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Re: Weekly Feedback Request - 02/27/2025
Top 3-5 Most Important Bugs:
1. Can't keybind mousewheel up/down
2. Marketplace defaulting to materials if no items
3.
Top 3-5 Most Important Feedback Topics:
1. Static quaranteed rarity gatherable spawns bad
2. Improve Action Cam
3. Add cast bar under nameplates
4. Option to remove soft lock
5. "Hard Lock Hold" Keybind option that does not overwrite other keybinds = able to have Action Cam attack + Hard lock hold on left mouse button.
1. Can't keybind mousewheel up/down
2. Marketplace defaulting to materials if no items
3.
Top 3-5 Most Important Feedback Topics:
1. Static quaranteed rarity gatherable spawns bad
2. Improve Action Cam
3. Add cast bar under nameplates
4. Option to remove soft lock
5. "Hard Lock Hold" Keybind option that does not overwrite other keybinds = able to have Action Cam attack + Hard lock hold on left mouse button.
Mayhem
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Re: 📝 Dev Discussion #73 - Boss Environments 👹
I'll keep this short since I talk about it so much as it is.
I like when the enemies around and the weather situation change the battle, this is Macro-environment for me.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/52939/lets-theoryraid-1-jormungand-vs-xenojiiva
Xeno'jiiva's arena in its 'normal' form also has some elevation changes that you can use until it destroys them, but it's subverted because the thing you normally use elevation for (mounting the monster) doesn't work on it.
I like when bosses can 'call adds' but it isn't just some base mechanic they have at a scripted time. Tumok shaking spiders out of trees would be in my wheelhouse then. Muh immersion.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55622/lets-theoryraid-2-cyclops-v2-no-depth-perception
I also like chaotic/war settings, especially when it temporarily 'takes over' a familiar location, causing the player to rethink the area and form new 'memories' and concepts.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55673/lets-theoryraid-3-putting-heads-together-hydra-illuyankas-ffxi-vs-tiamat-onigiri
Illuyankas can be part of Besieged and attack Al Zahbi, alongside many troops, and even though this is the equivalent of a Castle Siege defense so there are many players to deal with the many enemies, it still feels good.
In terms of actual environments, everything about Toublek is great, and it becomes greater when you fight the Tier 2 version Kertaki. FF11 would have added even more to this, making the 'weather' in the area change based on certain area-statuses like the fog, or having things like 'windy weather' affect the fight.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/58812/lets-theoryraid-4-briareus-and-tourblek-reimagined
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/60640/lets-theoryraid-5-tiamat-ffxi-vs-firebrand
FF11 Tiamat is mostly, again, just 'enemies around and weather situation'. Firebrand, when fully implemented, will be even more amazing for similar reasons. Steam to block vision, ground hazard lingering burning areas, locations where the breath would be blocked by terrain... I look forward to seeing Firebrand fights in all sorts of cool environs.
Other than that, as another poster mentioned, the 'ground falling out from under you' thing is always at least somewhat interesting (FF11 Diabolos fight, for me, but obv many others).
There are too many recent examples from Throne and Liberty to even go into. They seemingly try to keep these complex mechanics out of Field Bosses since those 'need' to be accessible to the least invested players, but I'd say that there are more battles with environmental components than without them, so it would really just be 'a list of TL Dungeon Boss and miniBoss mechanics, excluding Heliber/Karnix'.
My personal favorite is Carmine Rage Island because the layout is just so good, it really gives that 'I'm having an adventure in a goblin forest' feeling, MiniBoss #1 being a 6v6 is fun but not really environmental. MiniBoss 2 has an environmental 'mechanic' placed around a Goblin... Hellcaster (idk we just call this mob 'Hydrolox').
Hydrolox has various moments where you can imagine the Arena floods with magical energy from some huge Runestones that surround it, and each player gets one protective rune 'attunement' applied to them. To survive the blast that will come or at least not get massively chunked down health-wise, you have to 'notice which Runestone has the mark matching your resonance, and move to it'. But the Runestones themselves aren't all in your field of view and the mark doesn't last long. Similarly, a teamwork aspect comes up since if you miss yours, you can 'know not to go to a spot where you see a teammate'. Hydrolox also changes position and focus during this, I think, and being aware of all three things at the same time enhances the feeling of stress in the boss fight.
