Kallysha wrote: » Noaani wrote: » GreatPhilisopher wrote: » always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more . oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why Yeah, it is a product of the community. The product of an easily "offended" North America (I use quote there as the bulk of these people dont know what being actually offended even is). Go back 5 to 10 years ago, every female gamer (it seemed) was on every game developers case about the female models in game, how they were setting unrealistic expectations. A handful of news outlets (a term used very losely here) and tried to make it a big deal. These people seemed to think that game developers were the moral arbiters deciding what a female should look like - an obviously absurd notion. This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game. And now, half a decade or more later, we are left with a situation where developers creating games aimed at that easily offended market need to tone things down, while developers creating games aimed at the other market simply do kot need to do this. It sucks, but don't blame developers, and don't make the mistake of thinking they cant make them look better. The blame lies elsewhere. Im always baffled when i read/see suff/'takes' like this ngl, what makes you think that YOU( and when i say you is you and the others alike you, which means same distorted mentality...) are the major audience!?? "The product of an easily "offended" North America" - wait WHAT 🤣 (im sorry i had to laugh at that, flash news games are not being made for only North American audiences "Go back 5 to 10 years ago, every female gamer (it seemed) was on every game developers case about the female models in game, how they were setting unrealistic expectations. A handful of news outlets (a term used very losely here) and tried to make it a big deal. These people seemed to think that game developers were the moral arbiters deciding what a female should look like - an obviously absurd notion." - I reckon your not a female gamer then right? Thats the conclusion i come to (cuz this sounds very much like an incel take) "This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game." - maybe but just maybe... a large portion/amount of people are not looking forward for 'perfection' "...easily "offended" North America" "...we are left with a situation where developers creating games aimed at that easily offended market..." - the irony! looks like you just described yourself there... "...don't blame developers..." "The blame lies elsewhere"- indeed, issue is YOU and your incel mindsets nothing more or less than that And btw if there is someone who should be deciding 'what a female should look like', it is indeed a female! Its not YOU and your '(obviously) absurd notion' that will define or dictate how a female should look like.
Noaani wrote: » GreatPhilisopher wrote: » always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more . oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why Yeah, it is a product of the community. The product of an easily "offended" North America (I use quote there as the bulk of these people dont know what being actually offended even is). Go back 5 to 10 years ago, every female gamer (it seemed) was on every game developers case about the female models in game, how they were setting unrealistic expectations. A handful of news outlets (a term used very losely here) and tried to make it a big deal. These people seemed to think that game developers were the moral arbiters deciding what a female should look like - an obviously absurd notion. This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game. And now, half a decade or more later, we are left with a situation where developers creating games aimed at that easily offended market need to tone things down, while developers creating games aimed at the other market simply do kot need to do this. It sucks, but don't blame developers, and don't make the mistake of thinking they cant make them look better. The blame lies elsewhere.
GreatPhilisopher wrote: » always funny to me how western companies use models that are usually attractive or good looking then uglify the hell out of them while the eastern ones make them as beautiful if not more . oh and the western ones usually dont have a problem with male ones ...i wonder why
Enigmatic Sage wrote: » Don't be sexist... LOL ( sorry I couldn't resist )
Kallysha wrote: » Enigmatic Sage wrote: » Don't be sexist... LOL ( sorry I couldn't resist ) Oh yes the irony in that statement innit
Noaani wrote: » Thank you for proving my point about how easily offended North Americans can be. Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer.
Kallysha wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Thank you for proving my point about how easily offended North Americans can be. Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer. I aint american so cant relate, i assume you talking about yourself then. 🤣 And ofc not.... 😂 it would only make sense to you and your kind if i do agreed with you, right!?
Noaani wrote: » Your first point about not all games being made for a North American audience - most are, and the ones we are talking about all are. Other regions will play them, but they are designed primarily for a North American audience. As such, your point here makes no sense.
