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Well requested a refund on my Alpha 2 package
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Not people, you.
Although there are others. If I was bothered I could go and copy and paste you personal attacks on others, where, as per normal, you have no idea how to carry out a discussion, so you revert to insults.
Let’s be clear, you are a toxic fanboi
Funny you say typos was not the issue, yet it’s all you cried about, I’ve yet to see you post, anything that shows I’ve spoken nonsense.
Do not buy an unfinished product or game in general. That's has nothing to do with Steven or intrepid, that's just a general recommendation. Once the job is done, the work is done, the result is of good quality - then you buy it.
If you invest in something, you should get ALL information (especially the financial ones - because it's your money) and as this is not the case for some individuals or small companys that aren't forced to publish their books and financial statements and reports and don't have to reach promised goals or dare timelines. Everything is wihtout obligation and without getting consequences - for the one getting the money, the other side must face all the consequences.
Saying this I've to state clearly that I'm convinced that this is no scam and beside some topics I like Ashes and still have hope that several features - in the end (not nowadays) will work smoothly together - but I'm just not running towards a person or a development team because I really don't care if that is Kevin, Steven or Donald doing it. It's all about the game and content in it, nothing more. And I'm investing my money only at a point of time where I get result of quality at this time, not 10 years later. Did that the last decades, will do that all the upcoming decades.
Agree with this 100%.
The difference here is a) Steven has promised a lot, and already failed to deliver on a few.
The company has 2 liens on it, plus it’s being sued.
I believe that’s why cosmetic were stopped
This isn't the first time you've been throwing around the term 'fanboy,' and it's ironic that you accuse others of being emotionally charged or acting like children when your posts are filled with the same energy. Rather than engaging in a substantive discussion, you're trying to discredit any criticism or disagreement by labeling people as 'fanboys.' Whether you’ve done it once, twice, or a dozen times, it’s still a weak argument.
You’ve even referenced other threads where misinformation was being spread, the fact use used Reddit to guide your thoughts—hardly the most reliable source for factual information. I countered that misinformation in the other thread, just like I’m doing here, and if someone posts something toxic, I'm going to call it out. This thread is no different; it brings nothing but emotionally charged complaints without any solid basis.
The real issue here is that you take any disagreement as a personal attack. If you’re comfortable calling others children, then you should be prepared to hear the same in return, except in this case, I’ll back up why you’re acting like one: instead of presenting real arguments or solutions, you're just here to complain and attack anyone who doesn't share your negativity.
If you really want a discussion about the game’s development, let’s have it. But if all you’re going to do is belittle others and throw around accusations without evidence, then it’s clear you're not interested in a constructive conversation
Who is the one that sued them?
Go look, or is that beyond you, I found it, so, you spend the time to find it, though doubt you will, you rather whine that I’ve not shown it to you.
Should add, I ignored your previous post, and this will be my final reply to you.
Just not worth bothering with toxic fanbois, they will only ever see what they want.
This is what I mean when i said you aren't here to bring anything of substance to the conversation.
There are no consequences.
So don't buy unfinished stuff, never.
Provide feedback, to viral marketing to friends and family, perhaps test for the company (for free!), but don't buy unfinished stuff.
Yeah, can’t argue this point, I should not have, but gave in.
Well my refund being processed, so I’m only down about £4.
A pint 😳
Intrepid had to settle all amounts owed, plus 50k on top, not including legal fees.
It's the new age slang for 'proof'. So do you have proof of any of this?
My original post was a direct response to you not being able to express your thoughts clearly because what you actually said and what you meant were clearly not the same lol at this point I'm not surprised you didn't understand that.
What proof that I got a refund, or are you suggesting, that I never bought the alpha 2 package in the first place.
😂😂😂😂
HA HA HA HA HA HAH !!
I am a tiny little bit sad for Nemeses, though. It was foreseeable that People will feel betrayed, disappointed, suspicious and like they might get tricked.
✓ Occasional Roleplayer
✓ Kinda starting to look for a Guild right now. (German)
Proof of any of your claims of wrongdoing on their part, obviously
Dragon is in the video 10mins in. How is this even remotely.simlar outside of some a animations and the model?
Steven is a used car salesman for sure, but you can't deny there's progress made.
So, some actual information on this would be good.
If all you know is what someone on Reddit said, then all you know is what someone on Reddit said.
