Mana regeneration feels awful

When out of combat the mana regen remains the same as if you were in combat and it is dreadfully slow. Rations also don't help much with this when you have to eat 10 of them to regen one mana bar. Food at the very least should be enough to fill your mana to full.

The current system is just tedious to navigate and doesn't add any layer of difficulty, Please make food restore more mana ore make bards pensive restore more mana to help with the current rates

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Kalnazzar

Adelissa wrote: »

When out of combat the mana regen remains the same as if you were in combat and it is dreadfully slow. Rations also don't help much with this when you have to eat 10 of them to regen one mana bar. Food at the very least should be enough to fill your mana to full.

The current system is just tedious to navigate and doesn't add any layer of difficulty, Please make food restore more mana ore make bards pensive restore more mana to help with the current rates

Rations are a low tier food why would they restore mana to full? Games were mana isn’t a resource that needs managing this would make sense any food would fully restore it. But a full mana restore should be saved for end tier food/potions ect. If not higher tier/quality stuff would be pointless to craft if something as simple as rations can do the same function.

Adelissa

Kalnazzar wrote: »

Rations are a low tier food why would they restore mana to full? Games were mana isn’t a resource that needs managing this would make sense any food would fully restore it. But a full mana restore should be saved for end tier food/potions ect. If not higher tier/quality stuff would be pointless to craft if something as simple as rations can do the same function.

You're just wrong here. We don't currently have many higher tier foods. Low level rations should work for low level characters and restore them to full. It's a system that's tedious and outdated and does nothing but inconvenience the player currently.

Halae

The trick behind this is to encourage you to bring along a support class. I can't remember if clerics get a mana restore option, but I know for certain that bards do in the form of one of their songs that can be picked up as early as level 2.

If it feels like you're lacking recovery, that's intentional. It's to encourage you to bring a support player.

Adelissa

Halae wrote: »

The trick behind this is to encourage you to bring along a support class. I can't remember if clerics get a mana restore option, but I know for certain that bards do in the form of one of their songs that can be picked up as early as level 2.

If it feels like you're lacking recovery, that's intentional. It's to encourage you to bring a support player.

We have a bard in our party, 2 mana per second from their song isn't enough for extended stays at POI's.

Halae

Then maybe you're just moving too fast. This isn't the kind of game where you can sprint from one combat encounter to another. Or, if you can't, it's not something you can do readily at low levels.

Still, this does remain good feedback, even if I disagree with it.

Kalnazzar

Adelissa wrote: »

Kalnazzar wrote: »

Rations are a low tier food why would they restore mana to full? Games were mana isn’t a resource that needs managing this would make sense any food would fully restore it. But a full mana restore should be saved for end tier food/potions ect. If not higher tier/quality stuff would be pointless to craft if something as simple as rations can do the same function.

You're just wrong here. We don't currently have many higher tier foods. Low level rations should work for low level characters and restore them to full. It's a system that's tedious and outdated and does nothing but inconvenience the player currently.

You know there's a rest buff that restores 4 mana, right? Just press the 'X' key on your keyboard (it’s the default). Also, it's not outdated—new MMORPG players are often in a rush, wanting infinite mana to keep going nonstop. That’s not how old-school players enjoyed the game. We liked to stop, rest, and regroup—taking time to plan the next move, talk, and laugh together as a team. Nowadays, like in WoW, players often don’t even talk in dungeons—it’s just a race to the end, which creates a toxic gameplay environment in my opinion.

Adelissa

Kalnazzar wrote: »

you do know there is a rest buff that restores 4 mana? Just press the X button on your keyboard i am pretty sure by default.

If I'm mentioning rations in my post then I'm aware of the rest system yes. My point stands that artificially increasing time spent to restore something as simple as mana makes the game feel bad.

