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No factions... who do we fight?

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    Dang man, if you want me to go into it, we'll be here all night.
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    Dang man, if you want me to go into it, we'll be here all night.
    Lol I just like to pick on people =P

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    Pick away, I can take it and dish it back.  :D
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    It will be like Eve:Online and ESO had a little baby. There will be spies, there will be elves, there will be backstabbing, there will be magic and swords flying......and it will be glorious. 
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    ToKev said:
    It will be like Eve:Online and ESO had a little baby. There will be spies, there will be elves, there will be backstabbing, there will be magic and swords flying......and it will be glorious. 
    I officially want a "throw sword" hotkey now.
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    Bannith said:
    Fight everyone, it'll be one giant fight club, but just remember the first rule of Fight Club.
    Doesn't that mean you already failed?
    /sigh.....  yes, I'm a failure....
    Join the club. We have T-shirts!!!!
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    whoever pisses on your fence, or mocks your shrubbery.
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    ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited June 2017
    Bannith said:
    ToKev said:
    It will be like Eve:Online and ESO had a little baby. There will be spies, there will be elves, there will be backstabbing, there will be magic and swords flying......and it will be glorious. 
    I officially want a "throw sword" hotkey now.
    We need more swords for this man, cheep throwaway ones if you can
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    Player-made factions.
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    Look at it this way, the real world, we have 1 faction, and multiple races, they all get along or they hate each other. 

    We dont have factions but we have countries, think of that as the node system. Each Zone of influence is like a country, everything you do in the area helps build it up and build the economy, the node itself is like the capital city. 

    In the real world there is war, there is murder, i imagine this is how the system of the game is designed, their own world with some of their own rules in play based off of real life systems. 

    Nodes and guilds will play a huge part of pvp in this game. Along with PKing, (player killing.) Guilds will also have influence over a node, say that guild starts to develop drama, and splits in two, the people that split from the original guild can then take revenge and attempt to take out the node and the guild castle.

    I know personally i would like some instanced battlegrounds, not a ton but maybe a 10v10 20v20 and a 30v30 something along those lines. 


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    The living. its that simple 
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    Factions aren't here(in other games) to limit you, they are here, so players can easily PvP.
    You know casuals(and most of the players) not going to spend time into making up groups to attack other groups, so it's easier if they system makes a groups instead of them.
    While player driven factions sounds good in theory, in reality, most players aren't interested in politics, or group management(and stuff like that), so it only result in less PvP in overall.

    Best would be some factions as default, with the option to leave it(be mercenary) or go to the other(become traitor). This way both the casuals could PvP and the hardcore ones could build their own kingdoms.
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    @Salavon
    Sooo...you think the word faction was first coined for video games???
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    ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited June 2017
    Look M8, if you want an accurate idea of what ... "Factions" are ... just go Watch 1st Episode of

    .Hack//Roots Anime Series
    despite how " Cryptic " it may seem , you'll get the idea  :p
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    MADE said:
    Factions aren't here(in other games) to limit you, they are here, so players can easily PvP.
    You know casuals(and most of the players) not going to spend time into making up groups to attack other groups, so it's easier if they system makes a groups instead of them.

    Most of the theme park MMO players aren't interested in non-faction, player driven conflict, you're right.  However, Ashes really isn't aimed at that demographic.
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    its a free for all 
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    if it is indeed open world PvP, can me and my guild go to another node and slaughter people in the streets? (will this anger guards and NPCs, are they killable?)

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    Possum said:
    MADE said:
    Factions aren't here(in other games) to limit you, they are here, so players can easily PvP.
    You know casuals(and most of the players) not going to spend time into making up groups to attack other groups, so it's easier if they system makes a groups instead of them.

    Most of the theme park MMO players aren't interested in non-faction, player driven conflict, you're right.  However, Ashes really isn't aimed at that demographic.

    The problem is that the "demographic" that you speak of is like less than 5% of the total potential players.
    While I like complex games, you should expect low player count in PvP activities with that design.

    The thing that you need to do politic in order to PvP already heavily reduce the potential PvP players.
    But that's not enough, the potential loses of the PvP (xp/item) also heavily deter players from PvP, not to mention that if you want real FFA PvP then you are punished for it.