Noaani wrote: » Your second point to refute my point about actions 5 - 10 years ago, where your only reply was to state that I am obviously (in your opinion) not female. Umm, ok. What exactly does it means if I am, but also what does it mean if I am not ? In both cases, nothing - your point here makes no sense.
Noaani wrote: » Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer.
Noaani wrote: » Third was about Korea and the general notion there being each individuals notion of perfection is the goal of that individual. Your comment that maybe not everyone is "looking forward" for perfection makes no sense. This is because it was an obvious generalization about the population of South Korea in relation to the population of North America, and how the design aesthetics of games primarily aimed at each region differ based on the generalizations of each population.
Noaani wrote: » Fourth, I state that North Americans are easily offended, and your witty comback was that I described myself there. I am in no way offended by any of this, and in fact I find the entire situation amusing - much as I am amused by having to reply to your post on the previous page.
Noaani wrote: » The last point you made in your list where I said to not blame developers, your response was that it was my fault, which again, obviously makes no sense. Your last point about if there is someone that should decide "what a female should look like" is the most absurd, because no one is talking about (or cares about) that. We are talking about what females in games look like, and the person/people that should decide what they look like are obviously the character artists (and artistic lead) working on the game in question - regardless of their gender.
Kallysha wrote: » Wrong! YOU are the small group of people, but for some reason you guys like to think you are the majority when isnt the case (must be due to entitlement/delusion). Low key, i was in a matter of fact mocking your ridiculous post, yet you failed to understand that; wonder why...but anyways Noaani wrote: » Your first point about not all games being made for a North American audience - most are, and the ones we are talking about all are. Other regions will play them, but they are designed primarily for a North American audience. As such, your point here makes no sense. Im sorry WHAT? 🤣 you are indeed a comedian arent you? (im quite certain most are all aiming to a global (international) market)
Noaani wrote: » Your second point to refute my point about actions 5 - 10 years ago, where your only reply was to state that I am obviously (in your opinion) not female. Umm, ok. What exactly does it means if I am, but also what does it mean if I am not ? In both cases, nothing - your point here makes no sense. Noaani wrote: » Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer. I mean by all means be my guest at just keep on giving me reason/confirmation 😂by all means
Noaani wrote: » Third was about Korea and the general notion there being each individuals notion of perfection is the goal of that individual. Your comment that maybe not everyone is "looking forward" for perfection makes no sense. This is because it was an obvious generalization about the population of South Korea in relation to the population of North America, and how the design aesthetics of games primarily aimed at each region differ based on the generalizations of each population. ???? ^ ...so you started to compare both and now you trying to contradict yourself!?
Noaani wrote: » Fourth, I state that North Americans are easily offended, and your witty comback was that I described myself there. I am in no way offended by any of this, and in fact I find the entire situation amusing - much as I am amused by having to reply to your post on the previous page. Sure... me too 😂 Noaani wrote: » Thank you for proving my point about how easily offended North Americans can be. Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer. btw Noaani wrote: » The last point you made in your list where I said to not blame developers, your response was that it was my fault, which again, obviously makes no sense. Your last point about if there is someone that should decide "what a female should look like" is the most absurd, because no one is talking about (or cares about) that. We are talking about what females in games look like, and the person/people that should decide what they look like are obviously the character artists (and artistic lead) working on the game in question - regardless of their gender. "...obviously makes no sense." Obviously ahaha 😆 What do you mean nobody cares about?? You guys clearly do.... what does that even mean? im sorry you all in here on a constant ramble nonstop crying HOW mainly females look or should look like (oh yes in game) and now you daring to say it is not the case? whaaaaa???? Im sorry but YOU try make sense
