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Will their be HUGE swords in AOC

LegendNDKLegendNDK Member
edited November 2023 in General Discussion
When i mean huge, i don't mean 4 to 5 feet long swords. i mean 6'5 to 7'5 feet long huge swords, for inspiration, look at the Dragon slayer from berserk
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  • tautautautau Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I could not find the reference in the wiki, but I think I recall that there will not be vastly oversized weapons.
  • unknownsystemerrorunknownsystemerror Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    It was resolved. He went on Discord and Steven had one of his rare appearances. He gave a new quote to the effect "I like big swords, but with our take on fantasy realism, you will not be seeing grossly oversized weapons." <paraphrasing>
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  • BehagueBehague Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    "Size matters not" - Yoda and likely every Dünzenkell to return to Verra shortly ;)
  • edited November 2023
    Behague wrote: »
    "Size matters not" - Yoda and likely every Dünzenkell to return to Verra shortly ;)

    it's true.. the dual dagger have essentially the same range due to the extended force. Video should be time stamped already.

    Personally not a fan of it.

    https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=228
  • KilionKilion Member, Alpha Two
    There is actually a quote on the Wiki about this that I came across in the past:

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    Source: Ashes of Creation Wiki on Dyes

    I personally am quite satisfied with that decision, I don't like JRPG aesthetics so having neither "cute cat girls" nor ridiculously large weapons seems like good news to me ^^
    The answer is probably >>> HERE <<<
  • edited November 2023
    @Kilion got to draw the line somewhere i guess. We can have undersized mounts pulling a caravan but an oversized sword is out of the question lol

    I'm ok without oversized weapons. Not a fan of dual wielding 2h weapons eithers so I'm glad that is not a thing
  • KilionKilion Member, Alpha Two
    @Kilion got to draw the line somewhere i guess. We can have undersized mounts pulling a caravan but an oversized sword is out of the question lol

    I'm ok without oversized weapons. Not a fan of dual wielding 2h weapons eithers so I'm glad that is not a thing

    Were they undersized? If they were Intrepid could either add more or increase the size. And now I am unsure: Did I say in the past that the mounts weren't undersized? XD
    The answer is probably >>> HERE <<<
  • Kilion wrote: »
    @Kilion got to draw the line somewhere i guess. We can have undersized mounts pulling a caravan but an oversized sword is out of the question lol

    I'm ok without oversized weapons. Not a fan of dual wielding 2h weapons eithers so I'm glad that is not a thing

    Were they undersized? If they were Intrepid could either add more or increase the size. And now I am unsure: Did I say in the past that the mounts weren't undersized? XD

    The ones in the caravan demo recently definitely looked like some ponies pulling a tractor trailer lol. But that's another thread :smile: Was just being cheeky about the hills some people die on when it comes to high fantasy and realism related to the game design
  • @Kilion
    Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.
  • I am not going to judge until I have the alpha 2. The design updates they give us every month are more about perception. Combat being the single most important part of the game to me. If combat isn't right nothing else matters, will make or break the game.
  • KilionKilion Member, Alpha Two
    @Kilion
    Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

    I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?
    The answer is probably >>> HERE <<<
  • Kilion wrote: »
    @Kilion
    Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

    I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?
    He means the essence :smile:
    You do not go with a dagger onto a battlefield. Dagger is useful as a weapon easy to conceal.
    But we are used also to endless number of throwing daggers and arrows. Or arrows changing direction to hit the target...
  • edited November 2023
    Kilion wrote: »
    @Kilion
    Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

    I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?

    I posted it earlier. look at the dual dagger part. Length doesn't matter. Daggers have some range essentially.

    time stamp 3:50 onwards.

    https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=229

    Raven016 wrote: »
    Kilion wrote: »
    @Kilion
    Weapon size doesn't matter in ashes as shown in the dual dagger demo video posted. "energy" makes up the distance. Weird to me but weapons will have weight classes.. lol. Controversial design in my opinion.

    I read about the part with the 3 weight classes for weapons that determine the basic attack patterns and possible movement during those attacks. But I'm not sure if I understand the "energy" part?
    He means the essence :smile:
    You do not go with a dagger onto a battlefield. Dagger is useful as a weapon easy to conceal.
    But we are used also to endless number of throwing daggers and arrows. Or arrows changing direction to hit the target...

    no I meant the energy visually and physically making up the length of the attack lol
  • KilionKilion Member, Alpha Two
    I'd be lying if I said I could tell the attack ranges, but if ranges were indeed the same between a sword and a dagger it would probably be a waste of potential in combat design depth.

