George_Black wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like there is a time loop going on. I can't help but feel like things keep repeating themselves over and over and over....Am I living groundhog day? I feel like Dygz is holding a lolipop in front of yall and you keep licking it, and he feels pleased enough with himself to keep talking to you about his other desires. Aside from this thread being ridiculous as is, the same stuff is filling pages upon pages in other topics as well. Imagine being a dev, working on Ashes of Creation, looking for feedback, and you stumble on this guy talking about his "contributions" about a different mmo in the future, that he helps develop "faster".
Ravicus wrote: » Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like there is a time loop going on. I can't help but feel like things keep repeating themselves over and over and over....Am I living groundhog day?
mcstackerson wrote: » Dygz wrote: » I don't consider people content. Moral superiority is a concept that you are adding. That really has nothing to do with my perspective. Viewing people as content is what allows gamers to have the view that it's fun to shove cake down people's throat when they aren't in the mood for cake. I see players as people; not content. If anything, I'm more likely to view "content" as living beings. Which is one of the reasons I'm a Carebear and typically avoid combat as much as possible, even in TT D&D. I play MMORPGs because I enjoy socializing with other players. I also enjoy helping other players to complete quests. I also enjoy seeing what fashion choices players have made and how they have built and decorated their homes. I don't really play MMORPGs for the "gaming" experience. I play MMORPGs primarily for the RP experience. I agree with you that being a carebear is just a playstyle preference. But, it's a preference caused by viewing other players and even NPCs as people; rather than as content. And caused by viewing mobs as living beings rather than content. I want to play a game where i get to shove cake in the face of other like minded individuals.
Dygz wrote: » I don't consider people content. Moral superiority is a concept that you are adding. That really has nothing to do with my perspective. Viewing people as content is what allows gamers to have the view that it's fun to shove cake down people's throat when they aren't in the mood for cake. I see players as people; not content. If anything, I'm more likely to view "content" as living beings. Which is one of the reasons I'm a Carebear and typically avoid combat as much as possible, even in TT D&D. I play MMORPGs because I enjoy socializing with other players. I also enjoy helping other players to complete quests. I also enjoy seeing what fashion choices players have made and how they have built and decorated their homes. I don't really play MMORPGs for the "gaming" experience. I play MMORPGs primarily for the RP experience. I agree with you that being a carebear is just a playstyle preference. But, it's a preference caused by viewing other players and even NPCs as people; rather than as content. And caused by viewing mobs as living beings rather than content.
CROW3 wrote: » ChipsAhoy007 wrote: » Shoot, half the current community would come to your aid, without a doubt. Yet, that same half just can't accept the subject of their attachment doesn't want to be subjected to their attachment.
ChipsAhoy007 wrote: » Shoot, half the current community would come to your aid, without a doubt.
George_Black wrote: » I feel like Dygz is holding a lolipop in front of yall and you keep licking it, and he feels pleased enough with himself to keep talking to you about his other desires.
Dygz wrote: » mcstackerson wrote: » You claim to not be trying to claim a moral high ground and yet you are saying that I don't view people as people because i like to play pvp games. Actually, I didn't say that. I said I don't view people as content. And I said viewing people as content is what allows gamers to shove cake down people's throat. I didn't say that you are the type of PvPer who shoves cake down people's throat. I didn't say that you you are the type of PvPer who forces players to PvP when they are not in the mood for PvP. What I did say is that I don't view people as content. I view them as people. Just as I view the mobs and NPCs as living beings. That's it. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about how you view things. mcstackerson wrote: » You being a carebear isn't a problem, it's you being an ass to people who don't share your view that's a problem. How was I an ass to you? mcstackerson wrote: » I don't want to shove cake in people's face that don't want cake in there face. I want to play a game where i get to shove cake in the face of other like minded individuals. 1: I didn't claim that you were one of the gamers who like to shove cake down other people's faces. 2: And if you are... that is OK by me. I just don't want to be anywhere near you when you do it. In my cake analogy - cake = PvP. I like cake sometimes. As far as I can tell, you like cake, too. So there is no moral superiority there.