Halae

It's not "artificially" increasing time spent, this is intended. Literally everything you can do in the game is slow, focused, and to a degree fairly plodding, and intentionally so. Getting from one node to another is a 20 minute ordeal depending on what direction you go. Gathering has a wait time. There's no partyfinder system to make grouping faster. You are, at the core of it, intended to take the entire experience slowly and with goals oriented. Why do you think the combat should break from the structure of the rest of the game?

katarinae

I feel mana regeneration is fine where it is. Both bards and clerics have a mana regen ability. Bard being it affects the entire party and clerics can choose who they want to bless with mana. Rations take 10 seconds to fill half your bar, so what's another 10 seconds to fill up the remaining half?

Go out, make some kills, take a breather once in a while and refill. This really isn't a huge issue.

Kalnazzar

Adelissa wrote: »

Kalnazzar wrote: »

you do know there is a rest buff that restores 4 mana? Just press the X button on your keyboard i am pretty sure by default.

If I'm mentioning rations in my post then I'm aware of the rest system yes. My point stands that artificially increasing time spent to restore something as simple as mana makes the game feel bad.

My point stands: making mana regen too fast so players can endlessly pull mobs leads to boring gameplay. I enjoy the challenge of learning how to manage mana properly—my friends do too. This isn’t World of Warcraft, where they’ve removed mana management mechanics. In Ashes, mobs are supposed to be tough, so you can’t steamroll through them without understanding mana, class mechanics, crowd control, and mob strategies. Skill and teamwork are crucial for pushing forward. It adds depth and keeps everyone, including healers and support classes, mindful.

Song13

I'm with the OP to an extent. the main argument isn't really the mana regen in combat that is the major problem. the major problem is the fact that rations aren't giving back much at higher levels. ideally it'd be nice if vendors could sell better food or something at like level 10 so it doesn't take 4 ration packs to get back to full which does take a very long time of sitting. the sitting regen out of combat also takes like 2-4mins thats a ton of time to just sit there to regen ur mana when out of combat. especially if you are a class that doesn't do very well on their own in terms of regen or healing urself. if you fight 2 mobs and then have to sit for 3 or so mins to regen everything back that is a bit much. now yes cooking profession could change a lot of this. better foods could regen faster but that relies on markets and such usually

that also being said, I desperately want mana management especially for healers in combat to be a thing because it's a very important skill for healers and makes it more engaging. just sucks when ur party manas up in 1-2 ration packs for u to still be sitting there staring at the next pack to be pulled while mobs are respawning all around you

Adelissa

Song13 wrote: »

I'm with the OP to an extent. the main argument isn't really the mana regen in combat that is the major problem. the major problem is the fact that rations aren't giving back much at higher levels. ideally it'd be nice if vendors could sell better food or something at like level 10 so it doesn't take 4 ration packs to get back to full which does take a very long time of sitting. the sitting regen out of combat also takes like 2-4mins thats a ton of time to just sit there to regen ur mana when out of combat. especially if you are a class that doesn't do very well on their own in terms of regen or healing urself. if you fight 2 mobs and then have to sit for 3 or so mins to regen everything back that is a bit much. now yes cooking profession could change a lot of this. better foods could regen faster but that relies on markets and such usually

that also being said, I desperately want mana management especially for healers in combat to be a thing because it's a very important skill for healers and makes it more engaging. just sucks when ur party manas up in 1-2 ration packs for u to still be sitting there staring at the next pack to be pulled while mobs are respawning all around you

Correct. The issue is mana management outside of combat at higher levels.

Kalnazzar

Song13 wrote: »

I'm with the OP to an extent. the main argument isn't really the mana regen in combat that is the major problem. the major problem is the fact that rations aren't giving back much at higher levels. ideally it'd be nice if vendors could sell better food or something at like level 10 so it doesn't take 4 ration packs to get back to full which does take a very long time of sitting. the sitting regen out of combat also takes like 2-4mins thats a ton of time to just sit there to regen ur mana when out of combat. especially if you are a class that doesn't do very well on their own in terms of regen or healing urself. if you fight 2 mobs and then have to sit for 3 or so mins to regen everything back that is a bit much. now yes cooking profession could change a lot of this. better foods could regen faster but that relies on markets and such usually

I agree that at higher levels, players will need better food and potions, and I’m perfectly fine with that. However, I’m strongly against allowing NPCs to sell anything that undermines player crafting or selling. If you want to craft it yourself, go for it. If you want to buy from a player, even better. But vendors should not be selling better food or potions, as it takes away from the player-driven economy.

