Character Models

Andi

This is supposedly a female.

Where are her hips?

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Ludullu

xDrac wrote: »

Yeah but by my logic, the longer they wait, the more ingrained these models and animations become in people's heads, which I don't think is good. But hey, who knows. I just know that for me, the current models and animations are as bland and uninspired as they come.

That's the open development path that Intrepid chose. They'll have to work against that ingrained thinking in people's heads somehow. We'll see how successful they'll be.

Andi

Intrepid should watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1yjCogrMz4

GreatPhilisopher

Andi wrote: »

Intrepid should watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1yjCogrMz4

always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more .
oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why

Male Examples

WESTERN

VS

EASTERN

Andi

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more .
oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why

My god, I'd feel so insulted by what the game did to my likeness, as a western model.

Aszkalon

xDrac wrote: »

Good old times when different races had different armor, animations, movement and even voice lines...

Let's say it as it is.

This State here is ONLY acceptable - because it is still the Alpha.

This - HAS TO CHANGE - during Phase Three, at some Point. And i do not even mean Audio/Voice Lines when for Example something is out of Reach or so - like in Worst of Warcraft.

These Models ?
These are not models. These are Placeholders. AT. BEST.

GreatPhilisopher

Andi wrote: »

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more .
oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why

My god, I'd feel so insulted by what the game did to my likeness, as a western model.

Andi

Aszkalon wrote: »

These are not models. These are Placeholders. AT. BEST.

The problem I see is, their concept art doesn’t look any better

Aszkalon

Andi wrote: »

Aszkalon wrote: »

These are not models. These are Placeholders. AT. BEST.

The problem I see is, their concept art doesn’t look any better

Wouldn't a whole lot of People disagree with you on that ? Until now i haven't seen any "looks" on Alpha Two Characters which match the Concept Art looks.

GreatPhilisopher

Andi wrote: »

Aszkalon wrote: »

These are not models. These are Placeholders. AT. BEST.

The problem I see is, their concept art doesn’t look any better

agree , the concept art isnt much better

Aszkalon

Maybe it's just me - but i want the Character Creator to have as much Freedom as to include the very looks from the concept arts as well. ;->

Enigmatic Sage

Many of the races and/or rig designs have not appealed to me much if at all to be honest. Nothing against the artists or design team but there hasn't been anything appealing regardless of concept art, high resolution model art or in-game modelling.

I'm sure it's been mentioned several times in similar threads but allowing too much customisation just creates rigging problems for armours and whatever dress up players fantasize about.

Chicago

I am super curious, the entire community thinks the models look like trash, and every time this topic gets brought up, the same response is given " it's an alpha bro, models are not important right now and are place holder"

But then it concerns me deeply that intrepid have announced they are implementing 100 or more cosmetic costumes at the start of phase 3, which must have all been modelled for these character models? I really hope that intrepid can see that they need to ditch the current models and that the art looks absolutely terrible instead of trying to patch changes in like different eye colours or hair styles.. basically every single race right now including the vek and both dwarf races are just humans with different hair styles or weight

Aszkalon

Chicago wrote: »

I am super curious, the entire community thinks the models look like trash, and every time this topic gets brought up, the same response is given " it's an alpha bro, models are not important right now and are place holder"

As one of the few People who came up first with saying they are Placeholders here in the Forum,

i want to tell You that this is what i hope for. It's more like a desperate hope, than a sure Statement.
Why ?
"Why" is it my hope ?

Simply because how absolutely underwhelming your Character looks after you have created him/her. It bugs me greatly that Games like Worst of Warcraft do a better Job of showing the Visuals of the Faces of the Player-Characters than Ashes of Creation.

I know. They are cartoony to a certain Degree. Ashes looks way more "realistic" compared to the Comic-Graphic Style of WoW.

But this is still weird. It's like all Visuals and Graphics shown from Years before is HEAVILY down-toned and downgraded for the Alpha Servers.

As long as this is an Alpha-only thing, this is no Problem. It will get concerning towards Release however. If i am get "lied to" anyway -> can we have at least Options ingame for the Graphics to individually raise the Graphics and "Looks" of the ingame World ? Even if about Nobody will have a Computer before 2040 or higher that will be able to show everything smooth and fluid-running when we travel the ingame World of Verra ?

GreatPhilisopher

Chicago wrote: »

I am super curious, the entire community thinks the models look like trash, and every time this topic gets brought up, the same response is given " it's an alpha bro, models are not important right now and are place holder"

But then it concerns me deeply that intrepid have announced they are implementing 100 or more cosmetic costumes at the start of phase 3, which must have all been modelled for these character models? I really hope that intrepid can see that they need to ditch the current models and that the art looks absolutely terrible instead of trying to patch changes in like different eye colours or hair styles.. basically every single race right now including the vek and both dwarf races are just humans with different hair styles or weight

this , i doubt there is saving whatever these races are , like hell steven was happy with the character looks today while looking at a ugly dwarf that had most of its face covered outside of its gigantic nose which was also as big as a gnome which is something they said they fixed but they really didnt ,so much for listening to feedback...like holy hell

Noaani

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more .
oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why

Yeah, it is a product of the community. The product of an easily "offended" North America (I use quote there as the bulk of these people dont know what being actually offended even is).