mcstackerson wrote: » You claim to not be trying to claim a moral high ground and yet you are saying that I don't view people as people because i like to play pvp games.
mcstackerson wrote: » You being a carebear isn't a problem, it's you being an ass to people who don't share your view that's a problem.
mcstackerson wrote: » I don't want to shove cake in people's face that don't want cake in there face. I want to play a game where i get to shove cake in the face of other like minded individuals.
mcstackerson wrote: » Dygz wrote: » mcstackerson wrote: » You claim to not be trying to claim a moral high ground and yet you are saying that I don't view people as people because i like to play pvp games. Actually, I didn't say that. I said I don't view people as content. And I said viewing people as content is what allows gamers to shove cake down people's throat. I didn't say that you are the type of PvPer who shoves cake down people's throat. I didn't say that you you are the type of PvPer who forces players to PvP when they are not in the mood for PvP. What I did say is that I don't view people as content. I view them as people. Just as I view the mobs and NPCs as living beings. That's it. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about how you view things. mcstackerson wrote: » You being a carebear isn't a problem, it's you being an ass to people who don't share your view that's a problem. How was I an ass to you? mcstackerson wrote: » I don't want to shove cake in people's face that don't want cake in there face. I want to play a game where i get to shove cake in the face of other like minded individuals. 1: I didn't claim that you were one of the gamers who like to shove cake down other people's faces. 2: And if you are... that is OK by me. I just don't want to be anywhere near you when you do it. In my cake analogy - cake = PvP. I like cake sometimes. As far as I can tell, you like cake, too. So there is no moral superiority there. Yea, i got where you were going at with cake analogy. Dygz wrote: » mcstackerson wrote: » You claim to not be trying to claim a moral high ground and yet you are saying that I don't view people as people because i like to play pvp games. Actually, I didn't say that. I said I don't view people as content. And I said viewing people as content is what allows gamers to shove cake down people's throat. I didn't say that you are the type of PvPer who shoves cake down people's throat. I didn't say that you you are the type of PvPer who forces players to PvP when they are not in the mood for PvP. What I did say is that I don't view people as content. I view them as people. Just as I view the mobs and NPCs as living beings. That's it. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about how you view things. mcstackerson wrote: » You being a carebear isn't a problem, it's you being an ass to people who don't share your view that's a problem. How was I an ass to you? mcstackerson wrote: » I don't want to shove cake in people's face that don't want cake in there face. I want to play a game where i get to shove cake in the face of other like minded individuals. 1: I didn't claim that you were one of the gamers who like to shove cake down other people's faces. 2: And if you are... that is OK by me. I just don't want to be anywhere near you when you do it. In my cake analogy - cake = PvP. I like cake sometimes. As far as I can tell, you like cake, too. So there is no moral superiority there. When you choose to play in a pvp environment, the expectation should be that you are in the mood to pvp. If you are in one and someone attacks when you are "not in the mood," they are playing the game, the game you both choose to play. I don't think you can fault them for that.
mcstackerson wrote: » When you choose to play in a pvp environment, the expectation should be that you are in the mood to pvp. If you are in one and someone attacks when you are "not in the mood," they are playing the game, the game you both choose to play. I don't think you can fault them for that.
Depraved wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like there is a time loop going on. I can't help but feel like things keep repeating themselves over and over and over....Am I living groundhog day? I feel like Dygz is holding a lolipop in front of yall and you keep licking it, and he feels pleased enough with himself to keep talking to you about his other desires. Aside from this thread being ridiculous as is, the same stuff is filling pages upon pages in other topics as well. Imagine being a dev, working on Ashes of Creation, looking for feedback, and you stumble on this guy talking about his "contributions" about a different mmo in the future, that he helps develop "faster". hey are you diego vargas by any chance?