There are also multiple hints on the ground patterns of boss arenas, which I'm not personally a huge fan of (and my group has to constantly be reminded to take a look at the floor before engaging the boss to get a starter-guess of where to stand). I think it was also for 'accessibility', but probably for communication purposes, as it makes it easier for the Lead Adventurer to coordinate the.. "C-Ranks", for lack of a better term.
The inverse can be 'seen' in Monster Hunter games (well, moreso World), where the spot you fight a monster changes the planning and fight, sometimes massively, and environmental 'bonuses'/hazards abound. Since the monster moves around or can start in different areas on the map, it helps somewhat, as even 'special hunts' aren't really 'scripted' in the normal sense. Things like 'Kushala Daora going into locations it wouldn't normally go and creating new battle mechanics' like its Fire tornadoes.
MMOs are often forced to limit this type of content for the sake of not disrupting newer players, which I understand (but of course, as a 'veteran', find to be a little disappointing). There are many arenas and environments that can feel recontextualized by adding boss encounters in this way.
FF11 eventually implemented this using a system that didn't have the best immersive effect on me, the 'Voidwalker Notorious Monster'. This was done in the way it was mostly to prevent low level players from stumbling across potentially-aggressive forms of 'things they absolutely should not mess with' in a punishing game, but the ability to fight a devastating Raid Level black dragon in what has, for all your 'life' on that character, been either a Starter zone, or at worst, a war battlefield in one small section, makes an impression very different from fighting effectively the same thing in just a 'standard arena', though that Arena had good 'vibes' too.
Long live Anguis, Long live Yilbegan, down with Overlord Bakgodek.
I like when the enemies around and the weather situation change the battle, this is Macro-environment for me.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/52939/lets-theoryraid-1-jormungand-vs-xenojiiva
Xeno'jiiva's arena in its 'normal' form also has some elevation changes that you can use until it destroys them, but it's subverted because the thing you normally use elevation for (mounting the monster) doesn't work on it.
I like when bosses can 'call adds' but it isn't just some base mechanic they have at a scripted time. Tumok shaking spiders out of trees would be in my wheelhouse then. Muh immersion.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55622/lets-theoryraid-2-cyclops-v2-no-depth-perception
I also like chaotic/war settings, especially when it temporarily 'takes over' a familiar location, causing the player to rethink the area and form new 'memories' and concepts.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55673/lets-theoryraid-3-putting-heads-together-hydra-illuyankas-ffxi-vs-tiamat-onigiri
Illuyankas can be part of Besieged and attack Al Zahbi, alongside many troops, and even though this is the equivalent of a Castle Siege defense so there are many players to deal with the many enemies, it still feels good.
In terms of actual environments, everything about Toublek is great, and it becomes greater when you fight the Tier 2 version Kertaki. FF11 would have added even more to this, making the 'weather' in the area change based on certain area-statuses like the fog, or having things like 'windy weather' affect the fight.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/58812/lets-theoryraid-4-briareus-and-tourblek-reimagined
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/60640/lets-theoryraid-5-tiamat-ffxi-vs-firebrand
FF11 Tiamat is mostly, again, just 'enemies around and weather situation'. Firebrand, when fully implemented, will be even more amazing for similar reasons. Steam to block vision, ground hazard lingering burning areas, locations where the breath would be blocked by terrain... I look forward to seeing Firebrand fights in all sorts of cool environs.
Other than that, as another poster mentioned, the 'ground falling out from under you' thing is always at least somewhat interesting (FF11 Diabolos fight, for me, but obv many others).
There are too many recent examples from Throne and Liberty to even go into. They seemingly try to keep these complex mechanics out of Field Bosses since those 'need' to be accessible to the least invested players, but I'd say that there are more battles with environmental components than without them, so it would really just be 'a list of TL Dungeon Boss and miniBoss mechanics, excluding Heliber/Karnix'.