Adelissa

Kalnazzar wrote: »

Song13 wrote: »

I'm with the OP to an extent. the main argument isn't really the mana regen in combat that is the major problem. the major problem is the fact that rations aren't giving back much at higher levels. ideally it'd be nice if vendors could sell better food or something at like level 10 so it doesn't take 4 ration packs to get back to full which does take a very long time of sitting. the sitting regen out of combat also takes like 2-4mins thats a ton of time to just sit there to regen ur mana when out of combat. especially if you are a class that doesn't do very well on their own in terms of regen or healing urself. if you fight 2 mobs and then have to sit for 3 or so mins to regen everything back that is a bit much. now yes cooking profession could change a lot of this. better foods could regen faster but that relies on markets and such usually

I agree that at higher levels, players will need better food and potions, and I’m perfectly fine with that. However, I’m strongly against allowing NPCs to sell anything that undermines player crafting or selling. If you want to craft it yourself, go for it. If you want to buy from a player, even better. But vendors should not be selling better food or potions, as it takes away from the player-driven economy.

Sir this is an alpha, not a game. We need placeholder items until crafting is fleshed out.

Lark Wyll

Halae wrote: »

The trick behind this is to encourage you to bring along a support class. I can't remember if clerics get a mana restore option, but I know for certain that bards do in the form of one of their songs that can be picked up as early as level 2.

If it feels like you're lacking recovery, that's intentional. It's to encourage you to bring a support player.

This simply isn't a viable idea for levelling on live launch of an mmo. Group play comes in later towards end game. Players don't group up to clear low level content and clear levels.

What does a player do that starts the game a month after everyone else advances through the game? They have to be able to play solo with basic quality of life and bot have it be a terriblr experience and take way too much time.

Support classes shouldn't be required to level. They should be required only for group oriented end game content or group poi or boss fights or mob farming optional.

Trikki

Love it just the way it is personally. The rush to end game mentality needs to not exist in one game, hoping this is it.

Song13

Trikki wrote: »

Love it just the way it is personally. The rush to end game mentality needs to not exist in one game, hoping this is it.

I agree but that is only a good thing when a game makes the leveling content rich and exciting as well. As ashes plans to try and do.

Adelissa

Lark Wyll wrote: »

Halae wrote: »

The trick behind this is to encourage you to bring along a support class. I can't remember if clerics get a mana restore option, but I know for certain that bards do in the form of one of their songs that can be picked up as early as level 2.

If it feels like you're lacking recovery, that's intentional. It's to encourage you to bring a support player.

This simply isn't a viable idea for levelling on live launch of an mmo. Group play comes in later towards end game. Players don't group up to clear low level content and clear levels.

What does a player do that starts the game a month after everyone else advances through the game? They have to be able to play solo with basic quality of life and bot have it be a terriblr experience and take way too much time.

Support classes shouldn't be required to level. They should be required only for group oriented end game content or group poi or boss fights or mob farming optional.

This is definitely a concern once we're able to test higher levels in phase 3. We'll actually get to see what happens when someone joins the test six months in and is level 1 while everyone else is doing higher level content. It will be interesting to see how they keep these low level POI's relevant.

SirJohnTheOld

I agree, Mana regeneration out of combat is a little to slow. I wouldn't want to to much faster, foods and rest are how you get it done quickly, but just while out of combat it should regen a little faster, just don't do a 180 and make it too fast.

Veeshan

seems fine to me it like 10-20 seconds to be full mana/hp with one or 2 rations (3c from vendor). Makes bard feel important in groups not to mention many weapons/classes seem to have ways to return mana in the skill tree.

if your constantly needing to rest/eat rations you either undergeared or under levels for what your trying to kill

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