The Star Citizen Effect

So I am going to preface this by saying I Kickstarted this game WAY back when. I have Alpha2 access that I have been patiently waiting for since then. However, I fear this game is starting to follow the same feature creep problems Star Citizen has in terms of extending development. Not to mention the crazy amount of MTX bundles (some with pretty big price tags) to pay for those features.

From what I have seen the game on the surface seems to be promising (much like Star Citizen was early on). But I am a bit worried they are focusing too much on MTX bundles and not on releasing the game.

I am not trying to bash the game at all, I am VERY excited to play this game. But the direction they are going feels all too similar to Star Citizen(another game I kickstarted) that really hasn't panned out and that worries me.

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daveywavey

Odal wrote: »

Yes I have looked at the list, are you saying they do not need more experienced and good developers? Cause I allready know they do, considering they posted a recruitment list just like two days ago.

They don't "need" more, they just want them to make the development go faster. They'd still be able to finish the game with what they have. With more, however, it'll simply get completed quicker. Your suggestion that there were only 3 experienced staff is still just as ridiculous as it was before you carried on digging your hole.

In other news: You've made the Ignore List! You've been here a day... Congratulations!

Tyranthraxus

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

The elves are typically at the root and cause of many problems in many games/stories. I bet the corruption of Verra is somehow linked to them causing the planets races to flee the planet. would be funny though if it was true.

Haha! Blame it all on the Elves....

At least the feature creep that has become characteristic of Star Citizen can't (directly) be blamed on Elves!

Yours truly had heard about Star Citizen quite awhile before hearing about Ashes of Creation. Both were titles that guildies had mentioned at one point or another. While they both spark a lot of imagination and possibility, I'd have to say that Ashes has managed expectations far better, and has a much better path towards reveals and development updates.

I'd have to agree with the general consensus of the responders to the OP: I've yet to see anything in Ashes of Creations' updates that would indicate any kind of feature creep.

Enigmatic Sage

As a funny side note,

We could blame the creation of Tulnar on the Elves too. All this hate towards Tulnar should be directed at the true problem... The elves! Evil King Atrax creating hybrids with tainted elven blood lines.

Death to the Elves!!!

Enigmatic Sage

I feel like there is a Harry Potter joke and reference here somewhere with Muggles/Mudbloods lol.

bloodprophet

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

The elves are typically at the root and cause of many problems in many games/stories. I bet the corruption of Verra is somehow linked to them causing the planets races to flee the planet. would be funny though if it was true.

Haha! Blame it all on the Elves....

At least the feature creep that has become characteristic of Star Citizen can't (directly) be blamed on Elves!

Yours truly had heard about Star Citizen quite awhile before hearing about Ashes of Creation. Both were titles that guildies had mentioned at one point or another. While they both spark a lot of imagination and possibility, I'd have to say that Ashes has managed expectations far better, and has a much better path towards reveals and development updates.

I'd have to agree with the general consensus of the responders to the OP: I've yet to see anything in Ashes of Creations' updates that would indicate any kind of feature creep.

Vulcan's are just space elves. If nothing else we can blame them.

Enigmatic Sage

this thread is getting interesting

Atama

bloodprophet wrote: »

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

The elves are typically at the root and cause of many problems in many games/stories. I bet the corruption of Verra is somehow linked to them causing the planets races to flee the planet. would be funny though if it was true.

Haha! Blame it all on the Elves....

At least the feature creep that has become characteristic of Star Citizen can't (directly) be blamed on Elves!

Yours truly had heard about Star Citizen quite awhile before hearing about Ashes of Creation. Both were titles that guildies had mentioned at one point or another. While they both spark a lot of imagination and possibility, I'd have to say that Ashes has managed expectations far better, and has a much better path towards reveals and development updates.

I'd have to agree with the general consensus of the responders to the OP: I've yet to see anything in Ashes of Creations' updates that would indicate any kind of feature creep.

Vulcan's are just space elves. If nothing else we can blame them.

Your argument is highly illogical.

Vaknar

Talents wrote: »

As far as we know they haven't added anything "new" that would create feature/scope creep. Everything they're adding/have added was in Steven's original game design document from like 2015/16.

I was going to say this until I read this comment! I have been following Star Citizen as well hoping that one day it will release. Though, I agree. They continuously alter and add to their roadmap. Another game I play that is doing this, though not to the same extent is Escape From Tarkov. I do hope these games release one day!

Ashes has had a consistent roadmap that hasn't been altered much at all for years.

Steven and the team are very transparent with the development, too

Atama

Yeah, the schedule has been pushed back a couple of times, one time when testing found some infrastructure issues that required fixes to the servers, and then of course Covid. But while dates have changed the scope hasn’t. What we saw in Kickstarter is what they’re planning to release.

The only things they’ve added are cosmetics and that’s just fluff. Imagine if all Star Citizen added was ship skins and space suit cosmetics. The game would probably be out years ago.

Enigmatic Sage

Tarkov is awesome. I heard the maps are all going to connect eventually so it's one big open world. They got some great goals for that game.

ptitoine

Agann wrote: »

So I am going to preface this by saying I Kickstarted this game WAY back when. I have Alpha2 access that I have been patiently waiting for since then.

I wouldnt worry myself if I were you yet. I mean to create a game like assassin's creed they usually are 4-5 years in production in advance.

Now we talk about an MMORPG. Not just a single player Open world. To have a good one you should wait at least 7year in production minimum. Ashes is really ambitious I could even go with 9year of production to be honest.

We still aint there yet. And Alpha 1 was release not long ago. So I dont think there is anything to worry

Plutar

ptitoine wrote: »

Agann wrote: »

So I am going to preface this by saying I Kickstarted this game WAY back when. I have Alpha2 access that I have been patiently waiting for since then.

I wouldnt worry myself if I were you yet. I mean to create a game like assassin's creed they usually are 4-5 years in production in advance.

Now we talk about an MMORPG. Not just a single player Open world. To have a good one you should wait at least 7year in production minimum. Ashes is really ambitious I could even go with 9year of production to be honest.

We still aint there yet. And Alpha 1 was release not long ago. So I dont think there is anything to worry

After 9 years of production time you would run into the issue of outdated technology being used. See the most recent installment of Duke Nukem. IN FACT, they are already exploring the use of a NEW technology (Unreal Engine 5) while all of their custom code-base is on Unreal Engine 4, deciding if it is feasible to swap over. So taking longer can cause even further delays if you then decide the new tech. is required. Increased production time does NOT mean you are getting a more polished game. After a certain point, it means project management is almost non-existent. I have faith in AoC, that's why I have supported it.

But I would lose that faith if 9 years passed with only a Beta to show for it.

Agann

Appreciate the constructive conversation surrounding this topic. After reading through this thread, as well as the roadmap it does make me feel much better about my investment in this game. I also appreciate the direct feedback from someone on the team. Keep up the great work and hope Alpha 2 lands sooner than later!

Yuyukoyay

You can make good games on outdated technology. Most junior developers can probably recreate diablo 2 with the development tools they got now in like a month. Same could be said about the technology they are using really.

Once you get to a point in technology. Improvements are actually quite small. So unless there were drastic resource or rendering improvements. Then I wouldn't worry about it too much.

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