My personal favorite is Carmine Rage Island because the layout is just so good, it really gives that 'I'm having an adventure in a goblin forest' feeling, MiniBoss #1 being a 6v6 is fun but not really environmental. MiniBoss 2 has an environmental 'mechanic' placed around a Goblin... Hellcaster (idk we just call this mob 'Hydrolox').
Hydrolox has various moments where you can imagine the Arena floods with magical energy from some huge Runestones that surround it, and each player gets one protective rune 'attunement' applied to them. To survive the blast that will come or at least not get massively chunked down health-wise, you have to 'notice which Runestone has the mark matching your resonance, and move to it'. But the Runestones themselves aren't all in your field of view and the mark doesn't last long. Similarly, a teamwork aspect comes up since if you miss yours, you can 'know not to go to a spot where you see a teammate'. Hydrolox also changes position and focus during this, I think, and being aware of all three things at the same time enhances the feeling of stress in the boss fight.
There are also multiple hints on the ground patterns of boss arenas, which I'm not personally a huge fan of (and my group has to constantly be reminded to take a look at the floor before engaging the boss to get a starter-guess of where to stand). I think it was also for 'accessibility', but probably for communication purposes, as it makes it easier for the Lead Adventurer to coordinate the.. "C-Ranks", for lack of a better term.
The inverse can be 'seen' in Monster Hunter games (well, moreso World), where the spot you fight a monster changes the planning and fight, sometimes massively, and environmental 'bonuses'/hazards abound. Since the monster moves around or can start in different areas on the map, it helps somewhat, as even 'special hunts' aren't really 'scripted' in the normal sense. Things like 'Kushala Daora going into locations it wouldn't normally go and creating new battle mechanics' like its Fire tornadoes.
MMOs are often forced to limit this type of content for the sake of not disrupting newer players, which I understand (but of course, as a 'veteran', find to be a little disappointing). There are many arenas and environments that can feel recontextualized by adding boss encounters in this way.
FF11 eventually implemented this using a system that didn't have the best immersive effect on me, the 'Voidwalker Notorious Monster'. This was done in the way it was mostly to prevent low level players from stumbling across potentially-aggressive forms of 'things they absolutely should not mess with' in a punishing game, but the ability to fight a devastating Raid Level black dragon in what has, for all your 'life' on that character, been either a Starter zone, or at worst, a war battlefield in one small section, makes an impression very different from fighting effectively the same thing in just a 'standard arena', though that Arena had good 'vibes' too.
Long live Anguis, Long live Yilbegan, down with Overlord Bakgodek.
Azherae
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Re: Pylons as "Player-Driven Events"
In light of the 'revelation' in your other thread, I might not actually spend too much time on expanding on this one, actually...
Everything I'd have said depends entirely on an interpretation of Ashes' intended flows and PvP 'penalties' that we're no longer sure of, maybe.
And if you think it's fine that Pylons can't overlap, and that the playerbase will just have to deal with whatever exploits/frustrations that brings, then there's no 'issue' there either, it would just be a design thing I would 'disagree with', but wouldn't say 'this is a problem'.
Always a hard case when talking about game design stuff, knowing when 'I don't like this' isn't the same as 'this is bad', but I think in this case, 'non-overlapping Pylons' is 'I don't like this'.
Everything I'd have said depends entirely on an interpretation of Ashes' intended flows and PvP 'penalties' that we're no longer sure of, maybe.
And if you think it's fine that Pylons can't overlap, and that the playerbase will just have to deal with whatever exploits/frustrations that brings, then there's no 'issue' there either, it would just be a design thing I would 'disagree with', but wouldn't say 'this is a problem'.
Always a hard case when talking about game design stuff, knowing when 'I don't like this' isn't the same as 'this is bad', but I think in this case, 'non-overlapping Pylons' is 'I don't like this'.
Azherae
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Re: Weekly Feedback Request - 02/27/2025
Alright I have never posted in here before, but there is a really simple change that needs to happen.
