Battlepass in MMOs

State your opinion, I'll start with mine

They're dumb they are meant for repetitive games like shooters, they give you something to do in a games that are arena pvp weather it be a MOBA or Shooter. MMOs are supposed to keep you busy. adding chores on top of that for things I should just be able to work for tends to leave a bad taste in mouth.

Also the monetization of it is kind of dumb as well. FFXIV and WoW have raked in large amounts of money just doing cosmetics on the shop, do that without the predatory fear of missing out.

One other argument for me was when I was playing NW I wanted to support the game, I bought up dyes and emotes and spent more money on that game then I have any other game as far as cosmetics, I supported it because it was simple and clean way for them to make extra money. I stopped giving them my money after they started doing the battlepass. It even made me not care about collecting all the emotes anymore. It wasn't even to protest, I just stopped caring.

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Mag7spy

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

You can not change the definition because you want to "win".

Noaani wrote: »

Keep in mind, *I* am not attempting to define what a loot box is - you are.

I am not trying to define them at all, my point is that even with randomized rewards, a battlepass is not a loot box in much the same way as how mob drops are not a loot box.

Again, if you want to define things differently, thats fine. You can do that. I do not.

The above said, your definition of what a loot box is actually does matter to this discussion.

As a refresher of our current back and forth;

You claimed that I said battlepass was going to be loot boxes.
I pointed out that I didn't say that and asked you where I said it.
You refused to tell me where I said it, and just insisted that I did.
I baited you in to telling me where you think I said it.
You quoted me saying that battlepass will get some rewards randomized in the future, and claimed that was me saying battlepass is going to be turned in to loot boxes.
I pointed out that they are different things.
You claimed that - to you - they are the same thing.

This calls in to question how you define a loot box, as most reasonable people would see a difference between a battlepass with some of the rewads randomized, and a loot box.

Already went over this you don't understand what loot boxes or battle passes are. Trying to change the definition to fit what you want isn't going to work here. Because you want to "win". So you are simply trying to make things up.

The standard is already set in stone. Trying to make a argument a loot box is not a loot box is trolling. The only bait you are doing it making it show how bad your arguments are. This is you in a nut shell right now when you make points half the time.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

Trying to make a argument a loot box is not a loot box is trolling.

I'm not trying to make this point.

I'm making the point that a battlepass with some randomized rewards is not a loot box.

Again, I will not let you state that I am making an argument that I am not making without challenging that statement.

Mag7spy

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Trying to make a argument a loot box is not a loot box is trolling.

I'm not trying to make this point.

I'm making the point that a battlepass with some randomized rewards is not a loot box.

Again, I will not let you state that I am making an argument that I am not making without challenging that statement.

You are saying what a loot box is as you define this next evolution of battlepass (with you talking about companies wanting people gambling / addicted, etc) and than trying to say the very thing isn't a loot box while working literally as a loot box.

I don't see how anyone can take you seriously at this point, you just yapping to yap. You defined a loot box so it is a loot box as it functions the same point to point as a loot box.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

You are saying what a loot box is as you define this next evolution of battlepass

I disagree.

I don't know of any lootboxes that have that process for openeing them that a battlepass has for getting the rewards.

I also don't know of any lootboxes where you can buy them and not get all of the rewards if you don't do enough in game.

Mag7spy

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

You are saying what a loot box is as you define this next evolution of battlepass

I disagree.

I don't know of any lootboxes that have that process for openeing them that a battlepass has for getting the rewards.

I also don't know of any lootboxes where you can buy them and not get all of the rewards if you don't do enough in game.

I've already linked it you are just being ignorant just cause. You can do anything to level up in a battle pass. you can play the game and do anything to level up and get loot boxes in overwatch. So one of your most naive takes already doesn't make sense.

To continue as ive already said how you obtain a reward doesn't make it not a loot box. The function for how the loot box gives items is what is the important part.

You don't play make games do you dont understand how loot boxes / battle passes work you are just yapping. That is why you don't know all these elements.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

I've already linked it you are just being ignorant just cause. You can do anything to level up in a battle pass. you can play the game and do anything to level up and get loot boxes in overwatch. So one of your most naive takes already doesn't make sense.

I'm curious.

Do you consider those loot boxes in Overwatch to be lootboxes simply because that is what the developer called them?

Because they don't fit in with the general concept of what a lootbox is in relation to complaints.

So, for you, is it a matter of function, or a matter of name?

Edit; if it is a matter of function, my next question is why you don't consider mob drops to be lootboxes.

HazardNumberSeven

Hard no to battlepasses. It's a slippery slope. If you "run out of stuff" to do in a sandbox(sandpark) MMO, then I don't believe you. No you did not run out of stuff to do.

Dygz

I would not expect a Sandbox MMORPG to have a Battlepass.

Ashes is a Themebox; not a Sandbox.
And, yes, a Sandbox MMORPG basically has nothing to do - unless it's a PvP-centric game.

Abarat

Semantics and mental gymnastics.

How do you guys have this much time? honestly.

Also, you may want to consider switching to decaf.

Noaani

Abarat wrote: »

Semantic and mental gymnastics.

How do you guys have this much time? honestly.

Also, you may want to consider switching to decaf.

Posting honestly doesn't take that much time.

Reading can, but when you are in a discussion with someone as one dimensional as I have been here, you already know what is going to be said - skim reading a post to make sure it says what you expected the reply to be (and often already have a reply ready for) is fairly quick.

I agree that it is all semantics - but I will not leave the comment stand that I said something that I did not say.

