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Data Obscurity in Ashes
Solvryn
Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
How much data does a person think they should be able to see or hide in the case of Ashes? What side of the fence are you on when it comes to obscuring others access to data.
Would you like to be able to hide your Health/Mana from other players?
Would you like to be able to hide the armor you're using from other players?
Would you even like to be able to hide the organizations you're in from other players?
Do you think you should be able to hide what gear sets you're wearing from other players, instead of the icon showing what kind of gear you're wearing?
Would you like an elaborate fog of war system within the game so you cannot tell who is who at a distance?
How do you feel about player inspection systems?
Would you like to be able to hide your Health/Mana from other players?
Would you like to be able to hide the armor you're using from other players?
Would you even like to be able to hide the organizations you're in from other players?
Do you think you should be able to hide what gear sets you're wearing from other players, instead of the icon showing what kind of gear you're wearing?
Would you like an elaborate fog of war system within the game so you cannot tell who is who at a distance?
How do you feel about player inspection systems?
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1- yes
2- no
3- dont care
4- no
5- you could still click them and see their target, unless they make it so that you cant. but no, i wanna see who is coming from afar.
6- no, never. eww.
I’m a fan of gear inspection that can be toggled on/off
Hiding armor type should not be possible because it impacts gameplay negatively, specifically PvP. By all means transmog your gear, but it should be a piece from the same armor class. Having zero restrictions on Costumes/Cosmetic gear is as silly as allowing a player to transmog a dagger with a 2 handed sword or even a sword with a staff.
Hiding your Guild no, but it won't matter because people can get around this by temporarily leaving their Guild or creating an alt.
Fog of war on the map only. If there are obstructions to vision it should be from certain class abilities, natural fog or darkness due to the time of day or location such as a cave or a crypt.
Inspecting should have a toggle on/off from the character menu.
That's apart of a Fog of War systems.
I don't think this is the case, I can figure out who's wearing what by damaging them.
I think its fine for Rogues.
But you described actual Fog of War on your first response whether you realized it or not.
My gears mine, it's not anyones business what I'm wearing besides the people I run with and myself.
How much data does a person think they should be able to see or hide in the case of Ashes? What side of the fence are you on when it comes to obscuring others access to data.
I'm pro obscuring data, the only thing that needs to be visible to others is my nameplate and health/mana %
Would you like to be able to hide your Health/Mana from other players?
Health and Mana numbers shouldn't be visible to anyone but yourself, your guild, and those you are in direct party with.
Would you like to be able to hide the armor you're using from other players?
Pro transmog, I've been mmoing long enough to figure out whos wearing what within a few button presses.
Would you even like to be able to hide the organizations you're in from other players?
This would be good for rogues/assassins[/quote]
Do you think you should be able to hide what gear sets you're wearing from other players, instead of the icon showing what kind of gear you're wearing?
I do not personally need that icon to figure out whos who. I can tell by their position on the field and what their skills will do to what class they are then can tell what armor bonus they have by the damage they take
Would you like an elaborate fog of war system within the game so you cannot tell who is who at a distance?
Yes, fog of war is a great mechanic in PvP and allows high strategic and tactical gameplay.
How do you feel about player inspection systems?
Theres no need, take a screen shot and update your information manually for your guild if they require it.
Yeah you can with added steps, through attacking the wrong targets or added UI elements. That's impacting gameplay negatively.
Yeah, maybe they'll have a disguise ability that hides everything about them while out of combat, who knows. I'm saying in general everyone should not be able to hide important information about themselves whenever they want.
Then toggle it off. Many people like having the option.
Teh full gear inspection might be excessive, but it is important in party scenarios, especially during raids where specific roles are crucial. Perhaps there could be an option to accept the full gear inspection in such situations.
("Player" is requesting to inspect you)
ACCEPT / DENY
Name, Guild, Level.
Nothing more.
("Player" is requesting to see your tattoos)
Haggle / Kick and Flag
noo this is abusable in pvp xD its like trade requests lol
You can do (Block Inspect Requests).
