Leveling Speed

Wiki says the following:

On release the developers anticipate max level should be attainable in approximately 45 days if playing 4-6 hours per day.

This is equal to ~225 hours to reach level 50. What is your opinion about it? Would you like it to be faster or slower?

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Flanker

Aszkalon wrote: »

Flanker doesn't back down. He is defending his Point like a good Citizen would defend his own Node.

Flanker wrote: »

Those who are capable to grind mobs for 16h/day don't know what "giving up" means haha

Pendragxn wrote: »

It’s all good I’m just going to hire flanker in-game to talk the enemy to death won’t even need to defend the node

We'd be a great team: I'd talk them to death, you'd flood them with AI comments xD

nanfoodle

More like beating a dead horse but it's slightly entertaining because you think your currently riding off into the sunset

Flanker

nanfoodle wrote: »

More like beating a dead horse but it's slightly entertaining because you think your currently riding off into the sunset

We got a reply from Steven today, wouldn't say it's hopeless.

@Zehlan cutie pie, are you going to answer the question you've been asked or you got a logical checkmate and prefer to just bounce and lurk here rather than talk?

nanfoodle

Flanker wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

More like beating a dead horse but it's slightly entertaining because you think your currently riding off into the sunset

We got a reply from Steven today, wouldn't say it's hopeless.

@Zehlan cutie pie, are you going to answer the question you've been asked or you got a logical checkmate and prefer to just bounce and lurk here rather than talk?

That's awesome. Official word is the best kind. Steven and his developer style is a big reason why Im here.

Noaani

Flanker wrote: »

stop whining already, for god's sake

It isn't whining.

Whining requires a high pitched sound (as per its definition). If you are associating anyone's post with that tone, then that is on you.

Again though, the point of my previous post was that if you find yourself often getting in to off topic discussions when you would rather stay on topic, then perhaps you need to reassess your posting style. If people aren't responding to the parts of your posts that you want them to respond to, that is because you are giving them something else that they would either respond to. If you don't give people that, then they can only respond to what's left.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Flanker wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

More like beating a dead horse but it's slightly entertaining because you think your currently riding off into the sunset

We got a reply from Steven today, wouldn't say it's hopeless.

@Zehlan cutie pie, are you going to answer the question you've been asked or you got a logical checkmate and prefer to just bounce and lurk here rather than talk?

That's awesome. Official word is the best kind. Steven and his developer style is a big reason why Im here.

Yeah, sure.

What Steven has said though is that the plans they have are still basically the same, but that they are going to collect feedback on it.

Steven also decided to throw in the notion of risk vs reward, which leaves his notion of what risk vs reward actually means. If he is now saying that just time spent can be considered the risk element in risk vs reward, everything he has ever said about PvE risk vs reward is subject to question (subject to outright ridicule, to be honest).

It's also the reward side of it that he seems to not grasp. Risk vs reward is supposed to be "I risked something in order to get a reward that not everyone will get", which means the basic act of leveling is not subject to risk vs reward, because everyone thst plays the game will hit max level eventually - even if all you do is craft.

Flanker

Noaani wrote: »

It isn't whining.

Flanker wrote: »

stop whining already, for god's sake

Noaani

Flanker wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

It isn't whining.

Flanker wrote: »

stop whining already, for god's sake

For someone that claims they "don't know what "giving up" means haha", you sure seem to have given up.

Myosotys

Flanker wrote: »

For everyone's information:

Vlhadus asked Steven the question about leveling speed

Timestamp: 50:35

Link: https://youtu.be/IBYXJ4bTOLk?feature=shared&t=3035

Looks like Steven wants leveling grindy and exponential. Exactly how I like it.

Flanker

"Noaani wrote: »

"For someone that claims they "don't know what "giving up" means haha", you sure seem to have given up.

Flanker wrote: »

Nobody cares dude, we are here to talk about leveling, not to listen to you crying and talking about irrelevant topics

Noaani

Flanker wrote: »

"Noaani wrote: »

"For someone that claims they "don't know what "giving up" means haha", you sure seem to have given up.

Flanker wrote: »

Nobody cares dude, we are here to talk about leveling, not to listen to you crying and talking about irrelevant topics

For someone that claims to be wanting to talk about leveling, you sure do seem to be talking a lot about other things.

Caeryl

Looks about on par with what he's gone with before, about 2 months playing 5-6 hours per day. Funny to hear there's push for it to be shorter than that within the dev team itself

Nemeses

Flanker wrote: »

Wiki says the following:

On release the developers anticipate max level should be attainable in approximately 45 days if playing 4-6 hours per day.

This is equal to ~225 hours to reach level 50. What is your opinion about it? Would you like it to be faster or slower?

It's a hard one, because slower might chase away a lot of people as they cant see a progression, faster may bore people at max level, so its never as easy as you think get levelling right, slower would work very well if they put in a few milestones between levels, so you get a reward, skill or otherwise say at every 3rd of a level.

players like to see and feel progression, if tis taking say a working players 3 or 4 days between levels, they will may well stop! don't say they not needed, because they are very much so every players is needed.