General bags can hold 20 stacks of materials. In town storage holds stacks of 20 materials. Processing stations can only process stacks of 10 or 25.
This means when i spend hours running around gathering, fill up my bags and head back to town. I have to either craft 10 and put the other 10 in storage to do later, or I put 20 in storage and wait till I find 5 more to do a 25 stack.
My storage is always full, I am a heavy miner, there are a dozen different mining materials multiplied by 6 grades = I come back from a mining run and I just have to NPC sell half of the materials because they won't fit in storage, and they don't fit on the processing tables. I might come back with 17 Epic metal, and I want to process them all, but I have to do 10, 5, 1, 1 at a time, very tedious. Instead, I put them in storage and wait till I find 8 more, and do the full 25 stack.
Can we just process any number? Is the 1, 5, 10, 25, 50, etc. really necessary? Can process the whole stack be an option? I've already paid the 5 gold in two cities for extra storage, and I spend hours running back and forth managing storage. Having more space would be great, having taller stacks would be great. But having the default processing amounts equal the default stack amounts is a no brainer.
Thanks!
While I'm on it, this game is heavy on teamwork and player to player interactions, great! I love mining, and I have a scribe friend who wants my rubies for ink. I collect every ruby I see, but have to save them till I meet up with him next. This is fine in theory, except my storage is always full, I have half stacks of epic/legendary materials, and I just don't have room for the space rubies take up. I NPC so many stacks that I want to keep, but I have to choose between my 3 legendries or the 20 commons. I NPC the commons.
Storage is really a pain point. I have tried the town storage specializations, and it still doesn't work last I checked. Provides less space then general storage, and no increased stack size. Strait worse. I have journeyman bags which are great, and have deep stack sizes, but I can't carry around valuables when the punishment for death is so high.
Increase storage space? increase stack depth? add guild storage? make processing amounts match storage amounts? change deaths to like drop half but only destroy 1? or add a cc immunity equivalent - (I died 3 times last night in the same pull) only drop half the materials on the first death, and have a cooldown before I drop another half? It's not just dropping, but materials are destroyed on death means no recovery. I could have 100 materials, die 3 times and I only have 12 left, with a max of 40 if I pick everything back up. Maybe drop 50% first death, but only drop 25% if you die again within 10 minutes? then 10% if you die again again? etc. The xp debt and travel time already feels bad, the rate of materials being destroyed on death could be adjusted... and again, I wouldn't tend to go grinding with 100 materials in my bag, but town storage is always full, so... I have to sell them before I leave town.
I don't want to sell, I want to mine, I want to collect high rarity materials, I want to save materials for my friends. I am stuck in a lose lose situation of I have to sell materials I want to keep, I have to run across the world to store them in a different node, I risk losing them if I die, or I quit mining? Not great options. Not to mention I can't store any other non mining gatherables... which are required if I want to craft my things...
Ah this is plenty long enough... storage is frustrating.
General bags can hold 20 stacks of materials. In town storage holds stacks of 20 materials. Processing stations can only process stacks of 10 or 25.
This means when i spend hours running around gathering, fill up my bags and head back to town. I have to either craft 10 and put the other 10 in storage to do later, or I put 20 in storage and wait till I find 5 more to do a 25 stack.
My storage is always full, I am a heavy miner, there are a dozen different mining materials multiplied by 6 grades = I come back from a mining run and I just have to NPC sell half of the materials because they won't fit in storage, and they don't fit on the processing tables. I might come back with 17 Epic metal, and I want to process them all, but I have to do 10, 5, 1, 1 at a time, very tedious. Instead, I put them in storage and wait till I find 8 more, and do the full 25 stack.
Can we just process any number? Is the 1, 5, 10, 25, 50, etc. really necessary? Can process the whole stack be an option? I've already paid the 5 gold in two cities for extra storage, and I spend hours running back and forth managing storage. Having more space would be great, having taller stacks would be great. But having the default processing amounts equal the default stack amounts is a no brainer.
Thanks!