Lots of games have this for guild, trade, and party invites. Which will possibly have the same PvP implications.
Also not allowed in combat etc.
No to all of those. Less data leads to less pvp, not more. You should have some idea at a glance what a fight will be like, so you can make quick decisions. You need information for that.
If players can hide everthing, people will be over cautious about starting a fight. We want conflict to actually happen.
I don’t need much data to win my fights. Not in the last 20 years of PvPing.
Well thats good, but you have to apply it to the playbase at large.
I think you guys are seeing this from the angle of how you would use it to your advantage. That's fine, but it doesn't encourage folks who are not as eager to pvp, to pvp. If anything, lack of information acts as a barrier to entry.
That's not how it works. Even if it did, that same playerbase would always be to scared to PvP anyway.
That's definitely how it works. Think about why they don't want to pvp and erase those barriers.
The more hard core and inaccessible you make it the fewer people you will see fighting.
Edit: At the very least gear type should be made obvious. I don't want to see everyone running around in transmog dresses to cover up their full plate armor.
Players who actively don't want to PvP generally don't want to because they're either bad at it or everyone else is better at it. Being able to instantly see how much better everyone else around them is isn't going to encourage them to do it more.
Why do you need it to be so easy? Make us think, don't spoon-feed us.
It all depends on how well the game manages to convey a general information of health and gear. If it doesnt work properly, if all the cosmetics causes confusion in PvP, then an inspection system is needed.
Otherwise I dont mind a lack of inspection system. When it comes to PvE its another unnecessary tool for elitists to be elitist.
Kindof indifferent to fog of war. Might add, be interesting, or just might be balls, annoying and unnecessarily confusing in PvP.
Dont think you should ever let people hide their guild tags or similar. Cant think of anything it would add except trolling.
I'd like to blow this up a thousand times. People who want easy PvP love being spoon-fed data.
Are we here to have fun playing a video game or are we here trying to prove something?
My fun is mastery and a challenge.
What I want to be hidden until locked on is the very highlighting of a players name.
Giving the stealth element another boost.
If there is no visual camoflague then let there be at least a punishment for sleeping on the visual job.
People do not deserve to find other people easily by just looking at a name hovering over someone.
Since Sea of Thieves I have gotten very comfy with the ability to hide in plain sight.
But in SoThieves it is only possible due your own name not getting rendered when you are in a hide-emote.
1. In Asherons Call we had “Deception” which counter skill-passive was “Assessment”, an attempt to deceive function could be implemented into Ashes so players can hide their stats away from others so it works within the game. That’s an appropriate way to hide flat numbers from other players without being too much of a disruption to the game. The counter to that would be an assessment function that allows players counter check the attempt to deceive.
2. Using the attempt to deceive function, it would also include the “Armor” icon that allows players to transmog and completely obscure it from other players.
3. Also attempt to deceive when it comes to organizational data, though this is more appropriate to be expanded upon within the Rogue/Thief archetype.
4. See 2. A vanity system will exist within Ashes.
5. A Fog of War system would be a maximum distance draw that players can visually assess any data on a player till they’re within a set visual range.
6. I think inspection systems shouldn’t be in the game at all, however if they are. Allow players to check who can inspect their gear. Randoms, Allies, Guild, Party; etc.
I don't have hugely strong opinions on any of these except for inspecting. All this leads to is toxic people using it to allow or not allow people into their groups for pve content. Or pvpers checking gear to see if they're able to beat someone off gear alone. If you want to pvp someone, you're taking a chance in that fight when you initiate. Now, appearance wise, you may be able to tell what gear they are wearing by appearance and that is fine, I just don't feel inspection as a tool is a good thing overall. I guess if it was a needed thing maybe it should be guild only, or something you have to agree to.
Health and mana will most likely be viewable regardless, I don't care either way personally. We already know that you can have skins over your armor so you technically can hide what you're wearing. Organization wise, I think it's fun to allow items to hide it for a bit, but idk how far that should go. I don't feel any particular way fog of war wise.
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