Corruption system abuses ?

Neurath wrote: »

Nah. Account wide pk would suck. I know a lot of people don't rp but from an rp stand point account wide anything sucks.

Suck for who? Those who want to PK on another character to avoid the precise rules that are in place to stop people from PKing too much?

If you have a PK alt - you wouldn't care that its PK count influences your main because you wouldn't be PKing on your main. And if you're PKing on both - you're avoiding the punishment.

What punishment do you refer to? You want to tarnish the public reputation of an honour based toon with that of a dishonourable toon.

Neurath wrote: »

What punishment do you refer to? You want to tarnish the public reputation of an honour based toon with that of a dishonourable toon.

Alts should be separate enough to let you have those separate RP experiences, but not let you kill x2 people because your chars are completely separated. Especially considering that bad actors won't just do it x2, but instead will do xY, where Y is the amount of chars you can have on your account.

This is why I dislike "family" names on characters. Each alt should be its own thing.

Yeah. I understand your point but if a person wants to grind corruption off of 8 toons then I say let them waste their time. I want bounty hunters to exist so can you imagine a bounty hunter sharing corruption penalties with a corrupted alt? It boggles my mind.

Neurath wrote: »

What punishment do you refer to? You want to tarnish the public reputation of an honour based toon with that of a dishonourable toon.

gameplay > meta rp

Depraved wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

What punishment do you refer to? You want to tarnish the public reputation of an honour based toon with that of a dishonourable toon.

gameplay > meta rp

Meta rp is game play. I bet I could play a stale game twice as long through rp than you could through standard gameplay.

Neurath wrote: »

Yeah. I understand your point but if a person wants to grind corruption off of 8 toons then I say let them waste their time. I want bounty hunters to exist so can you imagine a bounty hunter sharing corruption penalties with a corrupted alt? It boggles my mind.

You wouldn't need to grind it off, unless Intrepid forbids us from deleting corrupted characters.

How would BH "share" penalties? The whole point of the BH is that he doesn't PK and instead hunts those.

you could for sure. use your imagination and all that. but what i mean is preventing abuse through gameplay > meta rp

its more important that people dont abuse alts than having someone rp "ruined' because the pk count is account wide. if you want to rp, you can always not pk on that character? no one will know

Neurath wrote: »

Meta rp is game play. I bet I could play a stale game twice as long through rp than you could through standard gameplay.

But would you be able to play it twice as long if bad actors can do 8 times as much shitty things? Wouldn't that destroy the whole RP scene, because any dick can just go to their alt and start abusing your group/activity?

tautau

If someone engages in RMT (like buying gold), uses a forbidden add-on program (such as a bot program or a combat enhancer), or in any way breaks the EULA then the permaban certainly should be account wide. If it were possible, I would be happy if such infractions applied to the person - ban the credit-card user from ever playing again.

But if someone does permitted gameplay on a character, like going red, then the punishment (the PK count) ought to only relate to that character/toon.

If the playing community knows the main character of the PK toon, then the community can treat the main character as it decides to.

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Yeah. I understand your point but if a person wants to grind corruption off of 8 toons then I say let them waste their time. I want bounty hunters to exist so can you imagine a bounty hunter sharing corruption penalties with a corrupted alt? It boggles my mind.

You wouldn't need to grind it off, unless Intrepid forbids us from deleting corrupted characters.

How would BH "share" penalties? The whole point of the BH is that he doesn't PK and instead hunts those.

That's what I don't understand. What do you mean when you say corruption penalties should be shared? It sounds like a carpet dynamic to me which I disagree with. Also, the amount of time it will take to level 8 toons to an appropriate level to gank is like a year...deleting these toons means each year you have to relevel. That is a huge waste of time and investment for little pay off. This is coming from an old ganker by the way.

Neurath wrote: »

That's what I don't understand. What do you mean when you say corruption penalties should be shared? It sounds like a carpet dynamic to me which I disagree with.

It's the "karmic" punishment. Your account killed 200 people, but your main character can kill another 10 w/o a problem, because all alts have separate PK counts.