While I'm on it, this game is heavy on teamwork and player to player interactions, great! I love mining, and I have a scribe friend who wants my rubies for ink. I collect every ruby I see, but have to save them till I meet up with him next. This is fine in theory, except my storage is always full, I have half stacks of epic/legendary materials, and I just don't have room for the space rubies take up. I NPC so many stacks that I want to keep, but I have to choose between my 3 legendries or the 20 commons. I NPC the commons.
Storage is really a pain point. I have tried the town storage specializations, and it still doesn't work last I checked. Provides less space then general storage, and no increased stack size. Strait worse. I have journeyman bags which are great, and have deep stack sizes, but I can't carry around valuables when the punishment for death is so high.
Increase storage space? increase stack depth? add guild storage? make processing amounts match storage amounts? change deaths to like drop half but only destroy 1? or add a cc immunity equivalent - (I died 3 times last night in the same pull) only drop half the materials on the first death, and have a cooldown before I drop another half? It's not just dropping, but materials are destroyed on death means no recovery. I could have 100 materials, die 3 times and I only have 12 left, with a max of 40 if I pick everything back up. Maybe drop 50% first death, but only drop 25% if you die again within 10 minutes? then 10% if you die again again? etc. The xp debt and travel time already feels bad, the rate of materials being destroyed on death could be adjusted... and again, I wouldn't tend to go grinding with 100 materials in my bag, but town storage is always full, so... I have to sell them before I leave town.
I don't want to sell, I want to mine, I want to collect high rarity materials, I want to save materials for my friends. I am stuck in a lose lose situation of I have to sell materials I want to keep, I have to run across the world to store them in a different node, I risk losing them if I die, or I quit mining? Not great options. Not to mention I can't store any other non mining gatherables... which are required if I want to craft my things...
Ah this is plenty long enough... storage is frustrating.
Goldren
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Re: Pvp Event Death Penalties
I remember the idea behind PvP events was that you could play a lot without stressing about dying since there wouldn’t be any penalties. Did that change? I didn’t realize, honestly, since I’ve lost interest in AoC a bit, diplomacy and war stuff just doesn’t do it for me.
PvP events in AoC feel kinda strange. I’m not sure how fast people will respawn, but I’d have the smaller group respawn faster and the bigger group slower. That would balance out how many people are alive on each side. If the smaller group avoids fights, the bigger group would slowly keep respawning until the full zerg forms up, and then they’d eventually overwhelm the smaller group. But I don’t remember seeing anything about this, so I’m not sure if Intrepid’s even thinking about it or what their plans are, we just have no idea about their line of thought on this.
The smaller group would only get zergged if they were avoiding fights or if they really can't even get a kill on the other group. If people still want debuffes and effects on the dead, then I would give them temporary debuffs for the duration of the event only.
Overall, I wasn’t a huge fan of the diplomacy and war systems in AoC, and that really made me lose confidence in the game. Like Steven said, "systems make games great," but honestly, aside from the node system, caravan system, and weather system, I’m not really impressed, to say the least. Sorry.
PvP events in AoC feel kinda strange. I’m not sure how fast people will respawn, but I’d have the smaller group respawn faster and the bigger group slower. That would balance out how many people are alive on each side. If the smaller group avoids fights, the bigger group would slowly keep respawning until the full zerg forms up, and then they’d eventually overwhelm the smaller group. But I don’t remember seeing anything about this, so I’m not sure if Intrepid’s even thinking about it or what their plans are, we just have no idea about their line of thought on this.
The smaller group would only get zergged if they were avoiding fights or if they really can't even get a kill on the other group. If people still want debuffes and effects on the dead, then I would give them temporary debuffs for the duration of the event only.
Overall, I wasn’t a huge fan of the diplomacy and war systems in AoC, and that really made me lose confidence in the game. Like Steven said, "systems make games great," but honestly, aside from the node system, caravan system, and weather system, I’m not really impressed, to say the least. Sorry.
Re: Why make everything so punishing??
I know the standard answer goes, '' Well this game isn't for everyone, so don't play it if you don't like the PVP/Lack of Fast Travel? Death Penalties/Lack of Solo Play, etc.
