people can jump on the red, kill them and loot before the trade is complete. It is then a matter of luck for the friend of the red to try and pick up the dropped weapon and armor BEFORE all these nearby people do.

And if there arent nearby people, the red and his friend might as well kill mobs to remove the corruption. There is NO EXPLOIT.

Now if there is a bunch of people on the same group/guild and one of them goes red on a few innocent greens, them greens can go cry to their mom. If there are nearby bystanders they may choose to keep their heads down, or attack the red, in which case:
the friends of the red will kill them, going red also.
the healer of the red will heal, going purple; the bystanders can keep attacking the red endlessly or try to take down the purple healer, in which case they will be legally killed.

Either way, the red and his big group of friends can ride into the sunset to burn off the corruption doing PvE instead of /trade /kill.
Still not an exploit.

Who ever told you or the OP that if you go red you must 10000% lose your gear?
This system is subpar to you? Go play AA then which I tried and find it to lack objectives for guild glory, splitting half your gametime doing chores for profit and the other half chacing gear enchantments on the same boring path.
Not to mention the p2w.

I will agree with one thing. I too lost interest after C5. But the PK/karma system is the best pvp system for a proper open world mmo.

No one said they must lose the gear. Steven said there is a small chance for losing gear once a player has been tainted by corruption. Steven also said that the level of corruption increases the chance to lose gear. I never even mentioned losing gear. I only mentioned the 60% 40% loot split dependant on damage and of course the fact that the dance makes pvp shit. I'd much rather just have the straight forward World PvP but I realise that Ashes does not have world pvp the same as other games.

I was quite intrigued by Throne and Liberty. I'm not sure whether I'll play it on Ps5 rather than A2. I didn't really want to level twice in Ashes. I had enough of all the levelling in A1. Of course, TnL is not the l3 anymore, they turned from Lost Ark style to 3rd person style. I tried to put the click move pointer into Ashes like L2 had. I think combined with free flow combat the system would've grand. I still plan on guarding caravans so the corruption system shouldn't really apply except when I'm levelling.

I still think that removing the ability to kill the PKer if you're in the same party/raid/guild/alliance would be a good addition, just to justify the BH system and make the "red gameplay" riskier.

While the interaction itself is not an exploit, I do think it makes the red's life easier and, imo, more boring. You wanna live life on the edge - do so. Be hunted and try killing mobs while several BHs are on your ass. That seems like an amazing way to spend an evening to me.

It will be a game of cat and mouse. The corrupted players don't need to get rid of corruption to fight bounty hunters...the corrupted players don't lose fighting efficiency against bounty hunters. Players will go corrupted just to fight Bounty Hunters.

Neurath wrote: »

It will be a game of cat and mouse. The corrupted players don't need to get rid of corruption to fight bounty hunters...the corrupted players don't lose fighting efficiency against bounty hunters. Players will go corrupted just to fight Bounty Hunters.

Yes, and that game is more fun than just PKing someone when you need to and then your friend clearing your corruption immediately (that is if dying is the only valid way to remove corruption).

And this would address the complaint of "group friends can PK freely and avoid the biggest penalty of the system". Obviously dying to your friends is still not really an exploit, because you're not avoiding the main penalty, but I agree that the gear drop part gets kinda weakened in that case.

And as I said, this change would just make the system more fun imo.

Sometimes I wonder if people read my posts or just all get on the same bandwagon. I was very clear that you can just kill PvE entities to get rid of Xp debt and corruption at the same time. Hell, bounty hunters have to flag in order to locate corrupted players, thus, the green friends could also nuke the Bounty Hunter.

Neurath wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder if people read my posts or just all get on the same bandwagon. I was very clear that you can just kill PvE entities to get rid of Xp debt and corruption at the same time. Hell, bounty hunters have to flag in order to locate corrupted players, thus, the green friends could also nuke the Bounty Hunter.

Literally says "flags only to corrupted players"
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Bounty_hunters

So the green friends will have to go corrupted too.

And yes, you can kill mobs to remove corruption, but we don't know the details about how much corruption it removes and whether it'd be just way faster to just die to a friend (which I addressed in my post). So removing the ability of your friends to kill you (that is if you're in a guild/raid/alliance together) would add a much bigger push to farm mobs instead.

Alternatively you could die to a mob, if you have strong mobs near you that would kill you fast enough. But if you have those mobs and your friends with you - it'd obviously be more beneficial to avoid the death penalties as a whole.

Yeah, I used to joke that I would kill the corrupted until they dropped the weapons so they can't kill PvE. They'd have to just suicide. Yet, I've decided on a different course of action. Its not even clear if healing a grouped corrupted player will turn you corrupted or not. Seeing as the killing blow makes one corrupted. Anyway, the whole system will be different after A2. Its why I'm rather ambivalent about the whole process and especially the die hard dispositions some have on the corruption system right now.

Normally, I wouldn't even trouble my brain or waste my time with things that are all subject to change. However, I move in and out of being stoked for Ashes and thus drift onto the forums and waste time before I lose interest again and disappear for a time.

Neurath wrote: »

Anyway, the whole system will be different after A2. Its why I'm rather ambivalent about the whole process and especially the die hard dispositions some have on the corruption system right now.

It would be quite bold of Intrepid to completely shift from the currently promised system. And the fact that they've barely changed their systems/promises in the past 5 years leads people to be quite adamant in their belief in what the pvp system will be. Especially when you compound the absence of change in design direction with Steven's love for L2/AA, with L2 being the main inspiration for the pvp system.