Should there be an outlaw town for Pkers?

Based on my time in the game UO, aka Ultima Online, where you had a PKer system where you went from grey to red. Grey being your open to attacks cause you killed someone or stole from someone, too red where you are just a killer, and you can enter any towns without being killed by guards.

Not sure if this topic was talked about, but I was thinking, why not have a town for the killers?

If not a town, then a caravan type, one they can be setup in hidden locations, and can grown to a level 2 or 3 only. This town needs to be one that can be taken down, and could be relocated to a different hidden location. One only known by a few PKers. A safe place for them to call home, and where they can sell or buy goods as needed.

Think of it as an outlaw town, one that could be moved after a day or two. A few tents and shacks and this can be a nice place for the villain type players. What do you think? Of course these type of camp towns wouldn't be allowed to be setup close to regular ones.

This is just a though, one I am floating out there, to see if others like it or not.

So what do you think? Please express yourself.

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Dolyem

novercalis wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

Still like the idea of micro areas/places on the map a pk`er can lurk in that is not on the BH`s map.

Like the troll in three billy goat`s gruff! Under a bridge off the map, in a small cave off the map.

Not a lot of places but perhaps a few places scattered across the map, just to provide a bit of spice!

the underworld.

On the map, for all we know it may show the player, the BH arrives and realizes you're underground now.

Oooo that'd be really cool if Bounty Hunters couldn't track corrupted in the underrealm, assuming the underrealm is small enough to be searched by a bunch of bounty hunters manually. But honestly I think this wouldn't be very necessary due to corrupted being able to flee to the ocean.

Strevi

Dolyem wrote: »

novercalis wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

Still like the idea of micro areas/places on the map a pk`er can lurk in that is not on the BH`s map.

Like the troll in three billy goat`s gruff! Under a bridge off the map, in a small cave off the map.

Not a lot of places but perhaps a few places scattered across the map, just to provide a bit of spice!

the underworld.

On the map, for all we know it may show the player, the BH arrives and realizes you're underground now.

Oooo that'd be really cool if Bounty Hunters couldn't track corrupted in the underrealm, assuming the underrealm is small enough to be searched by a bunch of bounty hunters manually. But honestly I think this wouldn't be very necessary due to corrupted being able to flee to the ocean.

Corrupted entering the ocean would not make them safe or less corrupted. They wouldn't start fighting without penalties just because they are there, isn't it?

Dygz

Pretty sure that we will be able to tell that our PvP target is far enough below our level(s) that a 1 shot is possible. Might want to seek out a fairer fight.
One PK should be a fairly low Corruption Score - and relatively quick and easy to get rid of.
Mistakes happen.

I don't think 1-shotting another player can be accidental, though.

Strevi

novercalis wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

Still like the idea of micro areas/places on the map a pk`er can lurk in that is not on the BH`s map.

Like the troll in three billy goat`s gruff! Under a bridge off the map, in a small cave off the map.

Not a lot of places but perhaps a few places scattered across the map, just to provide a bit of spice!

the underworld.

On the map, for all we know it may show the player, the BH arrives and realizes you're underground now.

To make the underworld a place where corrupted players can escape would be a bigger game design change than making the oceans auto-flag.
If corrupted players get a safe place then the game must ensure that the corruption gets more difficult to remove if the benefits of safety is used and that they cannot leave that safe place for long time to clean the corruption. This would ensure that the game remains fair for non-combatants even if bounty hunters fail to do their job.

Also the OP request to have tents, shacks or even a full town for PK-ers would also need game mechanics to prevent the PK-ers kill each other.

But such a change would create a faction. The corrupted faction.
I know the wiki say there will be no factions and while the concept is interesting, the reason to have no factions is because each node with it's citizens is actually a faction.

If the game is balanced well, fighting against other nodes will always be possible and no pk faction is needed.
If a general peace between all 85 nodes is stable for long time, then the balancing failed.

There is so much focus that a PK-er might kill a non-combatant and how we protect them but actually if the node or alliance is at war, they have to fight.

Garrtok

Can we stop arguing about that? No, it's a rubbish idea.

novercalis

I think people are misunderstanding my point.

Corrupted player is marked on the Bounty Hunter map.

The corrupted player flees to the underground. We know the under realm are node large sizes. Multiple entrance.

The Bounty Hunter see's a dot on the mini-map and proceeds to go to it. HOWEVER the map doesn't tell him if the Corrupted player is above or underground. So when BH arrives - he quickly realize, that SoB is in the under realm. He can still proceed to chase him and go down there to kill him. BUT BY NO MEANS PROTECTING or giving a safe space to PKer.