I say, Why not make it more appealing to more people though?[/b] As an MMO community, we've been hanging out for 'the next big thing' for quite a while now. A lot of us have supported development by buying into the Alphas and giving 'testing' a go. We are entitled to give our opinions. A lot of us are old-time MMO players, so we do have valid opinions. I for example, spent over $700 Aussie Dollars supporting the game, so don't say I haven't been supportive.
Why not tweak things so more players want to play? Why make everything super hard/super punishing? Many of us in RL have enough RL struggles; we just want to escape into a game and enjoy some playtime. We WANT to support a new game—a great game—one we can play for years! One we can solo OR group? Flag for PVP... or not. Quest OR grind.
I agree, don't make things too easy—maybe the difficulty level of say Classic WoW—which yes, is still popular because it's not 'too' easy, people can play PVP or PVE, they can make macros, quests, Spam Dungeons, Battlegrounds, and Multibox (yes, legally, it's ok; don't get your knickers in a knot.) Group or not group, etc.
I really don't get this whole non-fun, narrow-minded approach.
Because its an autistic PvP kids community and only what they say is good; they will never exept any other opinion; you spend money on an outdated project; there is no place for simple players; they will run game; they will have around 200 people playing it; and after die very fast and left only see how this kids will cry in reddit or other forums; 100% any mmo cannot stay alive if have no players
uNworn1
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Re: GvG/PvP Downsides and AOC's Solutions?
Player tracking: Not suure how much utility that has in Ashes but I guess under certain circumstances - like bounty hunters tracking corrupted players - it makes for an interesting feature. I could imagine a zone wide event maybe giving temporary access to such a system but that would be all. The role of the shady guy in the tavern should be filled by players if at all. Its much more interesting from an RP perspective to have players sell information about another player than having an NPC just relay that kind of information from the code of the game.
Spawn kills: That's easy to mitigate by making respawning player green/non-combatant again. If someone were to spawn kill them, they'd instantly become corrupt.
Guild power: Combat strength is irrelevant in a mayors election unless its a military node. If the policies become too annoying to deal with, people can just end their citizenship and drain the Node of its resources, which will eventually cause it to fall into ruin. It doesn't always take a siege to bring down a tyranny.
Gear & Meta: Meta is not a thing in Ashes at least that is the goal. Since this however is a balancing topic it will only be fully realized during the Beta. With that being said: Ashes will have a rock-paper-scissors system amplified by the augmentation system, which basically can overpower whatever a player thinks is the "meta" in regards to gear. Because ultimately gear is going to account for around 40-50% of a characters combat power. Also no gear is perfect. Steven has been on record saying that he thinks it is stupid to have one gear piece be best-in-slot for all scenarios. So the perfect gear to counter an assassin type class won't help much against a mage.
Spawn kills: That's easy to mitigate by making respawning player green/non-combatant again. If someone were to spawn kill them, they'd instantly become corrupt.
Guild power: Combat strength is irrelevant in a mayors election unless its a military node. If the policies become too annoying to deal with, people can just end their citizenship and drain the Node of its resources, which will eventually cause it to fall into ruin. It doesn't always take a siege to bring down a tyranny.
Gear & Meta: Meta is not a thing in Ashes at least that is the goal. Since this however is a balancing topic it will only be fully realized during the Beta. With that being said: Ashes will have a rock-paper-scissors system amplified by the augmentation system, which basically can overpower whatever a player thinks is the "meta" in regards to gear. Because ultimately gear is going to account for around 40-50% of a characters combat power. Also no gear is perfect. Steven has been on record saying that he thinks it is stupid to have one gear piece be best-in-slot for all scenarios. So the perfect gear to counter an assassin type class won't help much against a mage.
Kilion
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Re: GvG/PvP Downsides and AOC's Solutions?
Hello, Everyone and welcome to this open discussion. I, ObiWon, your future Tank Extraordinaire
With that said, why continue reading past this opening phrase.