Noaani wrote: » Kallysha wrote: » Wrong! YOU are the small group of people, but for some reason you guys like to think you are the majority when isnt the case (must be due to entitlement/delusion). Low key, i was in a matter of fact mocking your ridiculous post, yet you failed to understand that; wonder why...but anyways Noaani wrote: » Your first point about not all games being made for a North American audience - most are, and the ones we are talking about all are. Other regions will play them, but they are designed primarily for a North American audience. As such, your point here makes no sense. Im sorry WHAT? 🤣 you are indeed a comedian arent you? (im quite certain most are all aiming to a global (international) market) When it comes to differences in taste and sensibilities between regions - things thst are accepted in EU but not NA, and vice versa, for example - game developers always go with the NA sensibilities. Sure, they will sell it to who ever wants to buy it, but in terms of game design or art direction, if there is a decision to be made to fit in to the sensibilities of NA, EA, SA, SEA, RU, JP, KR or Oceania, game developers outside of KR and RU will almost always so with appeasing the NA sensibilities. Noaani wrote: » Your second point to refute my point about actions 5 - 10 years ago, where your only reply was to state that I am obviously (in your opinion) not female. Umm, ok. What exactly does it means if I am, but also what does it mean if I am not ? In both cases, nothing - your point here makes no sense. Noaani wrote: » Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer. I mean by all means be my guest at just keep on giving me reason/confirmation 😂by all means Sweetie, don't look to me for confirmation. Noaani wrote: » Third was about Korea and the general notion there being each individuals notion of perfection is the goal of that individual. Your comment that maybe not everyone is "looking forward" for perfection makes no sense. This is because it was an obvious generalization about the population of South Korea in relation to the population of North America, and how the design aesthetics of games primarily aimed at each region differ based on the generalizations of each population. ???? ^ ...so you started to compare both and now you trying to contradict yourself!? I'm unsure how you think I have contradicted myself here. Noaani wrote: » Fourth, I state that North Americans are easily offended, and your witty comback was that I described myself there. I am in no way offended by any of this, and in fact I find the entire situation amusing - much as I am amused by having to reply to your post on the previous page. Sure... me too 😂 Noaani wrote: » Thank you for proving my point about how easily offended North Americans can be. Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer. btw Noaani wrote: » The last point you made in your list where I said to not blame developers, your response was that it was my fault, which again, obviously makes no sense. Your last point about if there is someone that should decide "what a female should look like" is the most absurd, because no one is talking about (or cares about) that. We are talking about what females in games look like, and the person/people that should decide what they look like are obviously the character artists (and artistic lead) working on the game in question - regardless of their gender. "...obviously makes no sense." Obviously ahaha 😆 What do you mean nobody cares about?? You guys clearly do.... what does that even mean? im sorry you all in here on a constant ramble nonstop crying HOW mainly females look or should look like (oh yes in game) and now you daring to say it is not the case? whaaaaa???? Im sorry but YOU try make sense As I said, we are not talking about how a female should look, we are talking about how a female should look in computer games. These are vastly different statements with vastly different scope, and so the distinction NEEDS to be made. If your statement that "if there is someone who should be deciding 'what a female should look like', it is indeed a female!" was not intendedfocused general statement, but rather one focused specifically at "in computer games" and you just forgot to include any mention of said computer games, then all I can say is "that is ridiculous".
Noaani wrote: » This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game.
GreatPhilisopher wrote: » WESTERN VS EASTERN
SoSpokeMika wrote: » God, I miss the old character creator-The one Steven used to create Asmongold.