    If daggers in reality not only are fast weapons but also high damage because... stabbing. But their realistic disadvantages are mainly the range and the lower damage potential compared to swords because there is less material weight behind them. I guess if Intrepid were able to design them that way that would be great.
    Though being overly focused on realism will only make the fantasy elements look stupid. There is a balance to strike and not an easy one at that.
    The answer is probably >>> HERE <<<
  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    LegendNDK wrote: »
    When i mean huge, i don't mean 4 to 5 feet long swords. i mean 6'5 to 7'5 feet long huge swords, for inspiration, look at the Dragon slayer from berserk

    huge like deez
  • Kilion wrote: »
    I'd be lying if I said I could tell the attack ranges, but if ranges were indeed the same between a sword and a dagger it would probably be a waste of potential in combat design depth.

    If daggers in reality not only are fast weapons but also high damage because... stabbing. But their realistic disadvantages are mainly the range and the lower damage potential compared to swords because there is less material weight behind them. I guess if Intrepid were able to design them that way that would be great.
    Though being overly focused on realism will only make the fantasy elements look stupid. There is a balance to strike and not an easy one at that.

    Yeah it's not something I like either to be honest. It's similar to how in some video games the ability is the defining factor in the range, so weapon length doesn't matter while using something like a cleave or a whirl wind.. but yeah. They wanted it to be fair for dagger users as weapon speed and haste doesn't really have the role people think it does currently.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    I posted it earlier. look at the dual dagger part. Length doesn't matter. Daggers have some range essentially.

    time stamp 3:50 onwards.

    https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=229

    I mean, was the sword range the only distance it could hit at, or was that just how he played it and ran right up to it, or it ran up to him?
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • edited November 2023
    daveywavey wrote: »
    I posted it earlier. look at the dual dagger part. Length doesn't matter. Daggers have some range essentially.

    time stamp 3:50 onwards.

    https://youtu.be/FglW5YhugRY?t=229

    I mean, was the sword range the only distance it could hit at, or was that just how he played it and ran right up to it, or it ran up to him?

    It's to do with being able to hit targets with player collision. The weapon class/weight just has to do with mobility and "root" motion with inertia. The range of attack regardless of weapon is pretty much the same based on what they've said and shown for melee anyways.
  • AszkalonAszkalon Member, Alpha Two
    LegendNDK wrote: »
    When i mean huge, i don't mean 4 to 5 feet long swords. i mean 6'5 to 7'5 feet long huge swords, for inspiration, look at the Dragon slayer from berserk

    I think it will not be as overly huge as some Weapons from WoW, or even the Dragonslayer from Berserk.


    Would be very refreshing to be honest. Always these Swords that are as big as your Character, feel a little bit and forced at times.
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  • TyranthraxusTyranthraxus Member, Alpha Two
    There was a giant one in today's live-stream. Granted, it's clearly a two-handed sword over the guy's shoulder, when he's standing still.

    ....Every Korean MMO player's wet-dream - but then again, how else would you hold a 2-hander, while at-ease?



  • Here is the quote from Steven, which comes from yesterday on Discord:

    "I enjoy big swords, so long as it isn’t overly sized to ludicrous proportions. It’s purely subjective but not consistent within our style guide of a higher fidelity of magical realism" - Steven :)
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  • TheDarkSorcererTheDarkSorcerer Member, Alpha Two
    I am happy there won't be oversized weapons in this game. It's an outdated design choice.
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  • There was a giant one in today's live-stream. Granted, it's clearly a two-handed sword over the guy's shoulder, when he's standing still.

    ....Every Korean MMO player's wet-dream - but then again, how else would you hold a 2-hander, while at-ease?




    Still one of the most fun and best dark souls boss fights in my opinion. Hope we can see some weapons like that.

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    Cant forget about Artorias the Abysswalker.
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    too many great boss fights :smile:
  • ChocometeorChocometeor Member, Alpha Two
    Well the 2h Sword they were using in the 30Nov Stream was as big as the Wielder isnt that what you call a ''oversized'' weapon ?

    Dont get me wrong i liked it alot! who would use a 2h sword if it werent huge
    uwu
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Just need someone to do a Big Swords version of Baby Got Back.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • Well the 2h Sword they were using in the 30Nov Stream was as big as the Wielder isnt that what you call a ''oversized'' weapon ?

    Dont get me wrong i liked it alot! who would use a 2h sword if it werent huge

    It's definitely bigger than they were planning in their alpha-one combat demonstration to current. any bigger than that and it's getting outlandish in my opinion. Let's hope we're never allowed to dual wield 2h weapons.
  • Huge orcs should have huge swords.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member, Alpha Two
    Well the 2h Sword they were using in the 30Nov Stream was as big as the Wielder isnt that what you call a ''oversized'' weapon ?

    Dont get me wrong i liked it alot! who would use a 2h sword if it werent huge

    It's definitely bigger than they were planning in their alpha-one combat demonstration to current. any bigger than that and it's getting outlandish in my opinion. Let's hope we're never allowed to dual wield 2h weapons.

    Awwww man. Just watching the stream now. That massive sword is tooooo much.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/


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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited December 2023
    Can it be strapped to the wielder's back when not in combat?
  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Raven016 wrote: »
    Huge orcs should have huge swords.
    Size doesn't matter.
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