George_Black wrote: » Depraved wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Ravicus wrote: » Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like there is a time loop going on. I can't help but feel like things keep repeating themselves over and over and over....Am I living groundhog day? I feel like Dygz is holding a lolipop in front of yall and you keep licking it, and he feels pleased enough with himself to keep talking to you about his other desires. Aside from this thread being ridiculous as is, the same stuff is filling pages upon pages in other topics as well. Imagine being a dev, working on Ashes of Creation, looking for feedback, and you stumble on this guy talking about his "contributions" about a different mmo in the future, that he helps develop "faster". hey are you diego vargas by any chance? Who?
Fantmx wrote: » Respectfully, there is no system in place to prevent non-consensual PvP thus the title of this post is factually incorrect.
ChipsAhoy007 wrote: » Logically it should work, but PvE'ers... here's what it's like: A person trying to show them some creature and they're just flipping out, throwing hands in the air screaming "get that fucking thing away from me!". When it's really just a rad little harmless herbivore that almost kind of looks like a spider.
Boneshatter wrote: » ChipsAhoy007 wrote: » Logically it should work, but PvE'ers... here's what it's like: A person trying to show them some creature and they're just flipping out, throwing hands in the air screaming "get that fucking thing away from me!". When it's really just a rad little harmless herbivore that almost kind of looks like a spider. Here's a better analogy for you. I don't like turkey stuffing/dressing at Thanksgiving and Christmas. I never have. Every time I go to a new person's house for Thanksgiving/Christmas dinner I give a polite "no thanks" when offered stuffing and without fail its met with an offended look. They claim that my dislike of stuffing is because I haven't tried THEIR stuffing and that I simply must try it because they put unicorn turds in it or something. I try to weasel out of it, but they insist and won't let it go so I'm forced to try it with everyone at the table staring at me. Of course I don't like it. I don't like stuffing and I told them that right up front, but they are offended that I don't like THEIR stuffing. Every. Single. Time.
Boneshatter wrote: » Here's a better analogy for you. I don't like turkey stuffing/dressing at Thanksgiving and Christmas. I never have. Every time I go to a new person's house for Thanksgiving/Christmas dinner I give a polite "no thanks" when offered stuffing and without fail its met with an offended look. They claim that my dislike of stuffing is because I haven't tried THEIR stuffing and that I simply must try it because they put unicorn turds in it or something. I try to weasel out of it, but they insist and won't let it go so I'm forced to try it with everyone at the table staring at me. Of course I don't like it. I don't like stuffing and I told them that right up front, but they are offended that I don't like THEIR stuffing. Every. Single. Time.
CROW3 wrote: » Fantmx wrote: » Respectfully, there is no system in place to prevent non-consensual PvP thus the title of this post is factually incorrect. I’ve said this before, but maybe worth bringing up again. A big part of me believes that system is simply login - that’s your informed consent. The foundational social contract of Ashes is that you are not safe from a dangerous world, and other players are part of that world.@Dygz and I went back and forth privately on this one for what? Like 4-5 months? Edit: just to put a period on the above, what you define as non-consensual pvp won’t exist in Ashes at launch because just by being in the world all conflict has been consented to.
CROW3 wrote: » Boneshatter wrote: » ChipsAhoy007 wrote: » Logically it should work, but PvE'ers... here's what it's like: A person trying to show them some creature and they're just flipping out, throwing hands in the air screaming "get that fucking thing away from me!". When it's really just a rad little harmless herbivore that almost kind of looks like a spider. Here's a better analogy for you. I don't like turkey stuffing/dressing at Thanksgiving and Christmas. I never have. Every time I go to a new person's house for Thanksgiving/Christmas dinner I give a polite "no thanks" when offered stuffing and without fail its met with an offended look. They claim that my dislike of stuffing is because I haven't tried THEIR stuffing and that I simply must try it because they put unicorn turds in it or something. I try to weasel out of it, but they insist and won't let it go so I'm forced to try it with everyone at the table staring at me. Of course I don't like it. I don't like stuffing and I told them that right up front, but they are offended that I don't like THEIR stuffing. Every. Single. Time. Except that before you walk into their house, they’ve explicitly stated you may have stuffing added to your plate, and you step into their house, and grab a plate, and sit at the table. That’s more analogous.
