Sapiverenus wrote: » Pretty sure it'll be like $700 - $2000 server-price per 10k player capacity lol. Assuming there's a lot of data throughput and calculations per player from action combat or whatever.
SongRune wrote: » Sapiverenus wrote: » Pretty sure it'll be like $700 - $2000 server-price per 10k player capacity lol. Assuming there's a lot of data throughput and calculations per player from action combat or whatever. Ah yes, the "we don't need to pay sysadmins, devops, network engineers, GMs or user support staff" cost model. A server will cost many tens of thousands of dollars per month to manage and support even if it costs far less to physically run.
Sapiverenus wrote: » SongRune wrote: » Sapiverenus wrote: » Pretty sure it'll be like $700 - $2000 server-price per 10k player capacity lol. Assuming there's a lot of data throughput and calculations per player from action combat or whatever. Ah yes, the "we don't need to pay sysadmins, devops, network engineers, GMs or user support staff" cost model. A server will cost many tens of thousands of dollars per month to manage and support even if it costs far less to physically run. Okay, full model. $48k [15?] GMs per 10k players. Sysadmin and devops; not sure about sysadmin and not sure how necessary a high devop count would be but let's add $15k per 10k players; up to 50k players or something. That is $48k - $63k per $150k. $102k - $87k. If you think otherwise then state why.
Sapiverenus wrote: » Sathrago wrote: » Taaku wrote: » Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise youd be paying way more without them. I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And i'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now. Yet the problem is reality and it cannot be changed without massive repercussions. So you cant really expect things to change. Sorry. What repercussions lmao. The cash shop stuff is going to be in the game as something others can simply work for in-game rather than buy [according to another poster in the thread], so the reality has indeed been changed, without repercussions. I hope it is made more public that these items will be available in-game as something one can work towards (or variants of them).
Sathrago wrote: » Taaku wrote: » Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise youd be paying way more without them. I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And i'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now. Yet the problem is reality and it cannot be changed without massive repercussions. So you cant really expect things to change. Sorry.
Taaku wrote: » Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise youd be paying way more without them. I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And i'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now.
Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise youd be paying way more without them.
Taleof2Cities wrote: » Oreyeon wrote: » They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge. That's not a good answer, @Oreyeon ... I don't see a career for you on the revenue teams of any flagship MMO. The subscription cost of $15 USD would probably double or more if you exclude the cash shop. There are already forum threads asking for a sub discount based on their country of residence or student status. DLC/expansions won't cost more than the normal subscription (according to the Wiki). So, you can see where your idea is heading. Remember that Intrepid is planning in-game cosmetics that are the same or better than the cash shop. Make sure you check out the forums search feature ... before posting a new thread on a topic that is very much a dead horse.
Oreyeon wrote: » They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge.
novercalis wrote: » Taleof2Cities wrote: » Oreyeon wrote: » They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge. That's not a good answer, @Oreyeon ... I don't see a career for you on the revenue teams of any flagship MMO. The subscription cost of $15 USD would probably double or more if you exclude the cash shop. There are already forum threads asking for a sub discount based on their country of residence or student status. DLC/expansions won't cost more than the normal subscription (according to the Wiki). So, you can see where your idea is heading. Remember that Intrepid is planning in-game cosmetics that are the same or better than the cash shop. Make sure you check out the forums search feature ... before posting a new thread on a topic that is very much a dead horse. HELL - I AM ON THE BOAT OF SUBSCRIPTIONS SHOULD PROLLY BE $25 to ensure Active GMs, Active Customer Support, Actively banning Gold Farmers, Cheaters, Hackers It's 2022 - not 1999.. Inflation is real, everything is more expensive than before. Including Devs paygrade, Call Center CS, GM pay rate, Server Costs, Website Cost... the $10-15 model is fucking outdated.
Oreyeon wrote: » Way to lump yourself in with all of the other devs that are ruining gaming with cash shops. I'm super tired of cash shops in these games. Pay real world money for cosmetic or pay to win items. I know that your game doesn't have pay to win stuff, but still. When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT. That magic is gone with these stupid and greedy cash shops.
LordBlank wrote: » novercalis wrote: » Taleof2Cities wrote: » Oreyeon wrote: » They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge. That's not a good answer, @Oreyeon ... I don't see a career for you on the revenue teams of any flagship MMO. The subscription cost of $15 USD would probably double or more if you exclude the cash shop. There are already forum threads asking for a sub discount based on their country of residence or student status. DLC/expansions won't cost more than the normal subscription (according to the Wiki). So, you can see where your idea is heading. Remember that Intrepid is planning in-game cosmetics that are the same or better than the cash shop. Make sure you check out the forums search feature ... before posting a new thread on a topic that is very much a dead horse. HELL - I AM ON THE BOAT OF SUBSCRIPTIONS SHOULD PROLLY BE $25 to ensure Active GMs, Active Customer Support, Actively banning Gold Farmers, Cheaters, Hackers It's 2022 - not 1999.. Inflation is real, everything is more expensive than before. Including Devs paygrade, Call Center CS, GM pay rate, Server Costs, Website Cost... the $10-15 model is fucking outdated. Lmao call center CS. How old are you? Also let's raise the cost to $30 or $40
Scarbeus wrote: » As long as the cosmetic items stay in theme with the game (as in, we don't get people running around looking like Santa) then I really don't see the problem with it. If you do, then the good old Steven quote "This game wont be for everyone" just fits in here once more.
Sapiverenus wrote: » @Natasha Looks good to me
Taaku wrote: » I do agree, if there is going to be a Sub fee monthly then there shouldn't be any cash shop / cosmetic shop. What ends up happening is a lot of devs / artists are then needed to pump out "premium" shop items regularly. I would prefer the studio put the money paying for all that dev work to go towards more "Content" devs. So the game / world can be enhanced more, at regular intervals. Paying a Sub fee should be enough cash for everything the game needs, and more if you have an actual good game. Letting the content suffer for a boost to profit is not good for any game in the long term... *cough cough* WoW *cough cough*.... sorry something stuck in my throat.