Kallysha wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Kallysha wrote: » Wrong! YOU are the small group of people, but for some reason you guys like to think you are the majority when isnt the case (must be due to entitlement/delusion). Low key, i was in a matter of fact mocking your ridiculous post, yet you failed to understand that; wonder why...but anyways Noaani wrote: » Your first point about not all games being made for a North American audience - most are, and the ones we are talking about all are. Other regions will play them, but they are designed primarily for a North American audience. As such, your point here makes no sense. Im sorry WHAT? 🤣 you are indeed a comedian arent you? (im quite certain most are all aiming to a global (international) market) When it comes to differences in taste and sensibilities between regions - things thst are accepted in EU but not NA, and vice versa, for example - game developers always go with the NA sensibilities. Sure, they will sell it to who ever wants to buy it, but in terms of game design or art direction, if there is a decision to be made to fit in to the sensibilities of NA, EA, SA, SEA, RU, JP, KR or Oceania, game developers outside of KR and RU will almost always so with appeasing the NA sensibilities. Noaani wrote: » Your second point to refute my point about actions 5 - 10 years ago, where your only reply was to state that I am obviously (in your opinion) not female. Umm, ok. What exactly does it means if I am, but also what does it mean if I am not ? In both cases, nothing - your point here makes no sense. Noaani wrote: » Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer. I mean by all means be my guest at just keep on giving me reason/confirmation 😂by all means Sweetie, don't look to me for confirmation. Noaani wrote: » Third was about Korea and the general notion there being each individuals notion of perfection is the goal of that individual. Your comment that maybe not everyone is "looking forward" for perfection makes no sense. This is because it was an obvious generalization about the population of South Korea in relation to the population of North America, and how the design aesthetics of games primarily aimed at each region differ based on the generalizations of each population. ???? ^ ...so you started to compare both and now you trying to contradict yourself!? I'm unsure how you think I have contradicted myself here. Noaani wrote: » Fourth, I state that North Americans are easily offended, and your witty comback was that I described myself there. I am in no way offended by any of this, and in fact I find the entire situation amusing - much as I am amused by having to reply to your post on the previous page. Sure... me too 😂 Noaani wrote: » Thank you for proving my point about how easily offended North Americans can be. Your actual post makes no sense, I hope you understand that. It is the incoherent ramblings of an offended North American white female gamer. btw Noaani wrote: » The last point you made in your list where I said to not blame developers, your response was that it was my fault, which again, obviously makes no sense. Your last point about if there is someone that should decide "what a female should look like" is the most absurd, because no one is talking about (or cares about) that. We are talking about what females in games look like, and the person/people that should decide what they look like are obviously the character artists (and artistic lead) working on the game in question - regardless of their gender. "...obviously makes no sense." Obviously ahaha 😆 What do you mean nobody cares about?? You guys clearly do.... what does that even mean? im sorry you all in here on a constant ramble nonstop crying HOW mainly females look or should look like (oh yes in game) and now you daring to say it is not the case? whaaaaa???? Im sorry but YOU try make sense As I said, we are not talking about how a female should look, we are talking about how a female should look in computer games. These are vastly different statements with vastly different scope, and so the distinction NEEDS to be made. If your statement that "if there is someone who should be deciding 'what a female should look like', it is indeed a female!" was not intendedfocused general statement, but rather one focused specifically at "in computer games" and you just forgot to include any mention of said computer games, then all I can say is "that is ridiculous". OOF so conclusion absolute delusion and entitlement...also dont call me sweetie we not that close at all... Noaani wrote: » This didn't happen in Korea, because in Korea, the goal is perfection - even if that means surgery (Seoul is the cosmetic surgery capital of the world). Koreans weren't offended by perfect looking characters in games, they looked at that as a reason to up their own game. Noaani wrote: » Third was about Korea and the general notion there being each individuals notion of perfection is the goal of that individual. Your comment that maybe not everyone is "looking forward" for perfection makes no sense. This is because it was an obvious generalization about the population of South Korea in relation to the population of North America, and how the design aesthetics of games primarily aimed at each region differ based on the generalizations of each population. Hmm...interesting inst it, looks like who is doing the generalizations it is indeed you, since you even trying to talk for the koreans themselves (and the on going comparison to North America 😆)... "As I said, we are not talking about how a female should look, we are talking about how a female should look in computer games." - No shit Sherlock (pardon my french) and here i thought this was the entire point of the topic (well yours cuz it is actually not the main topic)... Also let me borrow this one: GreatPhilisopher wrote: » WESTERN VS EASTERN Care to explain? SoSpokeMika wrote: » God, I miss the old character creator-The one Steven used to create Asmongold. This one is too funny 😆which one? the one which they look exactly as they do now? is that what you missing!? i cant...
