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I never mentioned anything about filling the suit of armor with water lol wtf..
If a mage makes a big pool of water on an enemy, your character is going to struggle to swim out of it with a full suit of amor. - You and me will test this. We'll go to the swimming pool and I'll wear a bikini and you wear full metal, we'll dive in at the same time and see who gets to the other side the quickest.. My prediction, you won't. - Do you understand now?
It was a comment on "functionality" nowhere did he limit it to melee combat. And even if he did, by that logic, you're saying to remove all cloth and light armor because it's functionality isn't as good as full plate.
Just stop lol
Point I was making was, if I can choose to become whatever gender I want to be, and I can demand that everyone recognizes it as reality, then I can do the same with my race, gender, and any other situation I deem necessary in order to benefit myself. I know how ridiculous it sounds that a person could be so removed from reality that they choose to be a different race, but how is it any different than believing you are a different gender than the gender you were born.
When I mentioned SJW's, I thought I made it pretty clear the ones I was referring to. I totally believe in equality, but not at the expense of everyones' or anyones' rights. The SJW's I was referring to are the ones that would take away freedom and rights in the name of equality. Like the large group marching for equality, but chanting for police to be killed. Or the transgender man that threatened to cause Ben Shapiro to have to be taken home in an ambulance because Shapiro called him "Sir." Threatening violence because someone will not adopt your view of your gender identity is not only unacceptable, it is against the law.
If you mean have all armors wearable by any gender or race... I'm all for it.
In WoW, I typically have my Trolls and Forsaken dress in Tauren outfits and have Tauren dress in Troll or Forsaken outfits.
Tolkien fantasy has been a bit too focused on Western visions of costumes - specifically too focused on medieval European costumes and armor.
Many other cultures we can draw from where people, even today, are not relying on metal for armor or leather for armor - some that are not even relying on cloth for armor.
There are cultures where both the males and females wear skirts. There are cultures where both males and females wear thongs.
There are cultures in real life where warriors rely solely on warpaint as magical protection.
I hope we see options that run the gamut - where plate and chain and leather and cloth armor fully covers the body - and where plate and chain and leather and cloth scantily covers the body. For both males and females.
I hope some of that is racial/cultural.
I hope some of that ends up being regional/seasonal.
Especially where the game design already has some climate affecting elemental spells.
Wasn't so long ago that it was slutty for women in Western society to show their ankles or show the backs of their necks in public.
But, that's all cultural judgment.
Ashes has a wide variety of cultures - the Niküa appear to be Polynesian.
In a world of high magic, bikini armor, jewelry armor, war-paint armor, tattoo armor - should all be as viable as plate armor.
All depends on the enchantments.
Maybe that's the misconception we should fight here?
the nonsense of "light" and "medium" armor
Simple put, Clothing and Leather is not Armor. There isn't even historical proof of something like leather armor. Leather was used to hold the actual armor together but offers no real protective value. For Armor made out of clothing.... well that actually exists in the form of the gambeson or aketon. But not that above
Now if we go for game mechanics things are a bit different. But i for once would love if "Armor" that's simply clothing and leather doesn't offer any protection(but still has other stats). Real light armor would be only a breastplate, hauberk, brigantine or similar added to the clothing. Medium adding to that also leg and hand protection, and Heavy is the full suit.
And looking at the Predator. Most of his stuff is just Leather and clothing. Should add no Protection. But it seems he has kind of a breastplate. Now it depends of the material. If its metal i could say thats a Light Armor set, which is fitting for a roguish character. If it's only leather it shouldn't be considered Armor, but simply clothing. Would still fit the roguish character. And before those people come arguing "but its magic!". If magic provides all the time such good protection, why bother wearing heavy armor in the first place? There needs to be some logic in the world creation or it will just feel porley created.
Dwarve: Oh yes we dwarves have mastered every craftsmanship and will tailor the finest armor for you!
Half naked Elf runs into the battle with its huge twohander
Elf: Armor? my Bikini of partial nudity grants me a bigger armor bonus then any heavy armor.... because Magic!
Ashes is not historical fiction.
Ashes is high fantasy.
The images I posted are armor sets. They aren't simply clothing.
It may very well be that the protection of a Niküa grass armor set is greater than that of a Dünir metal/plate armor set.
All depends on the power of the specific enchantments.
It doesn't make sense that heavy armor exists if people can fight in a wedding dress with the same protective value.
also high fantasy =/= comically over the top nonsense
Even in real life, armor runs the gamut from full plate mail to warpaint only.
The different types exist because of culture and climate and regional resources.
But, in a high fantasy setting, magic is real.
Whether a wedding dress offers more protection than a set of armor will depend on the strength of the specific enchantments on the specific dress and set of armor.
(I need a thumbs-up emoji)
we can only wait and see
Tolkien was way too European-centric. To put it nicely.
Now that's settled, on to the answers:
1. wether you wear a bikini or an armour your own body is conductive, so it's pretty pointless. You die in both cases.
2. why would I be so stupid to create a pool of water around a person who would be able to swim out? I'd simply do something else. Thus your point is pointless. Again. If I, as a mage, could control water, I'd simply summon a couple liters and force them up your nose into your lungs. You drown, bikini or not.
3. Functionality as far ar armour is concerned is connected to protection. You can view it in many ways, full plate can be cumbersome but is very sturdy, cloth does not actually protect from anything but you can move at your own natural speed without training, leather protects from minor wounds, blunt weapons hits and arrow shots and does not encumber much, thus leaving some moving capabilities (I am referring to gambesons which, @Enrif , it "is" proved to have been used as armour in itself, by iconography in particular and by archaeology). You can argue that moving quickly, thus dodging projectiles, is part of the functionality of your armour, so yes, cloth and leather armour can be functional, in their own way.
Plus he made an argument about a battle axe, you jumped to explain that lightning wouldn't work, which is like answering "its 7 o'clock" to someone that asks you "where are you from?".
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It will eventually come down to wether they will deem magic capable of being a reason in itself. Tolkien did not use that argument, I wouldn't have either, but that's the author choice so I guess that's up to the devs.
Surely this topic was interesting enough to show different points of view.
Geeze, this subject has been beaten more than a dead horse.
Yeah... I can't even anymore
i know of gambesons, i mentioned them and i also own one myself
And Gambesons are not Leather Armor. they are quilted linen or wool, so would count as cloth armor. But the thing about gambesons is, they are thick and densely layered.
Then no proof at all? I hardly think that people could be all able to afford metal armour outside of statal systems like the roman empire, which provided soldiers with it.
Besides pressed cloth, surely hardened leather should have been used, maybe not as depicted in movies and games but...
Lol, does that negate what I just wrote?
No, in all seriousness, I get what you're saying, but I still do hold that I, personally, will find thing more immersive if I'm not being pelted with kitty-cat hats, hoodies, so on and so forth which are a part of our irl world, but not necessarily a part of high-fantasy worlds.
Not sure there are more women than men in this forum, but there is a higher preponderance of us in these forums than in other games' forums; perhaps because we're drawn here for similar reasons? Having come up through the gaming life as it was being built from the ground up, I can say with certainty that while gaming has been predominated by men, there have actually always been a lot of us females active, as well. Now, here, I think all of us females feel more comfortable giving ourselves the freedom to let our voices be heard.