Flanker

Caeryl wrote: »

Looks about on par with what he's gone with before, about 2 months playing 5-6 hours per day. Funny to hear there's push for it to be shorter than that within the dev team itself

I mean, what he said is:
> First ~10-15 levels will be relatively fast (exact number is not known yet), so that people don't suffer at the start ;
> Reaching level 25 will roughly take 100 hours and the XP curve is not gonna be linear.
> He prefers it to be in more of a grindy side of things.

Thoughts:
> If first ~10-15 levels are fast, 1-25 "roughly takes 100 hours" and XP curve is not linear, I'd actually be surprised to find out that it all somehow magically adds up to ~225 hours, especially taking into account him saying "he prefers it to be somewhat grindy".
> A curve change from ~10-25/15-25 is clearly not gonna get back to linear after level 25. So if 1-25 takes ~100 hours, I probably wouldn't expect 25-50 to be 125-150 hours. Probably something close to, at least 300h for the whole 1-50.
> If it's the case, then it's a bit better obviously, but in general - doesn't change the situation dramatically. A few extra weeks or a month for an average player won't really make that huge of a difference in MMO.
> But if it's the case, still better than nothing

Flanker

Nemeses wrote: »

It's a hard one, because slower might chase away a lot of people as they cant see a progression, faster may bore people at max level, so its never as easy as you think get levelling right, slower would work very well if they put in a few milestones between levels, so you get a reward, skill or otherwise say at every 3rd of a level.

players like to see and feel progression, if tis taking say a working players 3 or 4 days between levels, they will may well stop! don't say they not needed, because they are very much so every players is needed.

If people stop because of that fact alone, then apparently they don't need that much of a trigger to stop playing the game. Which means, there is a decent chance they may bounce anyway for any other similar reason.

Once again, it's not about the game's population - that's only one of the factors. It is also about player retention which is crucial for a subscription-based MMO for the reasons that are so obvious, that I'm still surprised how certain people here still can't understant.

P.S. We discussed all that already in this thread: https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/60737/ashes-of-creation-must-dodge-this-bullet#latest

Podgnil

I am quite satisfied with the stated pumping speed. The most important thing is that the world during it is filled with content and content that is quite complex. So that at a conditional level 30, in green clothes, it would be difficult for me to kill mobs equal to me in level, which would encourage me to go to the dungeon a couple of times to dress up a little, then complete some long chain of quests to get a good reward, maybe farm reputation with someone who can sell me current things... That is, I can’t say that long leveling is super cool, and fast leveling is garbage (although I can say that). Leveling up should correspond to the fullness of the world. It shouldn't be boring, there should be intermediate dungeons. and you don’t have to scale them to come back there all the time. It's a great experience to go through a dungeon and forget about it. Perhaps later, when leveling up another character, you will want to return there. Every time I want to go back to play Warcraft, it starts with the fact that I remember the Wallning coverns, Zul'farrak, and other low-level adventures that I want to return to.
And also, about those who are afraid of falling behind in progress because leveling up will take a lot of time. Сamooone!!, if you have little time you will still fall behind in progress, this is an MMORPG!! not in LVLeng but in clothes, not in clothes but in other aspects on which the high end is tied. For such a casual game there is GW2. This does not mean that you will not be able to play, there will simply be casual guilds, craft guilds. I don't understand People who say 'I'll have 1.5 hours a day three days a week and I don't want to fall behind everyone else.

muckypoo

I agree. Make leveling slow and drops rare. Reason being: VALUE!

Easy and fast stuff has less value. Mobs shall be hard and exploring the world shall be a valuable experience and an adventure to remember.

Please consider a slow and challenging progress.

Flanker

Flanker wrote: »

Alright, I gave it a chance and actually read all of it. Haven't learned anything I didn't know already, but the funny thing begins now.

You are obviously going to bounce and won't give an answer to this (and entertain me again by saying something unimaginably stupid), but here is the question: can you specify which part exactly was supposed to prove that my calculations are not valid?

And now, let me enjoy and see you bounce. Why? Because apparently, you thought that I would either ignore it, not understand what's written there or get overwhelmed by a couple of "scary-looking mathematical formulas". Well, guess again.

Can't wait for your answer.

Flanker wrote: »

P.S. You don't wanna bounce again and make yourself even more of a clown that you already are, don't you?

P.S.S. Come debate me 1v1 face-to-face. With that"logic" of yours, I'll steamroll you (obviously, in a polite and respectful way) in 10 minutes and you'll be free to go.

Flanker wrote: »

@Zehlan cutie pie, are you going to answer the question you've been asked or you got a logical checkmate and prefer to just bounce and lurk here rather than talk?

Dygz

Flanker wrote: »

For everyone's information:

Vlhadus asked Steven the question about leveling speed

Timestamp: 50:35

Link: https://youtu.be/IBYXJ4bTOLk?feature=shared&t=3035

Yeah. Steven said what I said.
Better feedback comes after we have a chance to the current design.
Especially vs "Intrepid must do this in order to avoid this bullet."

Flanker

Dygz wrote: »

Yeah. Steven said what I said.

A more accurate description of this would be "Steven said several things, but I've only heard one that sounds similar to what I said" xD

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