Solvryn
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Re: GvG/PvP Downsides and AOC's Solutions?
Hello, Everyone and welcome to this open discussion. I, ObiWon, your future Tank Extraordinaire have been playing Black Desert Online for the Past 5 years. And, I wanted to open up some discussion about potential downsides and fixes that I am not sure have been addressed or discussed. They may have been talked about already, and there may very well be other discussions about this specific topic with AOC staff giving solutions however, I am not informed about them so I am making this post here.
So, to get started I will be discussing 6 topics particularly, Player/Guild Tracking, Spawn Killing, Negative Chat Dialogue, Guild Domination, Gear Locking, and PvP Skill/Gear Caps. To get started;
Player or even guild tracking can become very disadvantageous, annoying, toxic, problematic, etc. which can deter players from playing. However, tracking a player and their exact location can be useful, fun, and appropriate given the right treatment. Therefore I personally don't believe Guild Tracking at maximum should ever be a feature within this game. Especially since tracking a whole guild doesn't seem viable as it consists of many players who engage in different activities or parts of the map at different times. For example, in BDO you are able to go to a shadowy figure within the tavern in the Town of Velia who for a certain amount of money will unlock the current location of a player on the same server as you. But, if they move from the initial ping it does not follow them. Giving them a chance, however, it does not notify them that they are being tracked.
This allows players to get PK'd during intense grind sessions or lifeskilling when they do not desire to PvP at all. Now We know Ashes has created a system that lets you indicate whether or not you even want to participate in PvP and if you are killed as a PvE player there are penalties for the PvPer. However, some players will make alts or kills regardless of any penalties. And someone may not always be online or have friends to help them. How do we solve those instances? I have heard of a Sheriff system but, no further discussion has been talked about. Can someone getting spawn killed or farmed even type or ask for aid when they are killed? In, BDO, once you die you cannot type or do anything except respawn allowing you to get continuously killed without being able to ask for aid.
Spawn killing in BDO is so prevalent that even players with good gear or skill can overwhelmed because they cannot repsawn at full health unless they have an item called a fairies tear and those can quickly run out. How is this prevented or mitigated to a certain extent?
Negative Chat dialogue is simple and I know that there is already a system in place but, players will find a way to negatively insult someone that goes beyond a profanity filter or racial remarks. Is this being worked on?
Now, I understand that guilds want to be Number 1 and alliances will play a huge role in that. However, in BDO Console the same guilds have been in the Political Power spot since Launch and players have become sick of it and their politics. Even on PC. When one Guild or Alliance rules for too long with too much power and no one can topple them because they recruit all the strongest players it hinders other guilds growth. Now it's up to an individual to join a guild but, when other guilds are unable to surpass or challenge another for control due to all the strongest players being in one guild how can players seek to overcome this? Assuming any and all new strong players automatically go to join the strongest guild only. Hence Guild domination without challenge.
Gear locking is pretty simple. In BDO, gear is enhanced at a chance rate which is terrible and the bane of all BDO players' existence. This is why I love that gear in AOC is found and has rarity not enhancement-based. However, someone is bound to find the gear that becomes meta and players tend to be followers. Is exploration and gear variety really enough to ensure that players don't become gear locked limiting the player base to just one set that everyone wears? Making gear the PVP or PVE standard without change can lead to players seeking one set of gear that becomes too hard to give people a competitive advantage.
And, finally, PvP skill can always change and adapt, however, gear-wise BDO has this problem where one set gear is the standard and once you max it out you are essentially broken. which means even those with higher skill will die regardless of how close their gear may be to max. Full Pen is full Pen and your skill can be mediocre, but you'll win a majority of the time. Will Skill with a character be balanced to the point where someone with worse gear can kill or dominate someone with better gear? Or will someone with better gear always win out? Is PVP going to be gear-based or skill-based? Of course, it's supposed to be both but, hopefully, you see my point.
Let me know what you guys think bad or good and let me know of your concerns about PvP or Guild fights.