All the under realm does, perhaps is buy them some time, as the mini-map can not determine if the player is located above or below you.

Strevi

Ah, thanks for clarifying.
Sound like a good idea.
Maybe information on these minimaps could depend on how much the BH advanced on this profession.

Dygz

I expect we will be able to tell if someone is in the Underrealm - expect there to be something like a mini-map of the Underrealm.
At the very least, expect it to be similar to the WoW mini-map, where there are markers for whether a target is above or below you or even in-doors.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

I expect we will be able to tell if someone is in the Underrealm - expect there to be something like a mini-map of the Underrealm.
At the very least, expect it to be similar to the WoW mini-map, where there are markers for whether a target is above or below you or even in-doors.

hopefully, but it will probably be like l2, you cant really tell if they are above or below you based on mini map coordinates. however, there are some little tricks that can help you figure it out

I guess we will see when the game is out

Dygz

Why would it be like L2??!!??!!

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

Why would it be like L2??!!??!!

because 80-90% of the game is already like l2??!!??!!

Dygz

Expect the tech for Ashes to be more advanced than a game which released 20 years earlier.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

Expect the tech for Ashes to be more advanced than a game which released 20 years earlier.

I'm not talking about the backend and all the invisible systems the players cant see. I'm talking about the front end and all the systems the players can see

allowing people to see wether they are above or below you has nothing to do with the available technology. its a design choice

Ludullu

And I definitely hope Intrepid make a better fucking map. I hate 99% of current maps in games. Why in the hell would you have a shitty map!?

Songcaller

Most shitty maps happen because of fast travel, flight and instances.

Depraved

what is a shitty map

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

what is a shitty map

The one that doesn't show anything properly, doesn't show elevation differences, has no details and looks like shit

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Expect the tech for Ashes to be more advanced than a game which released 20 years earlier.

I'm not talking about the backend and all the invisible systems the players cant see. I'm talking about the front end and all the systems the players can see

allowing people to see wether they are above or below you has nothing to do with the available technology. its a design choice

I don't know why you brought up backend.
Expect the Ashes mini-map to show what is underground since that is possible with modern tech - rather than expecting the minimap to be limited to the tech available when L2 released.
Makes no sense to have an Underrealm and not be able to track what's there via the mini-map - unless there's no tech to support that feature.

novercalis

NiKr wrote: »

And I definitely hope Intrepid make a better fucking map. I hate 99% of current maps in games. Why in the hell would you have a shitty map!?

honestly - FUCK MAPS... there shouldnt be map. Let me get lost in the world and start memorizing key points.

At the very least - IF WE MUST HAVE MAPS.... let it be a profession - a cartographer. People can sell their maps of what they have explored. It will uncover in your personal Map - BUT it doesnt unlock when you try to sell your map - you still needed to visit it in person to sell a full map.

basically just because you bought 20 maps to unlock the full world, doesnt mean you can get to sell a full world map - Little boarder indication showing what you uncovered vs what you bought. You can only sell what you uncovered, as to keep Cartographers special.

Maps are lootable and decays.

Now we can also do other fun things with cartographers
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/54327/surveying-and-or-cartography-can-we-create-this-as-a-profession#latest

but in the end - I am in favor of no map. Make Landmarks important.

Ludullu

novercalis wrote: »

honestly - FUCK MAPS... there shouldnt be map. Let me get lost in the world and start memorizing key points.

At the very least - IF WE MUST HAVE MAPS.... let it be a profession - a cartographer. People can sell their maps of what they have explored. It will uncover in your personal Map - BUT it doesnt unlock when you try to sell your map - you still needed to visit it in person to sell a full map.

basically just because you bought 20 maps to unlock the full world, doesnt mean you can get to sell a full world map - Little boarder indication showing what you uncovered vs what you bought. You can only sell what you uncovered, as to keep Cartographers special.

Maps are lootable and decays.

Now we can also do other fun things with cartographers
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/54327/surveying-and-or-cartography-can-we-create-this-as-a-profession#latest
but in the end - I am in favor of no map. Make Landmarks important.

Yes, I'd love this too, but still as long as the map that I get from a cartographer looks great. We'll have magic, summons and we've already seen the dreadful YELLOW HAMMER. All of those things mean that people can create visual illusions. Make cartographers a fucking 3d mapping tool and make their maps a magic projector rather than just a piece of paper.

In other words, do better.

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