Go back 5 to 10 years ago, every female gamer (it seemed) was on every game developers case about the female models in game, how they were setting unrealistic expectations. A handful of news outlets (a term used very losely here) and tried to make it a big deal. These people seemed to think that game developers were the moral arbiters deciding what a female should look like - an obviously absurd notion.

This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game.

And now, half a decade or more later, we are left with a situation where developers creating games aimed at that easily offended market need to tone things down, while developers creating games aimed at the other market simply do kot need to do this.

It sucks, but don't blame developers, and don't make the mistake of thinking they cant make them look better. The blame lies elsewhere.

Terranigma1

This is absurd. The issue with the in-game models is not that they don't look like Korean models but that they simply look deformed and any lack polish. A dwarf doesn't need to look handsome, but he should look like a dwarf and not like a shrinked human, as they currently do.

GreatPhilisopher

Noaani wrote: »

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more .
oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why

Yeah, it is a product of the community. The product of an easily "offended" North America (I use quote there as the bulk of these people dont know what being actually offended even is).

Go back 5 to 10 years ago, every female gamer (it seemed) was on every game developers case about the female models in game, how they were setting unrealistic expectations. A handful of news outlets (a term used very losely here) and tried to make it a big deal. These people seemed to think that game developers were the moral arbiters deciding what a female should look like - an obviously absurd notion.

This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game.

And now, half a decade or more later, we are left with a situation where developers creating games aimed at that easily offended market need to tone things down, while developers creating games aimed at the other market simply do kot need to do this.

It sucks, but don't blame developers, and don't make the mistake of thinking they cant make them look better. The blame lies elsewhere.

its when most of the developers are made out of these type of people who do self insert and some other stupid stuff is when that happened

Zavvy

Kallysha

Noaani wrote: »

GreatPhilisopher wrote: »

always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more .
oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why

Yeah, it is a product of the community. The product of an easily "offended" North America (I use quote there as the bulk of these people dont know what being actually offended even is).

Go back 5 to 10 years ago, every female gamer (it seemed) was on every game developers case about the female models in game, how they were setting unrealistic expectations. A handful of news outlets (a term used very losely here) and tried to make it a big deal. These people seemed to think that game developers were the moral arbiters deciding what a female should look like - an obviously absurd notion.

This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game.

And now, half a decade or more later, we are left with a situation where developers creating games aimed at that easily offended market need to tone things down, while developers creating games aimed at the other market simply do kot need to do this.

It sucks, but don't blame developers, and don't make the mistake of thinking they cant make them look better. The blame lies elsewhere.

Im always baffled when i read/see suff/'takes' like this ngl, what makes you think that YOU( and when i say you is you and the others alike you, which means same distorted mentality...) are the major audience!??

"The product of an easily "offended" North America" - wait WHAT 🤣 (im sorry i had to laugh at that, flash news games are not being made for only North American audiences
"Go back 5 to 10 years ago, every female gamer (it seemed) was on every game developers case about the female models in game, how they were setting unrealistic expectations. A handful of news outlets (a term used very losely here) and tried to make it a big deal. These people seemed to think that game developers were the moral arbiters deciding what a female should look like - an obviously absurd notion." - I reckon your not a female gamer then right? Thats the conclusion i come to (cuz this sounds very much like an incel take)
"This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game." - maybe but just maybe... a large portion/amount of people are not looking forward for 'perfection'
"...easily "offended" North America" "...we are left with a situation where developers creating games aimed at that easily offended market..." - the irony! looks like you just described yourself there...
"...don't blame developers..." "The blame lies elsewhere"- indeed, issue is YOU and your incel mindsets nothing more or less than that

And btw if there is someone who should be deciding 'what a female should look like', it is indeed a female! Its not YOU and your '(obviously) absurd notion' that will define or dictate how a female should look like.

Enigmatic Sage

Kallysha wrote: »

And btw if there is someone who should be deciding 'what a female should look like', it is indeed a female! Its not YOU and your '(obviously) absurd notion' that will define or dictate how a female should look like.

Don't be sexist... LOL ( sorry I couldn't resist )

Opinions comes from many ideals regardless of gender.

What was in SWTOR.. other than the textures making the characters look like they were crayons they had four (4) body types to choose from.

skinny, athletic, average, obese

On a side note, look at the range of the female body builds in the Olympics depending on category.

Faces being appealing or not to the individual is up to the player in the creation menu based on their preferences regardless of gender.

That's my thoughts on it.

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