MMMm watching liger run server to server and hunting him down on every shard was amazing lmao. I highly doubt you are goin to have the mysterious npc in Ashes of creation that pings you where people are two different games. Things in BDO shouldn't be assumed to be in AoC as the base ref is more L2 and Archage not BDO.
You are bringing up another point on BDO since you want to run in circles for hours and not pvp. This is AoC not BDO you can't compare both the levels of pk, AoC has a much more dangerous karma system than BDO. PvP in BDO is about losing time not losing items or being set as red after one kill.
What are you talking about you respawn at full life in BDO....You are using weaker tears to get up on the spot instead of resurrecting at the respawn point. So you are trying to make a point of using a convenience item in the game and complaining the low tier version doesn't full heal you as you rez right where you died.
(this take is getting worse and worse im sensing a bad solo pve grinding BDO player when bdo pve is utter trash).
I don't think i can read much more of this....BDO with guilds are just going to have top players in their guilds so people can do content around that. There is very little reason to group in the game and do pve content together it is a very solo orientated game. No one really builds connections actively like other mmorpgs leaving certain guilds on top that have played for ages and have a huge gear gap on others. Drawing people to join with those guilds as there aren't really social elements. People just want to join the strongest guilds and will eventually leaver weaker guilds to do so. Those members of yours where you ran almost 0 content with wont have connections to want to stay with you. There are other reasons as well but im not going to detail all of them.
BDO is gear > Skill > Class. Like most mmorpgs gear does matter, though in BDO if you are skilled enough you can overcome certain degrees of people with more gear than you to an extent. Maybe more so than in most mmorpgs tbh, but the levels of gear in BDO get so high eventually you are fully gear checked in more so 1 on 1 or small fights. (groups less gear will show a lot more and you die to aoe)
So in all honestly you already have that in BDO but I see you are complaining still but im guessing you don't liek the high levels of gear you can't reach. AoC gear and your level will matter, but I don't expect there to be as big as a difference as BDO if you are of the same level. Though skill will matter less in AoC than BDO so gear will weight more heavily as an advantage.
Mag7spy
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Re: GvG/PvP Downsides and AOC's Solutions?
I will be discussing 6 topics particularly, Player/Guild Tracking, Spawn Killing, Negative Chat Dialogue, Guild Domination, Gear Locking, and PvP Skill/Gear Caps.
1. Player tracking: I see no issue with what you said. The tracker doesn't follow you around and it is an Open world PvP game. If you didn't know, now you know. You even have a combat flag, corruption mechanics, bounty mechanics and maybe even more as I am not up-to-date with the games development. Complaining about this anymore before the game is even released falls squarely in the snowflake category and is pretty telling that maybe the game isn't for those peeps.
2. Spawn killing is easily resolved if it ever becomes an issue. I don't know if it is possible or addressed at the moment in the game.
3. Tbh I don't get the need for a negative chat dialogue filter. No technology currently exists that can do this effectively. I mean how do you make a machine understand context? Its very simple to insult someone in a roundabout way than to create a filter for it. Better to know your enemies than getting backstabbed imo and why do you have be so sensitive as to be offended by text? Ignore and move on.
4. Guild/Alliance domination: This will definitely be a thing. I don't care for arguments against it until we can see how the game progresses 4-5 months after it is released. There can be 5 highest tier nodes and an alliance can have maximum 4 guilds each with 300 members maximum, afaik. So its very doable for 4 guilds to rule the entire world of Verra. The only reasonable obstacle I can see is the lack of fast travel which again can easily be worked around by hacking family summons. If you are gonna introduce a cheat, players will use it as a cheat.
5. Gear locking: Well the hundreds of different skill augments should take care of the diversity wrt gear/skill builds. There probably wont be a meta because some augments/gear will not be possible for everyone to get due to one reason or another. AoC is awesome like that.
6. PvP skill: Gear provides 50% of the players stats. So unless there are broken set bonuses, I don't see why a low geared highly skilled player wouldn't be able to overcome a better geared mid skilled players unless they are secretly low skilled as well. FYI, the game isn't balanced for 1v1s but rather group combat.
Sylvanar
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