Aszkalon

Abarat wrote: »

Semantic and mental gymnastics.
How do you guys have this much time? honestly.

This is AMAZING - isn't it ?

At some Point Someone will have - "unfortunately" - more or less talked their fill over every single Content of the Game, to the Extent of what is truly already known, is/was recently showed in a monthly Presentation,

and long Story short no matter how much more Time is invested to talk about it -> it is usually just Speculation, plus "What if"-Scenarios - and People can exchange their Convictions about "how" a System in the Game should be,

but that's it. There is not really anything constructive to talk about anymore. The Information Flood is sated and new Information is given later and sometimes takes a Year or Two to get published.

Noaani wrote: »

Posting honestly doesn't take that much time.

It is STILL impressive however. I think i would probably not even able to post and comment this much, if someone would pay me for it. Because i get a Headache already from the THOUGHT ALONE of investing so much of my time and my Focus into something that might be a complete Waste of Time regarding the Endresults of the Game, that we see earliest in probably One or a Two Years or so.

It is honestly and by all means amazing how much Time and Investment some of the Users in the Forum here can bring up to discuss Mechanis and how they might be better or not - when in Truth, we actually don't even know yet how they will be realised in the Alpha Two and later on, should the Game ever finally near it's Completion, right ?

I remember this Picture here from the "Meme's Topic" and it hurts deeply actually how accurate this is. I hope of Course that the Release will be "before" 2030. My annoyed gutfeeling tells me it is probably between 2026 and 2028. Meanwhile i have to watch how Blizzard grows fat YET AGAIN with another WoW Expansion.

Even the " AGE " of the Person inside this Picture feels accurate. Some of us would just really want to finally play a good MMO just one last time in our Lifes before our Bodies give out.

Maybe i am just to much in Withdrawl for new Information like every single time between a 15th of a Month and the closing in Deadline/End of the Month were usually a new Presentation comes out,

but i understand why some People sarcastically joke around Ashes of Creation and talk like it will never come out and it is a new Duke Nukem Forever and so on.

Place your bets, Guys. Half Life Three, or Ashes of Creation. Which will see the Light of the World first ?

Noaani

Aszkalon wrote: »

It is STILL impressive however. I think i would probably not even able to post and comment this much, if someone would pay me for it. Because i get a Headache already from the THOUGHT ALONE of investing so much of my time and my Focus into something that might be a complete Waste of Time regarding the Endresults of the Game, that we see earliest in probably One or a Two Years or so.

Oh, I have no misconception that anything I say on these forums has any impact on the game.

I would hope Intrepid have people with enough experience to not need to rely on outsourcing this kind of thing.

I mean, I don't expect my doctor to go to Reddit and ask them what medical treatment I need. When I hire a plumber or electrician, I expect them to understand how to do their job without needing to look up Instagram photos of finished jobs.

If professionals are looking to the public to tell them how to do their job, they are not professionals. I expect that Intrepid will make the game, and we on the forums will talk about the game. There should be no cross over of these two things at all, until we have our hands on the game and find actual mistakes.

Any time spent on these forums with the expectation that it will make the game better is wasted time, imo.

Yuyukoyay

Don't do it. It'll kill the game. Battlepasses are not actually a successful concept and fail 100% of the time. It just a matter of the games being good enough in all other areas that people still play anyway.The problem is they are additional things to do on top of everything else you have to do to gain things that probably should be in the game through other means. They have absolutely no place in an MMO. I have quit games before just for having them because they made the game bad enough for me to quit.

It is not something that respects the players time. It's just a filthy cash in system publishers like to push to gain more money when there are more honest and fun ways to do it.MMO's are already games that sap all your free time on their own. They really don't benefit from systems like these at all.

Dygz

Cosmetics - like the ones in the Cosmetic Store - will not be in the game.
If you don't emjoy earning Cosmetics by doing stuff you like to do in the game - just ignore the Battlepass.
Modern Battlepasses 100% respect the players' time. Can't be a "filthy cash-in system" when the paid BP costs less than most of the items in the Cosmetic Store.
Modern BPs are as honest and fun for Casual Challenge players as Raids are for Hardcore Challenge players.

Otr

Dygz wrote: »

Cosmetics - like the ones in the Cosmetic Store - will not be in the game.
If you don't emjoy earning Cosmetics by doing stuff you like to do in the game - just ignore the Battlepass.
Modern Battlepasses 100% respect the players' time. Can't be a "filthy cash-in system" when the paid BP costs less than most of the items in the Cosmetic Store.
Modern BPs are as honest and fun for Casual Challenge players as Raids are for Hardcore Challenge players.

If AoC gets battlepasses, will you play them?

Dygz

Not actively. Because the only thing I will be doing in Ashes is exploring.

Apok

Dygz wrote: »

Not actively. Because the only thing I will be doing in Ashes is exploring.

I want to hunt you

Caeryl

They shouldn’t even be considered.

Battlepasses are a thing of cheap FOMO marketing meant to spook players into boosting activity metrics and cash income because it’ll expire and be gone

Make a good game with rewarding quests

Dygz

Apok wrote: »

I want to hunt you

Yep. Feel free.

Dygz

Caeryl wrote: »

Battlepasses are a thing of cheap FOMO marketing meant to spook players into boosting activity metrics and cash income because it’ll expire and be gone

Also possible to make a good game with rewarding Battlepasses.
Modern Battlepasses have much less FOMO than the Ashes Monthly Cosmetics did.

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