    You see? There are no faction so you can freely PvP, yet you are punished if you kill someone who doesn't want it. dfq?
    IMAO even having two factions would be better than this. That way I could kill 50% of the players freely without any punishment....

    The future aren't too bright:
    Most player will going to avoid PvP with their main to avoid loses.
    The ones who will PvP will hunt in packs, so 1 vs many others to prevent dying.
    Most player will be "pls no PvP me" flagged, so corruption guaranteed
    Stat lose for FFA kills? yes please...
    PK alts and friends/second acc to kill you to "safely" get rid of corruption?
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    I think you don't understand Meaningful Conflict and how that integrates with Nodes in order to encourage PvP combat.

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    Our greatest fight is within ourselves 
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    Bannith said:
    ToKev said:
    It will be like Eve:Online and ESO had a little baby. There will be spies, there will be elves, there will be backstabbing, there will be magic and swords flying......and it will be glorious. 
    I officially want a "throw sword" hotkey now.
    We need more swords for this man, cheep throwaway ones if you can
    Do it. I'ma be a smith sure but I do quality arms who wants to make my throw at face swords?

    I found this while looking for swords:

    My vote is for the sword with a gun... but that's just me.
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    You probably haven't played a pvp game where there is no factions? Simply you and another guild both want something or the other is preventing you from something is an easy way for a fight. You don't need nodes either. animosity with guilds will be in game without factions or nodes
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    The joy of having no factions, is that players get to create the factions within their own node or guild. This means, as they were hoping, each server will have its own story and tale. The experiences among the players will never be the same and it also shows that if you don't like the general community of one server-- you could go to another; Or learn to adapt.

    The fun part is going to be if people will also be willing to write down the history of their server, such as documentations of events, because really-- that is what Ashes is doing-- is allowing us to become the masters of our own "worlds". For better.. Or for worse.

    Because while some may desire to play "nice", you will always have those out there to do "wrong"-- and it all comes down to how the community decides to handle it. Like myself as an example? I tend to always be a nice person, until you do something to strike my ire-- and I may not kill you to get back at you-- as I can think of far worse things to strike vengeance... and that-- is what could happen in Ashes.

    You could upset someone and instead of striking back in PK, they may decide to create an alt, infilitrate your Guild-- and slowly, over years, bring you down to nothing. The other option is place a hard strike on you, where you can never obtain any new gear or weaponry.

    It is going to be fun to watch in the end though, how this all plays out.
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    Thanks for the input guys looking forward to it
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    Well there is kittens vs puppies as the closest thing to factions in Ashes but specific to backers.
    It was a novelty forum thread suggestion i made early in the campaign, so feel free to add emphasis to the suggestion.
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    @gguirola

    hey did you actually watch "that" episode i mentioned eariler ? was just curious  :p
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    ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited June 2017
    gguirola said:
    I understand that there are not going to be factions just races and I understand that it is going to be open pvp world meaning that you can turn on/off pvp mode. Does that mean that as an elf I can kill another elf? or is it going to be based on node controls and defending your node? 
    It means that:
    • If another player is mining on your spot, and you don't want to look for another spot.. you can kill him and claim your spot.
    • If another guild is doing content and doesn't want to invite/share loot... you can fight them and claim the loot
    • If you don't really have anything to do and see other players... you can fight them just for fun/practise
    • If another player claims to be stronger then you.. you can prove him wrong for the better sake
    • If another guild is claiming to be more organised and better in PVP... you can prove them wrong, because your guild is #1
    • If other guilds are working on a node, and it's not the node you want them to work on... you can fight them and demolish the node (will take time tho)

    <3
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    Bannith said:

    I found this while looking for swords:

    My vote is for the sword with a gun... but that's just me.

    My money is on God with a Sun.
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    Cyreph said:
    Bannith said:

    I found this while looking for swords:

    My vote is for the sword with a gun... but that's just me.

    My money is on God with a Sun.
    So, @Solarion ?
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    Zlade said:
    Our greatest fight is within ourselves 
    The sound from my bowels would agree with you. *burps*
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