Neurath wrote: »

Also, the amount of time it will take to level 8 toons to an appropriate level to gank is like a year...deleting these toons means each year you have to relevel. That is a huge waste of time and investment for little pay off. This is coming from an old ganker by the way.

Except you don't need to spend a year at all. Even if low lvl characters or casuals seize to exist in the game and gear scaling is so damn bad that lvl25char can't even do dmg to a lvl50 char - leveling up to, say, 35-40 on a fully established server with known routes will most likely take a week or so, if not less. And throughout that leveling process, any lowbie that you see could be a potential target as well.

For a griefer that IS the content, so it's not as if they're wasting time.

Either way, we've got no clue if BH system even exists rn. And as Steven said, if the system gets abused enough - they'll change it to prevent that abuse. And one of the biggest current abuses, imo, is PK alts.

I think you don't understand the practice. A ganker likes to one shot people - hence why they attack low levels at max level. Its not about killing low levels per say, its about the power dynamic. Killing low levels whilst levelling will slow you right down. Anyone can then kill you and take your stuff. It's just not conducive to good ganking business. Also, you have to find people who won't fight back in a pvx game lol.

CROW3

All of this will be clearer, testable, and adjusted continuously in A2. Until then I’m not worried at all.

Neurath wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Yeah. I understand your point but if a person wants to grind corruption off of 8 toons then I say let them waste their time. I want bounty hunters to exist so can you imagine a bounty hunter sharing corruption penalties with a corrupted alt? It boggles my mind.

You wouldn't need to grind it off, unless Intrepid forbids us from deleting corrupted characters.

How would BH "share" penalties? The whole point of the BH is that he doesn't PK and instead hunts those.

That's what I don't understand. What do you mean when you say corruption penalties should be shared? It sounds like a carpet dynamic to me which I disagree with. Also, the amount of time it will take to level 8 toons to an appropriate level to gank is like a year...deleting these toons means each year you have to relevel. That is a huge waste of time and investment for little pay off. This is coming from an old ganker by the way.

mmorpg are a marathon, not a sprint. you are investing a year to reap the rewards for the next 10

Depraved wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Yeah. I understand your point but if a person wants to grind corruption off of 8 toons then I say let them waste their time. I want bounty hunters to exist so can you imagine a bounty hunter sharing corruption penalties with a corrupted alt? It boggles my mind.

You wouldn't need to grind it off, unless Intrepid forbids us from deleting corrupted characters.

How would BH "share" penalties? The whole point of the BH is that he doesn't PK and instead hunts those.

That's what I don't understand. What do you mean when you say corruption penalties should be shared? It sounds like a carpet dynamic to me which I disagree with. Also, the amount of time it will take to level 8 toons to an appropriate level to gank is like a year...deleting these toons means each year you have to relevel. That is a huge waste of time and investment for little pay off. This is coming from an old ganker by the way.

mmorpg are a marathon, not a sprint. you are investing a year to reap the rewards for the next 10

I'm not investing anything mate. I might not even be able to play if my Mrs throws a fit. I've cut back on the games just to be able to slink into aoc. However, family life is more than tolerable.

Neurath wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Yeah. I understand your point but if a person wants to grind corruption off of 8 toons then I say let them waste their time. I want bounty hunters to exist so can you imagine a bounty hunter sharing corruption penalties with a corrupted alt? It boggles my mind.

You wouldn't need to grind it off, unless Intrepid forbids us from deleting corrupted characters.

How would BH "share" penalties? The whole point of the BH is that he doesn't PK and instead hunts those.

That's what I don't understand. What do you mean when you say corruption penalties should be shared? It sounds like a carpet dynamic to me which I disagree with. Also, the amount of time it will take to level 8 toons to an appropriate level to gank is like a year...deleting these toons means each year you have to relevel. That is a huge waste of time and investment for little pay off. This is coming from an old ganker by the way.

mmorpg are a marathon, not a sprint. you are investing a year to reap the rewards for the next 10

I'm not investing anything mate. I might not even be able to play if my Mrs throws a fit. I've cut back on the games just to be able to slink into aoc. However, family life is more than tolerable.

i meant you as in people in general xD