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I Have a Beef - Re: Twitch Live Stream 5/24/17 - Kickstarter Mounts
During the livestream today Steven said that the mounts we purchased in our Kickstarter packages were going to be "skins" that replace a mount we get in the game. When I purchased my Kickstarter I went by the description: "Kickstarter Exclusive - Dawnbreaker Epic mount - Plus all previous rewards!!" which, to me, means this mount, along with mounts from the previous levels, will be available when I log into the game. It doesn't say it's going to be a skin that I apply to a mount I acquire at x level.
So by Steven's description, I would have to acquire (purchase or acquire as a quest reward) a number of mounts in order to apply these "skins". Or does that mean, I can apply whichever skin I'd like to the same mount every time I take it out? I think this needs clarification because I was under the assumption that we would receive each of these mounts at launch.
Unless he clarified later in the stream as I'm not done watching it yet.
So by Steven's description, I would have to acquire (purchase or acquire as a quest reward) a number of mounts in order to apply these "skins". Or does that mean, I can apply whichever skin I'd like to the same mount every time I take it out? I think this needs clarification because I was under the assumption that we would receive each of these mounts at launch.
Unless he clarified later in the stream as I'm not done watching it yet.
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First, i was also under the same impression.
Lets say they do give actual mounts. I dont think these mounts are p2w. So these mounts will be lvl 1 mounts.
But heres the thing, i think skins would be better because of mount breeding. If you use your ks mount, its definitely not going to have any advance bonus. You'll end up replacing them later with ingame bred mounts of higher quality.
But with skins, you can keep your ks mount cosmetics and pass them on.
So its not a bad idea imo.
But heres the thing, i think skins would be better because of mount breeding. If you use your ks mount, its definitely not going to have any advance bonus. You’ll end up replacing them later with ingame bred mounts of higher quality.
But with skins, you can keep your ks mount cosmetics and pass them on.
So its not a bad idea imo.
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I agree and would be totally fine with being able to apply the skin to whatever mounts we choose but I wonder if they will be one time use.
<blockquote><div class="d4p-bbp-quote-title"><a href="https://www.ashesofcreation.com/forums/topic/i-have-a-beef-re-twitch-live-stream-52417-kickstarter-mounts/#post-28578">Shirikuryu wrote:</a></div>
But heres the thing, i think skins would be better because of mount breeding. If you use your ks mount, its definitely not going to have any advance bonus. You’ll end up replacing them later with ingame bred mounts of higher quality.
But with skins, you can keep your ks mount cosmetics and pass them on.
So its not a bad idea imo.
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I agree and would be totally fine with being able to apply the skin to whatever mounts we choose but I wonder if they will be one time use.
Shirikuryu wrote:
"<em>But heres the thing, i think skins would be better because of mount breeding. If you use your ks mount, its definitely not going to have any advance bonus. You’ll end up replacing them later with ingame bred mounts of higher quality.
But with skins, you can keep your ks mount cosmetics and pass them on.
So its not a bad idea imo.</em>
I agree and would be totally fine with being able to apply the skin to whatever mounts we choose but I wonder if they will be one time use.
That being said, I'm honestly relieved that their skins, and not available at launch. The ability to travel quicker than non-pledge players, while not a HUGE advantage, would be an advantage, nontheless. The only way around that was, if EVERYONE got a mount at launch, just plain one's for non-pledgers.
I'm fine with having to explore on foot, and putting in the work, knowing that once mounts become available, I can make mine look distinctive, without worrying that my reward confers some sort of edge over others.
Glad that was cleared up, by Steven. Also, I'm guessing that the skins are "reusable".
The devs also said that we will be able to obtain mounts pretty quickly - because that's an important aspect of Animal Husbandry.
Technically, we receive the skins for the mounts as soon as we log in.
And, yes, the devs have been saying that the rewards would be cosmetic and not P2W.
(I dunno how that applies to water mounts, though. Perhaps that is also a skin.)
5/24 live stream at about 21:30
It was my understanding like everyone else that theses kickstarter exclusive mounts will be their own mounts! and not skins, However I can understand that they will be only skins because of a P2W concept. Like Nazareth said he didn't mention the "Dawn Breaker" Which if its just the horses I'm completely Fine with this!
Can I apply whichever skin I’d like to the same mount every time I take it out?
- I believe that's where they were going for yes! if not they are probably going make a lot of fans mad
I think the mount will have a cosmetic type system where if you have armor for the mount you would put that armor in that box on the mount and it will appear on the mount! So I assume you can take the armor off and put it on another mount and it will more likely be Account bound item!
He never mentioned the "Dawn Breaker" as a skin and I hope Not!
Reason Why is because they said Mounts that can glide will be extremely difficult and rare to find!
so if the "Dawn Breaker" is a skin I'm going to be a little Ticked off!!
functionality wise and "that kind of look" wise, liek other hybrids will be donkeys and stuff, jsut not that kind of moonstrider
Only the three horses were mentioned as skins.
