No Discrimination is a Design Flaw and is Immersion Breaking

Steven recently revealed that, "no, there's no, there's no, there's no built in, umm-uhhhh, there's no built in discrimination provisions" that you can set for your freehold/property. And I see that as a huge design flaw and immersion breaking. Players already discriminate against each other by making race specific guilds, and this will probably be the same in AoC with guilds AND families AND religions. Why not extended that social feature to active game play?

Some rando player can keep buying my food buffs from my shop and keep killing me. Or that annoying person in world chat that I don’t want to be associated with so I set it so he can’t buy my stuff. By allowing everyone on the server to gain access to my property I will be supplying my friends but also my foes.

This design flaw also breaks the game's fantasy immersion. Those Tulnar always stink up my Dunir Tavern and break my beds. If you can't fork up that extra gold (every other race is regular price, Dunir get discounts) to get my sleep buff then get the hell out of here.

House models need to include these discrim... social features too. Am I to expect that those giant mammalian Tulnar are suppose to be able to fit through a regular human door? Or an even smaller Dwarvin door (because why would a dwarves' house have a regular human sized door on it).

In conclusion, Intrepid is practicing poor game design by not implementing discrim... certain social features into the game. I hope they realize this in development, but will certainly hear about it during A2 testing.

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daveywavey

Ravicus wrote: »

Yes, I want body parts for trophies!

Let's get some love for this suggestion, then!

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/46857/pvp-body-parts

Dolyem

Eh. I just want the ability to blacklist people or guilds from my tavern freehold. That's about the only one that makes sense to me.

Veeshan

Solvryn wrote: »

Feel free to discriminate against me because I decided to make a Tulnar.

You probably wouldn't be the best person to do business with anyway.

Make a tulnar only guild and rise up and war everyone who isnt a tulnar :P

Sathrago

I agree that if you run a service such as an Inn, you should be given the power to blacklist players from that service. this has nothing to do with rp, it has everything to do with not allowing people you dislike or competitors to gain an advantage from you.

Here's an example. You own the inn near a very valuable farming spot and your guild/alliance are attempting to keep the area under control to prevent over-farming penalties. With a blacklist you would be able to slow down any rival guilds/griefers attempting to operate in the same area. They would have to get their food buffs somewhere else or just not at all depending on travel time. Just thinking logically it doesn't make sense that you would sell these useful services to these guilds/griefers trying to come in and take or otherwise ruin your guilds intended farming location.

Of course it comes down to preference and I don't care if you think its fine/not fine. I just think we should have the right to choose either way.

daveywavey

Solvryn wrote: »

Feel free to discriminate against me because I decided to make a Tulnar.

Oh, we will. Don't you worry.

BlackBrony

I am totally for this. Isn't this game competitive? Well, competitions means not giving access to your best gear to the enemy. Just like countries don't go around selling their blueprints for nuclear or missiles, this should be same.
If you want to exclude an entire guild from using your freehold services, you should be able to

Voeltz

I would like to be able to blacklist certain individuals or groups from my services if I choose to, It only adds to the social dynamic this game is going for. I think node reputation is intended to address this to a degree, but it wouldn't hurt to have this as an option as well.

Ayeveegaming1

@Voeltz not sure if this is what you are talking about but this is from the last live stream. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1867622095?t=00h56m29s

Voeltz

@Ravicus No I'm talking about reputation effecting prices within nodes. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Reputation

Solvryn

Veeshan wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Feel free to discriminate against me because I decided to make a Tulnar.

You probably wouldn't be the best person to do business with anyway.

Make a tulnar only guild and rise up and war everyone who isnt a tulnar :P

Who says you aren’t in the matrix created by Tulnar already?

Solvryn

daveywavey wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Feel free to discriminate against me because I decided to make a Tulnar.

Oh, we will. Don't you worry.

Looks like you’re bad at business.