GreatPhilisopher wrote: » then you must be blind lol
Andi wrote: » They're afraid of criticism a la "objectifying women". So just do it like FFXIV, and make males equally hot and objectified. If everyone's "objectified", then nobody is.
Sathrago wrote: » Caeryl wrote: » Some people in here are definitely asking for women to get the skimpy version, given the near nudity on that cartoon looking elf that got posted. Solid 'no thanks' to that asian mmo nonsense. Yeah these asian mmorpgs are crazy.
Caeryl wrote: » Some people in here are definitely asking for women to get the skimpy version, given the near nudity on that cartoon looking elf that got posted. Solid 'no thanks' to that asian mmo nonsense.
Smaashley wrote: » When female characters were more realistic in 1996...
Terranigma1 wrote: » This is absurd. The issue with the in-game models is not that they don't look like Korean models but that they simply look deformed and any lack polish. A dwarf doesn't need to look handsome, but he should look like a dwarf and not like a shrinked human, as they currently do.
Aszkalon wrote: » Now everyone thinking themselves smart might want to argue and say :" NO !!! Ashes is not an Asia-MMO for Gooners and so on !!! " - and these People are way off the mark.
Aszkalon wrote: » A bit more Difference is desired. Boys get the broader Shoulders and Muscles - Girls should get a few more Curves.
Aszkalon wrote: » Baldurs Gate Three has one of the best Character Creators ever, as it seems. Is it Mods/modded if one can set the Muscle-greatness/smallness for the Characters, too ?
Kallysha wrote: » Indeed and yes i do have mods but no the muscular body type is not one, some of the face presets tho however and the eyes and hairstyles they are, although bg3 has a lot of options it is never enough 😄
Kallysha wrote: » Come again!? 😝
Andi wrote: » This thread is full of irrelevant trash, starting with the American-dissing and the inevitable spam that came after.
Andi wrote: » The topic of this thread is: The character models look terrible. Fix them.
Andi wrote: » I'm definitely not going to play this (and spend money for cosmetics) if that means I'll have to pilot a meth addict through Verra.
Aszkalon wrote: » Kallysha wrote: » Come again!? Is that muscular girl from the Character Creator of "Dragon Age : The Veilguard" ? Because as cool as she looks, all buff and so on - that Game is kinda ... ... ... . However!! I like how the Option is already in the Alpha 2 Character Creator of Ashes of Creation to adjust your Characters' Shoulder- and Arm-broadness and so on. You can decide if your Character looks weak, or if your Character has heavily worked out all their Life. Andi wrote: » This thread is full of irrelevant trash, starting with the American-dissing and the inevitable spam that came after. What was the American-dissing Please, if i might ask ? lol Are the Character Creators in American Games in the last Years bad or so ? Not that i would know. Andi wrote: » The topic of this thread is: The character models look terrible. Fix them. Hashtag /NotALLCharacterModels - but Yes. There were still heavy Improvements possible since earlier this Year. The whole Character Creator needed to level up it's Game. Since i haven't heard from a great Improvement since then - i just assume it is still the same and that there is still lots of Room for Improvement. Andi wrote: » I'm definitely not going to play this (and spend money for cosmetics) if that means I'll have to pilot a meth addict through Verra. What exactly do you mean, with "piloting a Meth Addict" ? Do the Characters look stoned to You ? What i personally can not wrap my head around for this Life of mine -> is how Years-old Concept Arts, or Character Creator Videos from the likes of 2018 or so -> can look SOOOOO MUCH better than what the Character Creator was, since the Start of Phase 1 in late October to early November last Year. Honestly. I don't get it. What is preventing Intrepid from going with the better Model ? I just have to assume that this is because the Coding from the earliest Alpha 2 Stages somehow just doesn't allow it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kallysha wrote: » Come again!?
GreatPhilisopher wrote: » thats a whole ass man lmao , what the hell are these characters they kept getting worse the more i scrolled down lmfao 😝