As for the Dawn Breaker, and Moonstrider, my speculation would be that you won't get them out of the gate. They will either be unlocked as above, or a skin for a similar mount in terms of abilities. Not worried regardless.
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I agree. Though this is not a break/make point for me, I'm sure this is for many others. I don't like the way they are wording their rewards in their KS, and more transparent and clear messaging should be used to describe what you are getting for the pledge.
The main reason I pledge for braver of the world is for the lifetime sub. So personally, that would trump over mount skins, though I am a little disappointed on their approach for not being clear. Someone needs to bring this up to the devs to clarify before the KS is over.
I agree. Though this is not a break/make point for me, I'm sure this is for many others. I don't like the way they are wording their rewards in their KS, and more transparent and clear messaging should be used to describe what you are getting for the pledge.
The main reason I pledge for braver of the world is for the lifetime sub. So personally, that would trump over mount skins, though I am a little disappointed on their approach for not being clear. Someone needs to bring this up to the devs to clarify before the KS is over.
I agree. Though this is not a break/make point for me, I'm sure this is for many others. I don't like the way they are wording their rewards in their KS, and more transparent and clear messaging should be used to describe what you are getting for the pledge.
The main reason I pledge for braver of the world is for the lifetime sub. So personally, that would trump over mount skins, though I am a little disappointed on their approach for not being clear. Someone needs to bring this up to the devs to clarify before the KS is over. Who knows what else is worded poorly... I also want to know about the moonstrider since it's a mix between a mount/mule, are they gonna say this is a skin too?
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Why would anyone do that though? It's such a gimmicky way and more complicated to do so. Just have kickstarter exclusives as Account based items that can be applied to multiple characters like ESO's system. Same with dyes, why would we have Exclusive dyes and mounts that we get for putting faith and trust into a game only to find out that they expire anyway? That's not much thanks for the ones who put a lot of money and faith into a company expecting to at least have a cool show off items that no-where in the kickstarter does it say this. It just says exclusive so it should be permanently to the player.
I understanding they don't want any play to win, and that you will probably be able to obtain a mount around level 5 (as stated in the stream) but as with the dyes you get on KS they are one time use, and will these skins also be one time use? or will we be able to use the skins on any and all horse mounts we obtain? will we be able to pass these skins on to alts?
And the Moonstrider and Dawnbreaker - I now want more clarification on these mounts as well.
Sorry if the KS was not clear enough on this, I will have an FAQ updated to reflect the appropriate information.
To clarify for everyone here;
The mounts in the KS package are skins that can be applied to mounts that you attain or breed in game. We did this so that you could reapply the skin to new mounts you may obtain as you progress in the game. In addition it removes the p2w component of "buying" a mount off the bat.
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Sorry if the KS was not clear enough on this, I will have an FAQ updated to reflect the appropriate information.
To clarify for everyone here;
The mounts in the KS package are skins that can be applied to mounts that you attain or breed in game. We did this so that you could reapply the skin to new mounts you may obtain as you progress in the game. In addition it removes the p2w component of “buying” a mount off the bat.
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@Steven
Does this apply to the Tidsnapper water exclusive mount? And Also the Dawnstrider mount? How will we "reskin" to obtain these if they are not actual mounts that are supposed to be kickstarter exclusive?
And could your team reconsider this? It is a big suprise to everyone. It would be better to have it account based if you are dead set on Skins, amd
having it being able to be applied to every character. This is in NO way p2w.
Most people assumed due to the wording on kickstarter that every backer actually receives the mounts promised to them. No where on any package does it state that it is a skin and that we won't be able to actually access our mounts.
Does this apply to the Tidsnapper water exclusive mount? And Also the Dawnstrider mount? How will we "reskin" to obtain these if they are not actual mounts that are supposed to be kickstarter exclusive?
And could your team reconsider this? It is a big suprise to everyone. It would be better to have it account based if you are dead set on Skins, and
having it being able to be applied to every character. This is in NO way p2w.
Most people assumed due to the wording on kickstarter that every backer actually receives the mounts promised to them. No where on any package does it state that it is a skin and that we won't be able to actually access our mounts.
@Intrepid Studios
Please reconsider How these backer Mounts and Backer exclusive Dyes work.
I suggest that if you really only want the "exclusive mounts" to be only skins and not actual mounts (as is stated on the kickstarter) then please update your Kickstarter packages to
reflect so as to not Mislead others.
As for the dyes themselves please do not make them "one time use only" these dyes are kickstarter exclusive and should be able to go with the players who have been here from the start. They should be for a players account wide and be re-appliable to different characters. It's just a dye why would you limit a cosmetic like that?
For mounts They should also be account wide, if they are only going to be "skins" why would limiting our characters creativity be a feature?