I'm not necessarily saying any of this is incorrect (especially the stories about Steven - I wrote some of them myself). I'm saying that if you are going to act on it, be sure its accurate information.
If it is accurate information, feel free to post it here.
No, I read loads on Reddit then went to have a little search, everything Ive said is 100% accurate and true, all this information is freely available, just go search
2 liens for not paying tax, last one was for 24k
Got sued, they put up some bullshit reasons, and I mean they were very weak, they lost the case and had to pay.
I believe, though not 100% sure, that they are being sued again… time will prove that either way.
One other thing, company seems to have a lot of loans, funny that for a supposedly self funded mmo.
Removed all the links, as decided not to post this shit here, if people want to know, go search, if you don’t, just carry on having a pop.
If you do look, make sure you check out the health drink.😡😡😡
Will not post in this thread again, unless it’s something significant.
No, people with money do not use loans in the same way people without money use them.
People without money use them because they don't have the money for the things they want/need. People with money use them to get the things they want/need without taking that money they have out of the investments that it is currently in.
As an example, if I have $10,000 in an investment scheme that is paying out 8%pa, and I want to purchase something for $10,000, if I can get a loan for that $10,000 at 4% interest, that is what I would do.
Sure, I have the money, but that money is making me more money than the loan would cost.
To be honest, not paying their payments is also kind of a thing people with money do. Look at Elon Musk after he took over Twitter - he stopped paying rent on most of the buildings they were renting because, well, because he could.
I'm not specifically defending Intrepid/Steven here, I'm just saying these things you are talking about aren't exactly a smoking gun.
I assume the OP ran into this 3 years old thread on MMORPG.com and failed to provide the source:
https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/495292/state-of-california-edd-has-placed-a-lien-on-intrepid
The figure stated there for 2021 was $50 000. I'm not sure you could even hire a part time cleaner for that money in California.
@Nemeses Look I get it, you don't like such news being associated with a project you supported. That is a measure of your appetite for risk. See you later.
There's links to the actual case files referenced in that thread and from that, it says both the complaint and cross-complaint were dismissed with prejudice. (Aka neither party were granted what they asked for and they cannot bring the case back to court)
Can't read the docs without signing up for it, but I wouldn't call that hard evidence of scammy wrongdoing on its own.
“You have an awesome idea? You say it will make money? Here, fill out these forms in triplicate so I can use them to find ways that you will either owe me money or I’ll have some form of control over your idea.”
Case in point, and an amusing one at that. Looks like it took 3 years for them to get their trademark approved. I found out with a document from 2019, there are more but it’s the only one I read, in the document the “Trademark Trial and Appeal Board” a.k.a. bureaucratic system denied the Intrepid Studios logo a registration. It’s a fairly long winded 19-page debacle of legalese. I mean if the first thing at the top of the page is immediate denial of legitimacy and refusal to adhere to what is written within. That’s just….Wow… Gotta love that system. What a joke, here I’ll copy it over for you guys.
I can summarize the document for you, less than one page too.
“We(Trademark Trial And Appeal Board) feel that the stupid peasants cannot understand or comprehend without our guiding hand. As such we(Trademark Trial And Appeal Board) deny you(Intrepid Stuidos) the right to use your chosen name, Intrepid Stuidos, and your chosen original trademark on the grounds that Intrepid Pictures already exists. The names sound to similar and the text font on the logo’s are too similar, the stupid peasants will be too confused to know what they are purchasing."
What it boils down to is the asshats at TTAB wanted a kickback, or are getting a kickback from someone else, most likely Intrepid Pictures or an affiliate. Given that the exact logo that was declined in said document is indeed the current logo up on the site and pretty much everywhere else, I’d say that said asshats either got the kickback or stopped getting it from someone else. Typical day bureaucratic meat grinder.
thanks I was curious about this too but I was too lazy to look into it cause I figured if there were any real issues people would be all over it besides some random shitposting on the forums
Everything is going to be ok.
Happy to hear that you were able to make use of the refund period and got your money back!
The first phase of Alpha 2 starts in October, which will allow everyone to stream/upload their gameplay for others to watch. Hope to see you coming back for the release, when AoC will be a "game" and not a "testing phase"
Regarding the lien claims, this is Steven's response:
I'm closing this thread as this discussion isn't going anywhere productive.