Sathrago

Ravicus wrote: »

@Voeltz not sure if this is what you are talking about but this is from the last live stream. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1867622095?t=00h56m29s

I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention when listening to this livestream. I blame Dygz. There being no current plans (or at least thats what I derived from this) to be more selective with your public services is a bit of a let down for me. Its just less tools to construct custom social dynamics.

Dolyem

Solvryn wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Feel free to discriminate against me because I decided to make a Tulnar.

Oh, we will. Don't you worry.

Looks like you’re bad at business.

I'd buy from him

Raven016

Sathrago wrote: »

I agree that if you run a service such as an Inn, you should be given the power to blacklist players from that service. this has nothing to do with rp, it has everything to do with not allowing people you dislike or competitors to gain an advantage from you.

Here's an example. You own the inn near a very valuable farming spot and your guild/alliance are attempting to keep the area under control to prevent over-farming penalties. With a blacklist you would be able to slow down any rival guilds/griefers attempting to operate in the same area. They would have to get their food buffs somewhere else or just not at all depending on travel time. Just thinking logically it doesn't make sense that you would sell these useful services to these guilds/griefers trying to come in and take or otherwise ruin your guilds intended farming location.

Of course it comes down to preference and I don't care if you think its fine/not fine. I just think we should have the right to choose either way.

The guilds want to control.
Steven disagrees.
From the large guild pov would be OK...
From the small guild pov would not be.

Sathrago

Raven016 wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

I agree that if you run a service such as an Inn, you should be given the power to blacklist players from that service. this has nothing to do with rp, it has everything to do with not allowing people you dislike or competitors to gain an advantage from you.

Here's an example. You own the inn near a very valuable farming spot and your guild/alliance are attempting to keep the area under control to prevent over-farming penalties. With a blacklist you would be able to slow down any rival guilds/griefers attempting to operate in the same area. They would have to get their food buffs somewhere else or just not at all depending on travel time. Just thinking logically it doesn't make sense that you would sell these useful services to these guilds/griefers trying to come in and take or otherwise ruin your guilds intended farming location.

Of course it comes down to preference and I don't care if you think its fine/not fine. I just think we should have the right to choose either way.

The guilds want to control.
Steven disagrees.
From the large guild pov would be OK...
From the small guild pov would not be.

?? Small guilds will easily be able to find and secure freeholds. its not just going to be large guilds that do it. You are also going to have alliances in the mix as well. Then there will be singular players that are just that good at making money that they can contend with many guilds.

With all that being said it still makes more sense for the OWNER of a freehold to dictate who can engage with it. Besides, if a guild doesnt like you, they can just attack you or war up with your alliance/guild. So thats already a thing. I should not have to petition my guild everytime I want to add someone to my personal freehold's black list.

daveywavey

Solvryn wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Feel free to discriminate against me because I decided to make a Tulnar.

Oh, we will. Don't you worry.

Looks like you’re bad at business.

Give the people what they want. And charge a pretty penny for it. Win.

Korela

Player1. Character1. Blacklisted.
Player1. Character2. Not blacklisted.
Blacklists sucks

If blacklist is account-wide, then Player1 can create Character2 on Accoount2

Noaani

Korela wrote: »

If blacklist is account-wide, then Player1 can create Character2 on Accoount2

If blacklists exist and are account wide, it will almost kill the ability for inter-guild espionage to exist.

daveywavey

Noaani wrote: »

Korela wrote: »

If blacklist is account-wide, then Player1 can create Character2 on Accoount2

If blacklists exist and are account wide, it will almost kill the ability for inter-guild espionage to exist.

Would you blacklist every single member of every other guild?

Noaani

daveywavey wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Korela wrote: »

If blacklist is account-wide, then Player1 can create Character2 on Accoount2

If blacklists exist and are account wide, it will almost kill the ability for inter-guild espionage to exist.

Would you blacklist every single member of every other guild?

No, just any potential new members of my guild.

This would show me what other characters they have on their account.

The only way this would work is if you didn't actually have a list of the characters you had blacklisted.

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