Relying to basic attacks gimmicks is unfunny

What the sugguestion is: Having to rely on basic attack to make combos , synergies and debuff is not that exciting

Why does it matter?: I have tested to level 12 the Ranger, Warrior, Bard, and Tank, and I strongly feel that having to rely too much on basic attacks is a fondamently unfunny mechanic, every times I find myself having to use basic attacks I think "Am I doing something wrong?". I think the overall combat should rely more on abilities.
The only situation where I justify this much use of basic attacks is when I'm out of mana, that is a mistake on the player part

How does it affects your gameplay?: Sometimes the combat feel unengaging and unfunny when I have to use alot of basic attacks

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daveywavey

Means you have to plan your ability use a little better. Work in some of the basic attacks to proc your effects and your mana regen.

Some archetypes struggle with mana sustain, so it can be harder depending on what you're testing. But try to lose the habit from other games to just spam abilities as soon as you can, and try and plan them around your weapon combos.

Foossa

I disagree. Many games do exactly as you describe making weapons little more than stat sticks. Here there is actual choice to influence weapon finishers and a good portion of the damage in some classes can be close to 40% importance.

It is refreshing and something new. It will get better and the interactions will improve. However, STAY FAR AWAY from gimmicky mechanics tied to weapon swings like animation cancelling and patch fixes for those as they are found.

Scrittore

As I said "The only situation where I justify this much use of basic attacks is when I'm out of mana, that is a mistake on the player part" So I agree on the Mana part, if somone can't handle the mana, is a Skill Issue on their part.

the think that I'm arguing about is the importance of said basic attack, the "the damage in some classes can be close to 40% importance" is my problem, I would much rather see a "20% importance" due to the lack of enjoyment in said basic attack.

The basic attacks as of now, are an important part of the combat, and I feel like they shouldn't be this polarizing

daveywavey

I'd like to see a few actual Weapon Skills to add to my skill-bar, depending on the weapon equipped. But I'm not expecting that to happen.

Scrittore

" I'd like to see a few actual Weapon Skills to add to my skill-bar, depending on the weapon equipped. But I'm not expecting that to happen."

That would be a good idea actually, maybe some minor weapon skills like "The Next basic attack will count as a combo finisher" or "The next fishiner will be a critical hit", something on that line , with something lik 45sec CD or more (probably more), this could be good

Sathrago

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/513010#Comment_513010

Honestly the game feels extremely clunky with this version of auto attacks. Being forced to just stop playing until your auto combos finish feels lame and disjointed. Its not smooth gameplay at all. I would much prefer if we kept the combo stage while we were weaving abilities and the gameplay was about lining up burst or effects. I feel like it would be so much better.

Think about it, for a full finisher rotation its like 4-5 seconds of just not playing your character. How is that a good design choice?

daveywavey

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/513029#Comment_513029

Yeah, feels like queueing up some Weapon Skills into a combo instead would be more meaningful.

I'm still pushing for the Weapon Skills! hahaha

Sathrago

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/513031#Comment_513031

+1 on that. Weapon skills would be a nice touch and it was honestly something I took as a given when first hearing about weapon talent trees. Its honestly… dare i say, lazy that there really isnt much difference between weapons besides elemental or physical debuffs and magic or physical damage. I know there are some variations in stats that can be interesting, but they really are just stat sticks atm.

Also i want to complain about the fact that we are forced to have a melee and ranged weapon. Let me wield a wand and a spellbook damnit.

Scrittore

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/513031#Comment_513031

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